Beatles 'brought down Communism'

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King Elvis

Grendelbruch, France

#1 May 19, 2009
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1028...

One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest director Milos Forman says in the programme: "It sounds ridiculous but it's not. I'm convinced the Beatles are partly responsible for the fall of Communism."

Canadian-based academic Dr Yury Pelyoshonok, who grew up in the USSR in the 1960s, backs up his claim.

"The Beatles had this tremendous impact on Soviet kids. The Soviet authorities thought of The Beatles as a secret Cold War weapon," he says.

"The kids lost their interest in all Soviet unshakeable dogmas and ideals, and stopped thinking of an English-speaking person as an enemy.

"That's when the Communists lost two generations of young people. That was an incredible impact."

http://www.fixingahole.org/essays/the-beatles...

Mikhail Gorbachev was the last General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the last head of state of the USSR, serving from 1985 until its collapse in 1991.

He said, "more than any ideology, more than any religion, more than Vietnam or any war or nuclear bomb, the single most important reason for the diffusion of the Cold War was...the Beatles."

Mr. Gorbachev went on to say the Beatle's influence on himself and others in Russia at the time can never be overestimated. The cultural, social and musical revolution they inspired manifested itself years down the track and when the old guard was fading, Gorbachev and others of his ilk were ready to transform their country and probably save the planet.

http://www.quoteland.com/topic.asp...

Artemy Troitsky:

"The Beatles, Paul, John, George and Ringo have done more for the fall of Communism than any other western institution."

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE???...The Beatles were prohibited during their career - 1962 1970 - in Communism country!!!

And all this people lived in Communist country

And all this people are outside the music industry...

And all this people are considered as serious people...It's impossible to be more serious than all this people.

And among all this people, there is Mikhail Gorbachev!...not only the last head of state of the USSR, but also one of the most important man in the history of twentieth century!

It's absolutely unreal!

Your opinion?

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Zack Zippy

Renton, WA

#2 May 19, 2009
Those hard headed Russians didn't know what they were missing until the youth started digging the Beatles and less interest in Russia's harsh political communist crap.Red Square that had McCartney several years ago was amazing to watch and listen to comments made by the citizens and what they paid on the black market for a Beatle 45 record or an album would cost a months wages back then.Poor deprived Russian teenagers.I'm glad that Putin allowed Paul to play at Red Square it was when he was still married to Mucca.I taped it off the T.V.
Greg

Athens, Greece

#3 May 20, 2009
It's simple:People got tired of the oppressing state. Nationalistic parties and extreme left parties are the same thing. Politics it's another thing that "separate men". The Beatles were a serious reason that made this need imperative(and Rock and Roll Music in general). I don't think however that they brought down Communism. You see, they weren't the reason for everything. There are more reasons behind the fall of Communism, and this subject(I mean the other reasons) doesn't belong to this Forum. "Having no ideology as ideology". Greg.
Aunt Melba

Wantirna South, Australia

#4 May 20, 2009
Zack Zippy wrote:
Those hard headed Russians didn't know what they were missing until the youth started digging the Beatles and less interest in Russia's harsh political communist crap.Red Square that had McCartney several years ago was amazing to watch and listen to comments made by the citizens and what they paid on the black market for a Beatle 45 record or an album would cost a months wages back then.Poor deprived Russian teenagers.I'm glad that Putin allowed Paul to play at Red Square it was when he was still married to Mucca.I taped it off the T.V.
I bought the DVD, it has a little booklet with some quotes about the event - President Putin...
"It was like a gulp of freedom.Your music was like an open window to the world."
-Artemy Trotsky......
"The Beatles Paul, John, George and Ringo, have done more for the fall of communism than any other western institution."...
The audience showed much emotion, they had been waiting forever for the experience.
Zack Zippy

Renton, WA

#5 May 20, 2009
Aunt Melba wrote:
<quoted text>
I bought the DVD, it has a little booklet with some quotes about the event - President Putin...
"It was like a gulp of freedom.Your music was like an open window to the world."
-Artemy Trotsky......
"The Beatles Paul, John, George and Ringo, have done more for the fall of communism than any other western institution."...
The audience showed much emotion, they had been waiting forever for the experience.
Yea the same thing when he played Tel-Aviv Israel the people had been waiting for years to see Paul perform in their ass backward country.
King Elvis

Grendelbruch, France

#6 May 20, 2009
Greg wrote:
It's simple:People got tired of the oppressing state. Nationalistic parties and extreme left parties are the same thing. Politics it's another thing that "separate men". The Beatles were a serious reason that made this need imperative(and Rock and Roll Music in general). I don't think however that they brought down Communism. You see, they weren't the reason for everything. There are more reasons behind the fall of Communism, and this subject(I mean the other reasons) doesn't belong to this Forum. "Having no ideology as ideology". Greg.
Yes, there is several reasons concerning the fall of Communism...But have you seen who talk about the Beatles?... It's Mikhail Gorbachev, Dr Yury Pelyoshonok Canadian-based academic who grew up in the USSR in the 1960s, Artemy Troitsky, Milos Forman....And all this people lived in Communist country...They have arguments...

