McCain's "Spiritual Guide": America was "Founded, in Part, to See Islam Destroyed"

[Real American]

Yes that quote was from an autobiography describing his emotional state when he was 12 to 14 years old. Obama grew up, when will you? And that lying video you've been spamming all over the board for a week now is as sickening as the lie you just told. Go get some new lies, these are boring.

WHITE AMERICAN wrote:

To White Americans..we are waking up to the lies that have been purported on the media and forums like these.
Evidence of Obama's 'HATE' for Whites.
A Quotation taken from Obama's book:
'Dreams Of My Father'
"I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.
These are the very words of Barack Hussein Obama..
Get informed..read this..
www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
If Hillary doesn't win..McCain will.

[Florian]

JCleland wrote:

<quoted text>You're a funny little person.I'm sure you won't own up to your rediculous predictions when you are proven wrong.In the mean time we are all treated to the ranting of a complete idiot

The thing about un-moderated discussion boards is that a small minority of posters will come and make everything personal. They make personal attacks rather then discuss issues or policy.

The think that I find most interesting is that they are almost universally far-right republicans. I guess that is one of the reasons that the neo-cons in our administration were able to use swiftboating with so little backlash within their own party.

Observing this matter of making personal attacks instead of discussing issues or policy has served to make me a better person, in that I find it so unattractive that I have decided that I will no longer join anyone in the gutters. Further it has served to make me more proud to wear the label “liberal”, and be a Democrat.

I am a liberal Democrat and I am proud of it.

[Real American]

It seems to me that the racists have dragged this thread a mite off course. Let's take a look at McCain's spiritual adviser again...

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[mlc9852]

Real American wrote:

Yes that quote was from an autobiography describing his emotional state when he was 12 to 14 years old. Obama grew up, when will you? And that lying video you've been spamming all over the board for a week now is as sickening as the lie you just told. Go get some new lies, these are boring.
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I believe Obama has a serious identity crisis. Poor mixed-up guy.

[mlc9852]

Florian wrote:

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The thing about un-moderated discussion boards is that a small minority of posters will come and make everything personal. They make personal attacks rather then discuss issues or policy.
The think that I find most interesting is that they are almost universally far-right republicans. I guess that is one of the reasons that the neo-cons in our administration were able to use swiftboating with so little backlash within their own party.
Observing this matter of making personal attacks instead of discussing issues or policy has served to make me a better person, in that I find it so unattractive that I have decided that I will no longer join anyone in the gutters. Further it has served to make me more proud to wear the label “liberal”, and be a Democrat.
I am a liberal Democrat and I am proud of it.

What does a liberal believe?

[Florian]

WHITE AMERICAN wrote:

To White Americans..we are waking up to the lies that have been purported on the media and forums like these.......

That is exactly correct, and thanks you for pointing it out. Most Americans indeed reject racism and bigotry, and your posts and the website you point to only serve to enforce that rejection.

The mainstream of the American people believe very strongly in liberty and justice for all, without regard for race, gender, religion or national origin. They have rejected the policies of racial supremacy and anti-Semitism, and defeated its greatest proponent, Adolf Hitler.

Organizations like the KKK, the American Nazi Party, Aryan Nation and The National Alliance are ineffectual politically but do unintentionally serve the greater good by reminding our citizens that the base elements are always with us and that we must be ever vigilant.

[Florian]

mlc9852 wrote:

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What does a liberal believe?

In the context of modern American politics, liberal typically refers to one supporting social liberalism or one opposing economic or social conservative positions.

Social liberalism, as a branch of liberalism, contends that society must protect liberty, justice and opportunity for all citizens, without regard for race, gender, religion or national origin.

Used as a term it also means one who expresses support for civil and human rights and freedoms, particularly in opposition to traditional racism and anti-Semitism, but as defined here social liberalism is also concerned with the economic as well as the social dimension of politics.

In summary, a 'liberal' believes in liberty, justice and equal opportunity for all Americans, regardless of their race, gender, religion or national origin.(I know that is a repeat but it is for those that only read the last paragraph)

[mlc9852]

Florian wrote:

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In the context of modern American politics, liberal typically refers to one supporting social liberalism or one opposing economic or social conservative positions.
Social liberalism, as a branch of liberalism, contends that society must protect liberty, justice and opportunity for all citizens, without regard for race, gender, religion or national origin.
Used as a term it also means one who expresses support for civil and human rights and freedoms, particularly in opposition to traditional racism and anti-Semitism, but as defined here social liberalism is also concerned with the economic as well as the social dimension of politics.
In summary, a 'liberal' believes in liberty, justice and equal opportunity for all Americans, regardless of their race, gender, religion or national origin.(I know that is a repeat but it is for those that only read the last paragraph)

We already have that in America so what are you complaining about?

