Anti-IRA figures not on royal list

May 15, 2011 Full story: Kildare Nationalist 19

The British and Irish governments have snubbed prominent anti-terrorist figures who fearlessly campaigned against the Provisional IRA.

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Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#1 May 15, 2011
Why would the Queen want to meet anti-IRA figures? Would be a bit silly considering the IRA/Sinn Fein have a vast control of Northern Ireland politically......
Hugh Chumley-Cranwort h

UK

#2 May 16, 2011
Dubbadub wrote:
Why would the Queen want to meet anti-IRA figures? Would be a bit silly considering the IRA/Sinn Fein have a vast control of Northern Ireland politically......
How do you figure that? The last I heard the DUP were the largest party in Northern Ireland with quite a comfortable majority and if normal democratic procedures were in place Sinn Fein would simply be in opposition.
Let's take a look at their record over the last 4 years were they weren't able to (A) pass an Irish Language Act (B) build a sports stadium at The Maze (with a shrine to the IRA) or (C) make the changes to the education system that they want - and even if they were able to agree any of these things with the DUP it would have to be approved by Westminster with the necessary nod from the EU.

Hardly what anyone could consider 'vast control.'

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#3 May 16, 2011
Hugh Chumley-Cranworth wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you figure that? The last I heard the DUP were the largest party in Northern Ireland with quite a comfortable majority and if normal democratic procedures were in place Sinn Fein would simply be in opposition.
Let's take a look at their record over the last 4 years were they weren't able to (A) pass an Irish Language Act (B) build a sports stadium at The Maze (with a shrine to the IRA) or (C) make the changes to the education system that they want - and even if they were able to agree any of these things with the DUP it would have to be approved by Westminster with the necessary nod from the EU.
Hardly what anyone could consider 'vast control.'
Well if you look at it that way Sinn Fein would be the largest party in opposition. Well considering they were censored off the tv in the 1980's, they are essentially the IRA in suits, I think the fact they are the main representatives of the nationalist community, the fact they continue to grow and the fact that they have gained 12 extra seats in the Republic of Ireland parliament the Dail means their future is bright. In the next ten years it is thought that Sinn Fein will be in a coalition government in the Republic, which means of course they will have ministerial positions, so they could have a minister for education in NI, and a minister for education in the ROI which would mean an all Ireland education policy, this is the future of this island....

You really think the Queen would want to ostracise the second biggest party in Northern Ireland? The ones who actually did more than these ''anti-IRA'' people to bring about peace in the end?? The Queen knows better.....
Sir Henry Featheringstall

UK

#4 May 28, 2011
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Well if you look at it that way Sinn Fein would be the largest party in opposition. Well considering they were censored off the tv in the 1980's, they are essentially the IRA in suits, I think the fact they are the main representatives of the nationalist community, the fact they continue to grow and the fact that they have gained 12 extra seats in the Republic of Ireland parliament the Dail means their future is bright. In the next ten years it is thought that Sinn Fein will be in a coalition government in the Republic, which means of course they will have ministerial positions, so they could have a minister for education in NI, and a minister for education in the ROI which would mean an all Ireland education policy, this is the future of this island....
You really think the Queen would want to ostracise the second biggest party in Northern Ireland? The ones who actually did more than these ''anti-IRA'' people to bring about peace in the end?? The Queen knows better.....
Well, with all due respect, I would disagree. There is no doubt that Sinn Fein has made significant gains in the Republic, but I would question whether that is lasting, growing support, or just total disenchantment with the established political parties. To quote Bill Clinton.. "It's the economy, stupid" and it would be a real stretch for me to believe that the Irish electorate would ever trust Adams and Sinn Fein with the national chequebook.
And as for them having an education minister north and south of the border leading to an all-Ireland education system, well that's just simply not going to happen. For one thing the Unionists would fight that tooth and nail and the way politics works in Northern Ireland, as I'm sure you are aware, for any policy to succeed it must have cross-community support. Education, by its segregated nature in Northern Ireland, is an extremely sensitive and emotive issue and my opinion is that the Unionists were happy enough to hand the shinners back that poison challice. After all, all that they managed to achieve after 4 years under Ruane was to create complete chaos, leaving parents not knowing what was happening with their children from one year to the next and for the majority of schools to flip her the middle finger and go their own way.