Do you lived in Communist country between 1963-1970 for saying "There are more reasons behind the fall of Communism"?

Because if you say "There are more reasons behind the fall of Communism",...so you consider that the opinion of Mikhail Gorbachev, Dr Yury Pelyoshonok, Artemy Troitsky, Milos Forman...are bad

Please, can you give me your arguments?
Zack Zippy

Renton, WA

#7 May 20, 2009
King Elvis wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, there is several reasons concerning the fall of Communism...But have you seen who talk about the Beatles?... It's Mikhail Gorbachev, Dr Yury Pelyoshonok Canadian-based academic who grew up in the USSR in the 1960s, Artemy Troitsky, Milos Forman....And all this people lived in Communist country...They have arguments...
Do you lived in Communist country between 1963-1970 for saying "There are more reasons behind the fall of Communism"?
Because if you say "There are more reasons behind the fall of Communism",...so you consider that the opinion of Mikhail Gorbachev, Dr Yury Pelyoshonok, Artemy Troitsky, Milos Forman...are bad
Please, can you give me your arguments?
It's agreed that the Beatles changed how some people think and felt but lets get off this communism topic and talk about the positive impact the Beatles had in peoples lives.I agree that communism isn't a pleasant way of life or to live in a communist country but I'd rather discuss what their music means to me and why I still listen to it today.A little added humor is always good also.King Elvis how about it? You know a lot about the Beatles what is your favorite song or which one was your favorite Beatle and why?
King Elvis

Grendelbruch, France

#8 May 21, 2009
Like Greg said : "Having no ideology as ideology"...it's a fantastic sentence.
You said: "I agree that communism isn't a pleasant way of life or to live in a communist country but I'd rather discuss what their music means to me and why I still listen to it today"

Excuse me but i open this topic not for discuss the communism, but the impact of the Beatles in communist country...but it's true the title of this topic -"Beatles 'brought down Communism'" - is stupid...But please it's not my title, it's the title of
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1028...

I think another title would be more accurate, like for example Milos Forman said:
"I'm convinced the Beatles are partly responsible for the fall of Communism."
Greg

Athens, Greece

#9 May 21, 2009
My dear King Elvis, I am not claiming that my opinion is more close to reality than of those great people you referred to. Not at all. More reasons? First of all, I think that Russian people wanted to be free. They were watching how the youth of the western countries was living, having the right to speak their minds or do free sex or whatever(And the Beatles played their role into this). Another reason was the financial reason. Russia is a big market, that state was oppressing the freedom of the goods to be transported out. I see you have a restless mind and I like that. Are you a student or something? Keep posting if you please. Oh, by the way don't misjudge me. I hadn't lived in a Communist country nor I know everything. I am just speaking my mind, I'm opened to new views and I'm not considering mine as the best.
popperz

Maple, Canada

#10 May 21, 2009
I have a question, does anybody know what years The Beatles were heaviest in drugs? I know when they first starting experimenting, but when was their peek? Was it around the time of Magical Mystery Tour or even later? I just watched Let It Be and they don't seem to be on drugs (atleast nothing too intense lol).
Greg

Athens, Greece

#11 May 21, 2009
popperz wrote:
I have a question, does anybody know what years The Beatles were heaviest in drugs? I know when they first starting experimenting, but when was their peek? Was it around the time of Magical Mystery Tour or even later? I just watched Let It Be and they don't seem to be on drugs (atleast nothing too intense lol).
When will be your peak? Let us know, by posting a "heavier" post than this.
popperz

Maple, Canada

#12 May 21, 2009
Haha okay, I am asking I question? I love The Beatles and had a serious question? I am sorry I dont care about whether they were behind the fall of Communism or not because I promise you that was not on their minds either. It is no doubt The Beatles went through drug stages and even became addicts. I am not trying to bring them down because they are my idols, but I want to determine when drugs were their greatest influence and compare their changes in music. If you aren't going to answer my question, don't waste my time being a smart ass!
popperz

Maple, Canada

#13 May 21, 2009
Don't try and make them who they weren't. They were clearly for peace, but it was their music and drug use that made them and a lot of other bands in the 60s who they were!

awc

“Pepperland”

Since: Dec 06

Pepperland

#14 May 21, 2009
As far as drugs, there were different drug stages, Preludin,Marijuana,Cocaine,Her oin,LSD.

Each Beatle took Preludin in Germany from 1960-1961.
Each Beatle Smoked weed from 1964-?(thanks to Bob Dylan).
Their LSD period was from 1966-1967.
John and Yoko were using Cocaine and Heroin from 1968-?
During Let it be, I would say alcohol and weed for Paul,George and Ringo.
For John, Heroin and Coke.

