The Beatles Are Overrated

[Landsis]

Peso wrote:

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"You've got to hide your love away", that´s right, that´s one of Lennon´s "Dylan songs" but I´m A loser" is too. I don´t remember which one come first.
And Norwegian wood is another. Dylan parodied Lennon´s Norwegian Wood with 4th Time Around. 4th Time Around was Dylan doing Lennon doing Dylan.

You have no balance in what you are saying. The Beatles were influenced by Dylan but it was the other way around to.
Robert Zimmerman, a musician who was influenced and later influenced The Beatles once said:“Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid...I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."
She's A Woman was a direct influence on Bob Dylan's song "Obviously 5 Believers" which appeared on his 1966 album Blonde On Blonde. Bob Dylan "Just Like A Woman" was his answer to The Beatles "Girl".

[Landsis]

Peso wrote:

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Artists like The Beach Boys or Zappa had done entire albums of art-rock-pop a full year before a song like A Day in The Life (More of a George Martin´s creation anyway)
Eleanor Rigby is just a melancholy pop song.

That's right let's forget that Rubber Soul was an influence on Brian Wilson and that Brian Wilson was in tears when he heard "Strawberry Fields Forever". The Beatles were much more diverse than The Beach Boys. The Beatles were building upon many varied traditions, evoking the British Musical Hall and vaudeville, nineteenth-century parlor songs, 1960s rock, East Indian classical music, electronically produced sound collage, selective orchestration, aleatory (or chance) procedures, and musique concrète.

Zappa Art-Rock-Pop more like derivative of Varese.

[Bubba]

Landsis wrote:

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That's right let's forget that Rubber Soul was an influence on Brian Wilson and that Brian Wilson was in tears when he heard "Strawberry Fields Forever". The Beatles were much more diverse than The Beach Boys. The Beatles were building upon many varied traditions, evoking the British Musical Hall and vaudeville, nineteenth-century parlor songs, 1960s rock, East Indian classical music, electronically produced sound collage, selective orchestration, aleatory (or chance) procedures, and musique concrète.
Zappa Art-Rock-Pop more like derivative of Varese.

You hit the nail on the head and your knowledge of the Beatles is great.

[Peso]

Landsis wrote:

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That's right let's forget that Rubber Soul was an influence on Brian Wilson and that Brian Wilson was in tears when he heard "Strawberry Fields Forever". The Beatles were much more diverse than The Beach Boys. The Beatles were building upon many varied traditions, evoking the British Musical Hall and vaudeville, nineteenth-century parlor songs, 1960s rock, East Indian classical music, electronically produced sound collage, selective orchestration, aleatory (or chance) procedures, and musique concrète.
Zappa Art-Rock-Pop more like derivative of Varese.

Yeah, and Pet Sounds is Paul mc Cartney´s favorite album and he also was in tears when he heard God Only Knows. So what?

The Beatles maybe are diverse on The White Album. But you know The Beach Boys discography? From Pet Sounds onwards they are pretty diverse and interesting. Wild Honey, Sunflower, Surf´s up.

Yeah, It´s well known that Zappa was influenced by Varese, Boullez, Bartok, Stockhausen and avant-garde composers like that.

But I was talking about rock music here. Art-ROCK.

The Beatles didn´t pioneer anything in rock, they took things from underground rock artists and made them popular.

[Peso]

Pet Sounds is greater and more complex musically than any Beatles album. Anybody with a trained ear would know that.

Rubber Soul was just a colection of simple folk-pop songs.

Pet Sounds is like a pop symphony. The Beatles wished they´d be as talented as a composer like Brian Wilson.

[Peso]

Landsis wrote:

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You have no balance in what you are saying. The Beatles were influenced by Dylan but it was the other way around to.
Robert Zimmerman, a musician who was influenced and later influenced The Beatles once said:“Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid...I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."
She's A Woman was a direct influence on Bob Dylan's song "Obviously 5 Believers" which appeared on his 1966 album Blonde On Blonde. Bob Dylan "Just Like A Woman" was his answer to The Beatles "Girl".

The big difference is that The Dylan influence on The Beatles is DIRECT. They became huge fans after they saw him on tour. Lennon himself call some of his songs as his "Dylan-Period"

Beatles influence on Dylan...The song "I want you" on Blonde on Blonde is the only beatlesque dylan song I can think about...

"Just like a woman" doesn´t seem beatlesque to me at all, but if you said so...

Dylan was influenced to go electric mostly cause of The Byrds...and yeah, the british invasion bands like The Beatles, Kinks, etc.

[Peso]

Landis wrote:

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Do me a favor I have listened 13th Floor Elevators, The Soft Machine or Red Krayola by the way all INFLUENCED BY THE BEATLES by the way.

Tell me you´re joking.

Those were real bands, not bubblegum pop for the masses.

Please, What influence they took from the Beatles xD ¿The Chuck Berry sound?¿Buddy Holly?

The Betles were like a retro-band from the 50´s compared to those bands.

[Peso]

Landis wrote:

"Tomorrow Never Knows by The Beatles beats all of them to punch.

If you want real electronic-rock pioneers, go listen to The Silver Apples.