[Florian]

mlc9852 wrote:

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We already have that in America so what are you complaining about?

You said, "LOL - If it takes 100 years of killing Muslims, it will be 100 years well spent!"

My next door is a Muslim. He is also an American citizen. If you come for him I will stand by his side.

[Florian]

next door neighbor

[mlc9852]

Florian wrote:

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You said, "LOL - If it takes 100 years of killing Muslims, it will be 100 years well spent!"
My next door is a Muslim. He is also an American citizen. If you come for him I will stand by his side.

Don't worry about it - I don't know where you live.

But it doesn't surprise me you would defend Muslims, seeing how you are supporting Obama. Same thing.

Keep working hard and maybe you can move to a nicer neighborhood.

[Florian]

mlc9852 wrote:

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We already have that in America so what are you complaining about?

This really is a most interesting post. The premise seems to be that since we have something, there is no need to be prepared to defend it. By that theory, we have laws and therefore need no police. It would also mean that in times of peace we would need no military. I think that to have something today, like equal opportunity, is not the same as having it tomorrow.

Additionally, the above seems to fail to recognize that there are many people in our society that believe very strongly in racial supremacy and other anti-American principles. There are also many in the radical fringe that believe that capitalism is a license to steal and exploit the ‘little people’.

One of the most interesting recent phenomena is the behavior of Republican Representative Larry Edwin Craig of Idaho.

In 1989 Larry Craig led an extended effort that pushed for more severe punishment of Democrat Representative Barney Frank for his involvement in a gay prostitution scandal.

On June 11, 2007, Craig was arrested at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on suspicion of lewd conduct, specifically soliciting homosexual intercourse in a public restroom. As a result of this arrest Craig pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct. As a result of his conviction he was forced to resign from Congress.

In December 2007, eight gay men came forward to the Idaho Statesman newspaper alleging either sexual encounters with Craig, or attempts by Craig to engage in sexual encounters. One of them was Mike Jones, the male escort who in November 2006 was involved in a sex and methamphetamine scandal with Ted Haggard.

What then of Craig’s previous prosecution of Frank? There is an argument that it boils down to the pot calling the kettle black for political gain, with little regard for justice. It also serves to show that sometimes the people banging the drum most loudly are abusing the issue for personal gain.

The overall point then is that there are many people who place partisan politics above the American ideal of liberty, justice and equal opportunity for all.

In America we are a long way from achieving perfection in terms of civil and human rights. The postings I have seen on this discussion board have proved that to me.

[usasince1680]

Real American wrote:

Yes that quote was from an autobiography describing his emotional state when he was 12 to 14 years old. Obama grew up, when will you? And that lying video you've been spamming all over the board for a week now is as sickening as the lie you just told. Go get some new lies, these are boring.
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Did you read the book? It was at the age of 12 to 13 that he STARTED do disown his white heritage, he “ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites,”(Dreams of My Father)

"Obama is a close student of other people’s weaknesses, a literary artist of considerable power in plumbing his deep reservoirs of self-pity and resentment..consumed by indignation toward his own mother’s people...Obama’s book is primarily about his rejection of his supportive white maternal extended family in favor of his unknown black paternal extended family ..For the few willing to read all 442 pages, he offers important testimony about the enduring glamour of anti-white anger...And yet, at least through age 33 when he wrote Dreams from My Father, he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother’s race."
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_03_12/featu...

I honestly believe that to this very day Obama has a deep resentment of the white race. For certain his wife does.

[Florian]

mlc9852 wrote:

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..... Keep working hard and maybe you can move to a nicer neighborhood.

I am a retired firefighter, a Chief Officer, and because I have invested well over the years my income is six-figure. I live in a very nice neighborhood. The average price of a home in my neighborhood is three times the average for the city I live in. It is a lovely home, and my wife and I enjoy it very much.

I am proud to say that because my neighbor is an American citizen I will stand with him. My neighbor on the other side is a Catholic, and I will stand by her too. Down the street is a Jewish family, and I will stand by them as well.

[Florian]

Before someone makes a big issue of it, I was in error. Larry Craig did promise to resign from office, but in point of fact he has not done so and he is still representing the people of Idaho in the U.S. Senate. I apologize for this mistake.