That aside... didn't the Queen do well?
:)
Point Blank

Montréal, Canada

#5 Jun 19, 2011
Sir Henry Featheringstall wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, with all due respect, I would disagree. There is no doubt that Sinn Fein has made significant gains in the Republic, but I would question whether that is lasting, growing support, or just total disenchantment with the established political parties. To quote Bill Clinton.. "It's the economy, stupid" and it would be a real stretch for me to believe that the Irish electorate would ever trust Adams and Sinn Fein with the national chequebook.
And as for them having an education minister north and south of the border leading to an all-Ireland education system, well that's just simply not going to happen. For one thing the Unionists would fight that tooth and nail and the way politics works in Northern Ireland, as I'm sure you are aware, for any policy to succeed it must have cross-community support. Education, by its segregated nature in Northern Ireland, is an extremely sensitive and emotive issue and my opinion is that the Unionists were happy enough to hand the shinners back that poison challice. After all, all that they managed to achieve after 4 years under Ruane was to create complete chaos, leaving parents not knowing what was happening with their children from one year to the next and for the majority of schools to flip her the middle finger and go their own way.
That aside... didn't the Queen do well?
:)
After you got knighted by Queen Elizabeth II, you recieved the title of "Sir".

The title "Sir" comes from the word "Osiris".

Ancient Egyptians worshipped Satan under the name of Osiris.

Osiris is Satan.

Freemasonry is actually a worship of Lucifer, the Light-Bearer; of course, since Lucifer and Satan are Biblically the same person, Freemasonry is really the worship of Satan.

Osiris is Lucifer.

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" - Isaiah 14:12

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#6 Jun 19, 2011
Sir Henry Featheringstall wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, with all due respect, I would disagree. There is no doubt that Sinn Fein has made significant gains in the Republic, but I would question whether that is lasting, growing support, or just total disenchantment with the established political parties. To quote Bill Clinton.. "It's the economy, stupid" and it would be a real stretch for me to believe that the Irish electorate would ever trust Adams and Sinn Fein with the national chequebook.
And as for them having an education minister north and south of the border leading to an all-Ireland education system, well that's just simply not going to happen. For one thing the Unionists would fight that tooth and nail and the way politics works in Northern Ireland, as I'm sure you are aware, for any policy to succeed it must have cross-community support. Education, by its segregated nature in Northern Ireland, is an extremely sensitive and emotive issue and my opinion is that the Unionists were happy enough to hand the shinners back that poison challice. After all, all that they managed to achieve after 4 years under Ruane was to create complete chaos, leaving parents not knowing what was happening with their children from one year to the next and for the majority of schools to flip her the middle finger and go their own way.
That aside... didn't the Queen do well?
:)
I agree with you on that point about disenchantment, but if you look at the next five years until the next election, which will be bleak for Ireland (wait for the budgets), the public will want the heads of the Fine Gael/Labour coalition by the end of it, and Fianna Fail will still not be trusted by then, who else will the public have to go for? Only the likes of Sinn Fein (4th largest party in the Dail), and to a lesser degree the Socialists and People Before Profit, we may see a left wing government in the country for the first time in it's history......

Sinn Fein in many ways are like the Fianna Fail movement in the late 1920's and 1930's........

I agree with you there, and the segregation of schools in Northern Ireland is the wrong way to go. I think though that we all on this island have to pull our weight, and become more integrated, with perhaps the Nationalists noting some good aspects that the British brought to the country, while the Unionists acknoweldging the right of the Irish Republican fighters in 1916-1921, this can be the only way forward........

Do you ever think there will be more of a mixture where education is considered in NI??

Yeah I was happy her visit went off without a hitch, and polls done across the country suggested that 85% of the population were in favour of her visit, to me the most striking aspect of the visit was her trip to the Garden of Rememberance for the people who fought for Irish Independence, I think it took a lot of bravery for her to lay a wreth and acknoweldge people who fought against Britain for Irish independence, fair play to her......

Also the trip to Croke Park, Memorial Garden (WW1-WW2 Irish Dead), Cork, Guinness Brewery, National Stud etc was a good mixture of business and pleasure, and I'd say she enjoyed herself.....