[Petro]

Peso wrote:

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Yeah, and Pet Sounds is Paul mc Cartney´s favorite album and he also was in tears when he heard God Only Knows. So what?
The Beatles maybe are diverse on The White Album. But you know The Beach Boys discography? From Pet Sounds onwards they are pretty diverse and interesting. Wild Honey, Sunflower, Surf´s up.
Yeah, It´s well known that Zappa was influenced by Varese, Boullez, Bartok, Stockhausen and avant-garde composers like that.
But I was talking about rock music here. Art-ROCK.
The Beatles didn´t pioneer anything in rock, they took things from underground rock artists and made them popular.

It's a well known fact Zapper was influenced by Vidal Sasson, Bulldyke Lez,Barcock,Stockholm,and avalanch-gardians But I'm talking about Fart-Rock.

[Petro]

Peso wrote:

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Tell me you´re joking.
Those were real bands, not bubblegum pop for the masses.
Please, What influence they took from the Beatles xD ¿The Chuck Berry sound?¿Buddy Holly?
The Betles were like a retro-band from the 50´s compared to those bands.

Where can I get a Betels Album ?

[Peso]

Actually, It´s Betles.

Try again.

[Peso]

I will call you Everett.

So, You´re the only one who post here?

[Peso]

Petro wrote:

<quoted text>It's a well known fact Zapper was influenced by Vidal Sasson, Bulldyke Lez,Barcock,Stockholm,and avalanch-gardians But I'm talking about Fart-Rock.

Don´t be angry that you´re musically ignorant. It was obvious from the first time I read your posts, but don´t you worry Bubba Everett.

It´s not important in life.

[Peso]

Landis wrote:

"Tomorrow Never Knows by The Beatles beats all of them to punch. Instead of a progression of chords in support of the melodic lines, we hear a sustained drone and an ostinato bass pattern. The most novel sounds here were made by modifying tape recordings. Prerecorded tape loops were fed into the studio's mixing console producing the "seagull" and "whooping" noises that fade in and out of a sonic montage. This was more advanced and influential than anything than The Velvet Underground who I like.

Like everything with The Beatles they took that from a real artist. They just ripped-off Stockhausen, cause McCartney was listening to his work and introduced it to the other Beatles. So?

More advanced that the Velvet Underground?? LOL you only know the Beatles and nothing else right? The Beatles were still doing 3 minute pop songs when the Velvet underground were doing noise-rock like European Son or Sister Ray.

[Petro]

Peso wrote:

Actually, It´s Betles.
Try again.

Bet less and win more cash.

[Bubba]

Peso wrote:

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Like everything with The Beatles they took that from a real artist. They just ripped-off Stockhausen, cause McCartney was listening to his work and introduced it to the other Beatles. So?
More advanced that the Velvet Underground?? LOL you only know the Beatles and nothing else right? The Beatles were still doing 3 minute pop songs when the Velvet underground were doing noise-rock like European Son or Sister Ray.

Where are the Velvet underground now? How many albums did they do? How many of their crappy records sold a million? Didn't Nico die of a heroin overdose? My older brother had that album with the banana on it. It sucked because Lou Reed can't carry a tune if his life depended on it.

[Peso]

Bubba wrote:

<quoted text>Where are the Velvet underground now?

Well, Sterling Morrison is dead, and Lou Reed and John Cale can´t stand each other since 1969.

Bubba wrote:

<quoted text>How many albums did they do?

4 albums (I don´t count Squeeze as a VU album) The two first albums are the best, great artsy albums (Velvet Underground and Nico and White Light/White Heat).

Bubba wrote:

<quoted text>How many of their crappy records sold a million?

Again for the million time:¿When commercial success and popularity equals musical quality?

Bubba wrote:

<quoted text>Didn't Nico die of a heroin overdose?

She, like her fellow VU pals, did a lot of drugs. But she actually died of a Brain hemorrhage, she fell from her bicycle and hit her head. Her album Chealsea Girl from 1967 is great. The Marble Index is great too, but less accesible than her debut.

Bubba wrote:

<quoted text>My older brother had that album with the banana on it. It sucked because Lou Reed can't carry a tune if his life depended on it.

Nico sang on that album too. And I like Lou Reed´s sound.

Yeah, his voice is not technically good, but the VU were an avant-garde rock group...their style was noisey and chaotic. A Elvis-Orbison type of singer wouldn´t have worked.

But you heard the popular Lou Reed songs "Perfect Day" and "Pale Blue Eyes"? right? It´s impossible for anyone to dislike those classics.

[Peso]

And besides, Lennon or Mc Cartney´s voices were just ok. There were obviously a lot of better voices in the sixties.

[Landis]

Peso wrote:

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If you want real electronic-rock pioneers, go listen to The Silver Apples.

Nothing wrong with the Silver Apples but songs like "Tomorrow Never Knows" by the way which pre-dates The Silver Apples has had a much more of an influence than anything The Sliver Apples ever did.

[Landis]

Peso wrote:

And besides, Lennon or Mc Cartney´s voices were just ok. There were obviously a lot of better voices in the sixties.

As lead singers Lennon or McCartney were considered among the best and as lead singers they were much better than say The Beach Boys or Mic of The Rolling Stones