That's my opinion from what I've read and heard.

awc

“Pepperland”

Since: Dec 06

Pepperland

#15 May 21, 2009
During Help they were smoking weed quite a bit,but it never got in the way of their great music.
They all used many drugs,but unlike many other artists yesterday and today, it never ruined their art, they took drugs,but drugs never took them.
JMO.
Zack Zippy

Renton, WA

#16 May 21, 2009
King Elvis wrote:
Like Greg said : "Having no ideology as ideology"...it's a fantastic sentence.
You said: "I agree that communism isn't a pleasant way of life or to live in a communist country but I'd rather discuss what their music means to me and why I still listen to it today"
Excuse me but i open this topic not for discuss the communism, but the impact of the Beatles in communist country...but it's true the title of this topic -"Beatles 'brought down Communism'" - is stupid...But please it's not my title, it's the title of
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1028...
I think another title would be more accurate, like for example Milos Forman said:
"I'm convinced the Beatles are partly responsible for the fall of Communism."
Yes I realize it wasn't your title.They helped somewhat I'm sure.At any rate their impact was positive and huge.All over the World.
Zack Zippy

Renton, WA

#17 May 21, 2009
popperz wrote:
I have a question, does anybody know what years The Beatles were heaviest in drugs? I know when they first starting experimenting, but when was their peek? Was it around the time of Magical Mystery Tour or even later? I just watched Let It Be and they don't seem to be on drugs (atleast nothing too intense lol).
I think maybe during Sargent Pepper or Revolver they took acid and smoked weed but they weren't wigged out in the studio.Out of respect for Sir George Martin and also they worked hard when in the studio also they respected Brian Epstien when he managed them.
King Elvis

Grendelbruch, France

#18 May 21, 2009
Greg wrote:
My dear King Elvis, I am not claiming that my opinion is more close to reality than of those great people you referred to. Not at all. More reasons? First of all, I think that Russian people wanted to be free. They were watching how the youth of the western countries was living, having the right to speak their minds or do free sex or whatever(And the Beatles played their role into this). Another reason was the financial reason. Russia is a big market, that state was oppressing the freedom of the goods to be transported out. I see you have a restless mind and I like that. Are you a student or something? Keep posting if you please. Oh, by the way don't misjudge me. I hadn't lived in a Communist country nor I know everything. I am just speaking my mind, I'm opened to new views and I'm not considering mine as the best.
It's a very difficult subject...And tonight I did not want to talk about (I'm tired, it's 00:18 A.M in France)
Another day ... but thank you for your reply
King Elvis

Grendelbruch, France

#19 May 21, 2009
awc wrote:
As far as drugs, there were different drug stages, Preludin,Marijuana,Cocaine,Her oin,LSD.
Each Beatle took Preludin in Germany from 1960-1961.
Each Beatle Smoked weed from 1964-?(thanks to Bob Dylan).
Their LSD period was from 1966-1967.
John and Yoko were using Cocaine and Heroin from 1968-?
During Let it be, I would say alcohol and weed for Paul,George and Ringo.
For John, Heroin and Coke.
That's my opinion from what I've read and heard.
I talk about only between 1962-1970, ok?...I don't know the Beatles after 1970
When I see the Beatles (photo, dvd), I do not see junkie...Marijuana this is nothing...Cocaine...The four Beatles?...A lot?...I can't believe...Lsd?...The first two were George and John in 1965, if i remember(dvd anthology)...And Ringo? And Paul?...Seriously,i can't believe that they have consumed tons of Lsd...If you eat tons of LSD, you can't be active, no?(I don't know lsd)...George stopped in 1967, no?(dvd anthology)...Heroin?...John yes, but the other three?...Concerning John, heroin with syringe?...I read that he did not use syringe...You confirm?

awc

“Pepperland”

Since: Dec 06

Pepperland

#20 May 21, 2009
King Elvis wrote:
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I talk about only between 1962-1970, ok?...I don't know the Beatles after 1970
When I see the Beatles (photo, dvd), I do not see junkie...Marijuana this is nothing...Cocaine...The four Beatles?...A lot?...I can't believe...Lsd?...The first two were George and John in 1965, if i remember(dvd anthology)...And Ringo? And Paul?...Seriously,i can't believe that they have consumed tons of Lsd...If you eat tons of LSD, you can't be active, no?(I don't know lsd)...George stopped in 1967, no?(dvd anthology)...Heroin?...John yes, but the other three?...Concerning John, heroin with syringe?...I read that he did not use syringe...You confirm?
Paul and Ringo tried LSD, but not very long, but it was George and John who tried it more but quit in 1967.
As far as marijuana, they all four smoked tons of it,even into their solo years,but weed is nothing like coke and heroin.
John and Yoko were junkies,that's what Cold Turkey was about.
I don't beleive George,Paul or Ringo did coke or heroin very much or at all.
But John and Yoko continued using heroin during the 70's, the doctor said "If you want baby, stop heroin and Cocaine".

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