One other point; On February 13, 2008, the Senate Ethics Committee reported that Craig had spent $213,000 of campaign funds on legal fees and public relations fees related to his conviction, which the committee felt showed Craig's disregard of ethics. Campaign funds may only pay legal bills when they pertain to official duties.

[mlc9852]

Florian wrote:

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This really is a most interesting post. The premise seems to be that since we have something, there is no need to be prepared to defend it. By that theory, we have laws and therefore need no police. It would also mean that in times of peace we would need no military. I think that to have something today, like equal opportunity, is not the same as having it tomorrow.
Additionally, the above seems to fail to recognize that there are many people in our society that believe very strongly in racial supremacy and other anti-American principles. There are also many in the radical fringe that believe that capitalism is a license to steal and exploit the ‘little people’.
One of the most interesting recent phenomena is the behavior of Republican Representative Larry Edwin Craig of Idaho.
In 1989 Larry Craig led an extended effort that pushed for more severe punishment of Democrat Representative Barney Frank for his involvement in a gay prostitution scandal.
On June 11, 2007, Craig was arrested at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on suspicion of lewd conduct, specifically soliciting homosexual intercourse in a public restroom. As a result of this arrest Craig pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct. As a result of his conviction he was forced to resign from Congress.
In December 2007, eight gay men came forward to the Idaho Statesman newspaper alleging either sexual encounters with Craig, or attempts by Craig to engage in sexual encounters. One of them was Mike Jones, the male escort who in November 2006 was involved in a sex and methamphetamine scandal with Ted Haggard.
What then of Craig’s previous prosecution of Frank? There is an argument that it boils down to the pot calling the kettle black for political gain, with little regard for justice. It also serves to show that sometimes the people banging the drum most loudly are abusing the issue for personal gain.
The overall point then is that there are many people who place partisan politics above the American ideal of liberty, justice and equal opportunity for all.
In America we are a long way from achieving perfection in terms of civil and human rights. The postings I have seen on this discussion board have proved that to me.

All politicians are partisan. My point is we have all sorts of laws to help blacks. Not my fault if they rather sit in church and listen to the likes of Rev. Wright tell people how the man is keeping them down, then driving his Lexus or BMW to his $1.6 home. People like him are not helping blacks.

[mlc9852]

Florian wrote:

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I am a retired firefighter, a Chief Officer, and because I have invested well over the years my income is six-figure. I live in a very nice neighborhood. The average price of a home in my neighborhood is three times the average for the city I live in. It is a lovely home, and my wife and I enjoy it very much.
I am proud to say that because my neighbor is an American citizen I will stand with him. My neighbor on the other side is a Catholic, and I will stand by her too. Down the street is a Jewish family, and I will stand by them as well.

I have all sorts of friends I would stand by. However, if they are intent on destroying the US, that's where I draw the line. My country is more important than my friends.

[Florian]

mlc9852 wrote:

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All politicians are partisan. My point is we have all sorts of laws to help blacks. Not my fault if they rather sit in church and listen to the likes of Rev. Wright tell people how the man is keeping them down, then driving his Lexus or BMW to his $1.6 home. People like him are not helping blacks.

I am not attacking you personally. I have read your post and I have to tell you that it is my opinion that it is racist, in the sense that it seems to lump all black people into the same category. The only thing all black people have in common is dark skin, and even that varies tremendously. Same for whites reversed.

I agree that there is racism both ways, and blaming whites for problems in black communities does nothing to help black communities. I wrote a post on that recently with regards to the Sean Bell incident. So you see, there is one thing we can agree on. I’m sure there must be others.

[Florian]

mlc9852 wrote:

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I have all sorts of friends I would stand by. However, if they are intent on destroying the US, that's where I draw the line. My country is more important than my friends.

My Muslim neighbor is very, very glad to be in America. His children were born in America, and he has staked their future on America.

He works very hard and makes good money. He is a good citizen. He does not want to destroy America. He’s a nice guy, a good husband, a good father and a good neighbor.

[Buzz Flederjon]

Florian wrote:

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My Muslim neighbor is very, very glad to be in America. His children were born in America, and he has staked their future on America.
He works very hard and makes good money. He is a good citizen. He does not want to destroy America. He’s a nice guy, a good husband, a good father and a good neighbor.

Don't you see? Your neighbor is in fact "destroying" America.

More precisely, he is "destroying" the notion of a fictitious America built on Fundamentalist Christianity, manifest destiny, might makes right, and corporate/militaristic imperialism.