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Voting: Why It Matters and the Issues at Stake

There are 49 comments on the EDGE story from Sep 22, 2012, titled Voting: Why It Matters and the Issues at Stake. In it, EDGE reports that:

Here is a selection of issues at stake in the presidential election and their impact on Americans, as compiled by the editors of Associated Press.

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“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#1 Sep 23, 2012
THERE IS NO FEDERAL "RIGHT To VOTE".

Since: Nov 08

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#2 Sep 23, 2012
What do you think of Obama now?
Obama is a pussie. The terrorists are laughing at us.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#3 Sep 23, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
What do you think of Obama now?
Obama is a pussie. The terrorists are laughing at us.
Really? Obama's a "pussie" for trying to stop the war that started on false terms and trying to save millions of soldiers' lives? Obama's a "pussie" for bringing in better health care and starting the dig to get your shitty economy back up on its feet?

What are you, a twelve year old who thinks it's cool to go to war?

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#4 Sep 23, 2012
Lacez wrote:
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Really? Obama's a "pussie" for trying to stop the war that started on false terms and trying to save millions of soldiers' lives? Obama's a "pussie" for bringing in better health care and starting the dig to get your shitty economy back up on its feet?
What are you, a twelve year old who thinks it's cool to go to war?
if you believe ANY of what you posted, i'd say YOU'RE the 12 year old.

get a clue!
apk2sd

United States

#6 Sep 23, 2012
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“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#7 Sep 23, 2012
carey529 wrote:
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if you believe ANY of what you posted, i'd say YOU'RE the 12 year old.
get a clue!
Oh now I get it! You're one of those in the States that thinks a triangle has four sides!

Jeez, took you awhile to think up that "no YOU are" comeback, did it? You're a genius!
Gravediggers

Lynwood, CA

#8 Sep 23, 2012
America has been weakened externally through the softening of our defense and internally by the failed economy and social division created by President Obama.

November 6th - last chance to resurrect this country.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#9 Sep 23, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
THERE IS NO FEDERAL "RIGHT To VOTE".
No kidding.

Voting is a privilege.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#10 Sep 23, 2012
Mitt Romney's Son
Signed 'Abortion' Clause
In Surrogate Birth Contract
9/21/2012

TMZ has learned Mitt Romney's son Tagg -- who had twins this year through a surrogate -- signed an agreement that gave the surrogate, as well as Tagg and his wife, the right to abort the fetuses in non-life threatening situations ... and Mitt Romney covered some of the expenses connected with the arrangement ... and it may boil down to an incredibly stupid mistake.

The twin boys -- David Mitt and William Ryder -- were born on May 4, 2012. We've learned Tagg and his wife Jen, along with the surrogate and her husband, signed a Gestational Carrier Agreement dated July 28, 2011. Paragraph 13 of the agreement reads as follows:

"If in the opinion of the treating physician or her independent obstetrician there is potential physical harm to the surrogate, the decision to abort or not abort is to be made by the surrogate."

Translation: Tagg and Jen gave the surrogate the right to abort the fetuses even if her life wasn't in danger. All the surrogate has to show is "potential physical harm," which could be something like preeclampsia -- a type of high blood pressure that could damage the mother's liver, kidney or brain, but is not necessarily life-threatening.

Paragraph 13 goes on:

"In the event the child is determined to be physiologically, genetically or chromosomally abnormal, the decision to abort or not to abort is to be made by the intended parents. In such a case the surrogate agrees to abort, or not to abort, in accordance with the intended parents' decision."

And there's another relevant provision in Paragraph 13:

"Any decision to abort because of potential harm to the child, or to reduce the number of fetuses, is to be made by the intended parents."

Translation: Tagg and his wife, Jen, had the right to abort the fetuses if they felt they would not be healthy.

Sources connected with Mitt Romney tell TMZ, Mitt was involved in the surrogate arrangement because he paid some of the expenses connected with the agreement. We do not know if Mitt Romney read the contract or knew the terms.

Mitt has said, "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest and the health and life of the mother." Otherwise, Romney is against abortion.