The huge majority of Irish people have no bitterness nor anger towards Britain and it's people, for me it is my favourite place to visit......
Marcus

Ashford, UK

#7 Sep 28, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you on that point about disenchantment, but if you look at the next five years until the next election, which will be bleak for Ireland (wait for the budgets), the public will want the heads of the Fine Gael/Labour coalition by the end of it, and Fianna Fail will still not be trusted by then, who else will the public have to go for? Only the likes of Sinn Fein (4th largest party in the Dail), and to a lesser degree the Socialists and People Before Profit, we may see a left wing government in the country for the first time in it's history......
Sinn Fein in many ways are like the Fianna Fail movement in the late 1920's and 1930's........
I agree with you there, and the segregation of schools in Northern Ireland is the wrong way to go. I think though that we all on this island have to pull our weight, and become more integrated, with perhaps the Nationalists noting some good aspects that the British brought to the country, while the Unionists acknoweldging the right of the Irish Republican fighters in 1916-1921, this can be the only way forward........
Do you ever think there will be more of a mixture where education is considered in NI??
Yeah I was happy her visit went off without a hitch, and polls done across the country suggested that 85% of the population were in favour of her visit, to me the most striking aspect of the visit was her trip to the Garden of Rememberance for the people who fought for Irish Independence, I think it took a lot of bravery for her to lay a wreth and acknoweldge people who fought against Britain for Irish independence, fair play to her......
Also the trip to Croke Park, Memorial Garden (WW1-WW2 Irish Dead), Cork, Guinness Brewery, National Stud etc was a good mixture of business and pleasure, and I'd say she enjoyed herself.....
The huge majority of Irish people have no bitterness nor anger towards Britain and it's people, for me it is my favourite place to visit......
No such thing as "independence", Famine boy.

So glad the PIRA terrorist scum surrendered in 1994, just as the IRA terrorists surrendered in 1921!

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#8 Sep 29, 2013
Marcus wrote:
<quoted text>
No such thing as "independence", Famine boy.
So glad the PIRA terrorist scum surrendered in 1994, just as the IRA terrorists surrendered in 1921!
Historically inaccurate.

The 26 counties of Ireland left the UK fully in 1922.
Robert

UK

#9 Sep 30, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Historically inaccurate.
The 26 counties of Ireland left the UK fully in 1922.
Not until the handover of the Treaty ports in 1938 actually.

And all of Ireland has been reunited with the UK since 1973.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#10 Sep 30, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Not until the handover of the Treaty ports in 1938 actually.
And all of Ireland has been reunited with the UK since 1973.
So glad De Valera refused Churchill's request to use them.

Yes, Enda Kenny was the President of the UK for the first 6 months of the year.
Robert

UK

#11 Sep 30, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
So glad De Valera refused Churchill's request to use them.
Yes, Enda Kenny was the President of the UK for the first 6 months of the year.
The Royal Navy did not need to use southern Ireland's ports because it had much better submarine-detecting equipment, and naval bases in Northern Ireland and Iceland.
Robert

UK

#12 Sep 30, 2013
Enda Kenny is left-wing scum like David Cameron.

So glad UKIP will destroy the Conservative Party forever!
Robert

UK

#13 Sep 30, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Historically inaccurate.
The 26 counties of Ireland left the UK fully in 1922.
Partition had already been agreed in 1914 after Home Rule destroyed the UK.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#14 Oct 2, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
The Royal Navy did not need to use southern Ireland's ports because it had much better submarine-detecting equipment, and naval bases in Northern Ireland and Iceland.
Good. So we'll not hear you whining about British vessels being sank due to the ports not being used.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#15 Oct 2, 2013
Robert wrote:
So glad UKIP will destroy the Conservative Party forever!
Unlikely, I can see some sort of coalition in the future, with the Conservatives being forced to move further right due to the success of UKIP.

I like the common sense approach of UKIP.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#16 Oct 2, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
Partition had already been agreed in 1914 after Home Rule destroyed the UK.
That is accurate. Nothing had been agreed.
Nathan

UK

#17 Oct 3, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlikely, I can see some sort of coalition in the future, with the Conservatives being forced to move further right due to the success of UKIP.
I like the common sense approach of UKIP.
There will be no coalition or agreement because Nigel Farage will not work with Europhile David Cameron.

Dinosaurs like Kenneth Clarke and Lord Heseltine show why the Conservatives will never win a General Election unless Scotland leaves.
Jake

New York, NY

#18 Oct 4, 2013
Marcus wrote:
<quoted text>
No such thing as "independence", Famine boy.
So glad the PIRA terrorist scum surrendered in 1994, just as the IRA terrorists surrendered in 1921!
Really, you called him "Famine Boy?" you really are a bigoted, hate filled little man.
Eat sheet and die, scumbag.
Kyle

Gravesend, UK

#19 Oct 27, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
That is accurate. Nothing had been agreed.
Actually partition had already been agreed before World War I started, since Ireland could not have its own separate parliament and still remain in the UK.

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