Now for the stupid mistake. We've learned Tagg chose the same surrogate in 2009, who gave birth to a boy. Attorney Bill Handel -- a nationally-known expert in surrogacy law who put the deal together between Tagg and the surrogate -- tells TMZ when the 2009 contract was drafted there was no Paragraph 13 providing for abortion because Tagg and his wife didn't want it.

Handel says in 2011, when the second contract was being drafted, everyone involved "just forgot" to remove Paragraph 13. Handel says, "No one noticed. What can I say?"

http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/20/mitt-romney-son...
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#11 Sep 23, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
THERE IS NO FEDERAL "RIGHT To VOTE".
Voting Rights Timeline
August 2004
Voting Timeline 1776-2000
1776 - White men with property can vote. Free black men can vote in New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Connecticut.(The Progress Report adds -- in Maryland between 1776-1783 free black men could vote, but between 1783-1810 only those who were freed prior to 1783 were permitted to vote, and after 1810 no black men at all were allowed to vote.)
1789 - Establishment of US democracy. White men with property can vote. Poor people, Women, Native Americans, and enslaved African- Americans cannot vote.
1790 - From 1770 to 1790 each state has individual naturalization laws.
In 1790 the US passes its first naturalization law to grant citizenship
to white men and some women. The right to vote is tied directly to
citizenship status; it is only for whites who have lived in the country
for 2 years. In 1798 the law is changed so immigrant whites have to live
in the US for 14 years before they can become citizens. This changed to
5 years after 1902.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#12 Sep 23, 2012
1820 - The property laws are taken off the books and whites can vote
even if they do not own property. But they must pay a poll tax or be
able to read and, in some places, they must pass religious tests before
they can vote.
1840 - Poll taxes, literacy taxes and religion tests are taken off the
books. Only white men can vote.
1848 - The Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo ends the Mexican-American War. The treaty guarantees citizenship to Mexicans living in the newly
acquired territories of Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas and
Nevada. Voting rights are denied. Mexican-Americans are not allowed to vote despite having US citizenship. Property laws, language and literacy requirements are the favored way of keeping people from voting. There are also the Night Riders who use intimidation and violence.
1860 - Five states, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island and
Massachusetts allow free black men to vote. New York allows free black men who own at least $250 of property.
1866 - The Civil War ends in 1865. Civil Rights Act of 1866 grants
citizenship to native-born Americans but excludes Native Americans.
1870 - The 15th Amendment establishes the right of African-American
males to vote. In the South especially, poll taxes, reading requirements, physical violence, property destruction, hiding the polls, and economic pressures keep most African-Americans from voting. The Ku Klux Klan is a major part of the violence and intimidation used to keep African-Americans from voting.
1882 - The Chinese Exclusion Act bars people of Chinese ancestry from
becoming citizens. They cannot vote.
1887 - The Dawes Act gives citizenship only to Native Americans who give up their tribal affiliations.
1890 - The Indian Naturalization Act grants citizenship to Native
Americans in an application process similar to immigrant naturalization.
1901 - Congress grants citizenship to Native Americans living in Indian
Territory (Oklahoma).
1920 - Prior to 1920, some parts of the country let women vote. What or whom they can vote for depends on the area they are in. Some can vote only in school elections. Women in the Wyoming and Utah territory and Colorado have full voting rights. It isn't until 1920 that all women
have the right to vote.
1921 - The Sons of America are organized to fight for equality and the
rights of Mexican Americans as citizens, including the right to vote. It
will be 1975 before the right to vote is available to all Mexican-Americans.
1922 - In the case of Takao v. United States the US Supreme Court
upholds the 1790 Naturalization Act that barred Asian-Americans from
becoming citizens. This enforces the policy of no voting rights for Asian immigrants.
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#14 Sep 23, 2012
Gravediggers wrote:
America has been weakened externally through the softening of our defense and internally by the failed economy and social division created by President Obama.
November 6th - last chance to resurrect this country.
Please explain to me, in my ignorance, how our defense has been softened when we pay more for it than the next 7 biggest defense spenders in the world, combined? Are we just not getting our money's worth?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Sep 23, 2012
Why voting matters?

Ginsburg- 79 y/o
Scalia- 76 y/o
Kennedy- 76 y/o
Breyer- 74 y/o

Any questions?
E Pluribus Unum

Carol Stream, IL

#17 Sep 23, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
What do you think of Obama now?
Obama is a pussie. The terrorists are laughing at us.
U fanasy Obama! n y u ask topix;)searching n think about Obamas";-0
E Pluribus Unum

Carol Stream, IL

#18 Sep 23, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Why voting matters?
Ginsburg- 79 y/o
Scalia- 76 y/o
Kennedy- 76 y/o
Breyer- 74 y/o
Any questions?
questions? who! U!! here www.ask.com/wiithesheeple+niple;-00

“have seen the years,”

Since: Mar 10

and the slow parade of fears"

#19 Sep 23, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Why voting matters?
Ginsburg- 79 y/o
Scalia- 76 y/o
Kennedy- 76 y/o
Breyer- 74 y/o
Any questions?
You're not kidding! My only concern now is the integrity of the actual voting process and getting everyone out to vote. There's no question, at this point, who the majority of the voters want for President. The problem is getting past the spinning, lying, cheating, stealing, bullying repugnantcans and public complacency.
gossamer

Roseville, MI

#20 Sep 23, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
<quoted text>
No kidding.
Voting is a privilege.
You thought so until I set you right.
gossamer

Roseville, MI

#21 Sep 23, 2012
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Obama's a "pussie" for trying to stop the war that started on false terms and trying to save millions of soldiers' lives? Obama's a "pussie" for bringing in better health care and starting the dig to get your shitty economy back up on its feet?
What are you, a twelve year old who thinks it's cool to go to war?
At least the US has a military.

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#22 Sep 23, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
What do you think of Obama now?
Obama is a pussie. The terrorists are laughing at us.
Call TOBOR !

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#23 Sep 23, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
1820 - The property laws are taken off the books and whites can vote
even if they do not own property. But they must pay a poll tax or be
able to read and, in some places, they must pass religious tests before
they can vote.
1840 - Poll taxes, literacy taxes and religion tests are taken off the
books. Only white men can vote.
1848 - The Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo ends the Mexican-American War. The treaty guarantees citizenship to Mexicans living in the newly
acquired territories of Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas and
Nevada. Voting rights are denied. Mexican-Americans are not allowed to vote despite having US citizenship. Property laws, language and literacy requirements are the favored way of keeping people from voting. There are also the Night Riders who use intimidation and violence.
1860 - Five states, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island and
Massachusetts allow free black men to vote. New York allows free black men who own at least $250 of property.
1866 - The Civil War ends in 1865. Civil Rights Act of 1866 grants
citizenship to native-born Americans but excludes Native Americans.
1870 - The 15th Amendment establishes the right of African-American
males to vote. In the South especially, poll taxes, reading requirements, physical violence, property destruction, hiding the polls, and economic pressures keep most African-Americans from voting. The Ku Klux Klan is a major part of the violence and intimidation used to keep African-Americans from voting.
1882 - The Chinese Exclusion Act bars people of Chinese ancestry from
becoming citizens. They cannot vote.
1887 - The Dawes Act gives citizenship only to Native Americans who give up their tribal affiliations.
1890 - The Indian Naturalization Act grants citizenship to Native
Americans in an application process similar to immigrant naturalization.
1901 - Congress grants citizenship to Native Americans living in Indian
Territory (Oklahoma).
1920 - Prior to 1920, some parts of the country let women vote. What or whom they can vote for depends on the area they are in. Some can vote only in school elections. Women in the Wyoming and Utah territory and Colorado have full voting rights. It isn't until 1920 that all women
have the right to vote.
1921 - The Sons of America are organized to fight for equality and the
rights of Mexican Americans as citizens, including the right to vote. It
will be 1975 before the right to vote is available to all Mexican-Americans.
1922 - In the case of Takao v. United States the US Supreme Court
upholds the 1790 Naturalization Act that barred Asian-Americans from
becoming citizens. This enforces the policy of no voting rights for Asian immigrants.
Thank you !

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