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[JOHNNY72]

Seriously people unless you are willing to take them to court they are not going to give you your money back its as simple as that.

You can write to as many agencies as you like, they are not going to help you either.

There is only one way to deal with Companies that do business the way Skillstrain do, and that is to give them some of their own medicine.

Watch this space !

There is more than one way to skin a cat !

[sophie2010]

hi jonney have u issued court proceedings then?

[JOHNNY72]

As I said in previous posts, because the claim is under £5000 it would be settled in a small claims court. If you won the case you would still have to pay the legal fees. The legal fees would probably be more than you are actually claiming, this is why no one takes them to court, and they know that.
The guy I spoke to from Multimedia computer training Ltd. said that if I took action against them, I would lose and that something bad might happen to me. He used the DVD on R Ager as an example. That sounds like a threat to me, big mistake !!
They have pushed me over the edge now, as I said watch this space..........

[Adam]

I've been following this thread for a while now. I have also been 'scammed' by a SkillTrain Sales Rep and have been paying the £75pm for about 3 years now. I've tried many times to get into the course material but its so dull and IMO irrelevant to the course.

I am considering some sort of legal/civil action against the company also and would be very interested in teaming up with the rest of you as suggested by Johnny72 so that we can get our refunds. Please feel free to contact me if you want to progress this further: [e-mail]

[telemicus]

Hi Johnny72
Regarding this statement "The guy I spoke to from Multimedia computer training Ltd. said that if I took action against them, I would lose and that something bad might happen to me. He used the DVD on R Ager as an example."
I don't suppose that there is anything written down on this that people on here could wave in front of the authorities?
I realise this is very unlikely but I think you did well to even get them to say something like that. As per Adam, you have my support on the legal proceedings should things have to proceed that far.

I am happy to report that so far I have personally directed 3 people in work who were all going sign up for this together to this thread. Needless to say the will be looking elsewhere. It gave me some great satisfaction

[marcin]

Skillstrain+Train2Game+Train4T radeSkills=SCAM
has anyone got a refund yet?

[sophie2010]

everyone is very quiet, i pressume everyone has got all their refunds??

[telemicus]

Hi sophie2010, not yet. It's a slow process to follow. I would say I'm making progress but I have no definite outcome. I will update as soon as I have something I can share.

[Rick]

JOHNNY72 wrote:

I have just had a letter back from my local trading standards, and its not good news.
They have said that they can pursue Skillstrain for any offeces commited, but thay are unable to pursue them for a refund. They have said that I will have to do this myself with a civil claim.
Because the claim would be under £5000, usually it would be settled without the use of a solicitor, this is because I wouldnt be able to claim legal expenses if I won,(thank you Gordon Brown) but because of the complexity of the case, it would be suicide going in without a solicitor.
So basically I could take them to court, and probably win, but I probably would have spent double the amount I am claiming, on legal fees.
And people wonder why I always take the law into my own hands.....
I have spoken to a solicitor that would be willing to take on the case no win no fee, but it would involve 20 or more people joining together as one case, this would make it more affordable.
I think I am just gonna hunt down the directors and smash them to bits with a baseball bat, much more satisfying.

I got the same answer from trading standards too. I'd definately join up so I could try & get a refund too

[Sean C]

I was conned by skillstrain for £3800 for a cisco course. When I realised I went down all the neccessary cancellation policies and got nowhere so I stopped the direct debit with Clydesdale financial services who have now put a default on my credit file-total scam and a conn!

[skillskiller]

I have read your recent comments.

I have recently, through mediation, been granted a £900 compensation.

I have also managed to deem my supposed debt to Barclays Partner Finance to nil, as they could not supply me with a true copy of an finance agreement.

I really hope that you all can do the same!

[Gillyflower]

Good luck to all who are seeking refunds. Here are some facts that may or may not help with your cases.

First of all CDF or Career Development Finance are essentially owned by Jan T_elensky (he or his wife are the majority shareholders). The managing director of the company is Deepak Shamdas, but he works directly for T_elensky and has no effective autonomy at all.

MultiMedia comp training ltd are also owned by T_elensky. The managing director may be different but, again, T or his wife are the majority shareholders and thus have a controlling interest.

ALL of the 'companies'- ST, train4trade, train2 game, sheidegger are just trading names for Metropolital International Schools. Owned by --- J T_elensky.

This wouldn't really matter if it wasn't for the fact that when people complain to ST about mis-selling they choose to blame MMCT as if MMCT's policies are completely outside their control - which is simply not true.

Likewise when CDF claim that they cannot do anything about ST's failure to deliver or mis-selling because they 'have paid ST and can't get their money back from them'

All of this director/shareholder information is available from Company House and is in the public domain.

I have spoken to a lot of people on different forums and elsewhere who are trying to get refunds based on mis-representation and other information that Rob Ager was good enough to make available on his website. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them has received a copy of the defamatory dvd about Mr Ager. Is this company policy I wonder?

[Scorpian]

email me if you need help getting a refund...

[e-mail]

[marcin]

Hi Gillyflower, could you tell please me how did you find out that Multimedia Computer Training Ltd is owned by J Talensky?

[marcin]

Everyone who has been doing Comptia course with Skillstrain might be interested in fact that the materials provided by Skillstrain are available on Axzo website and they cost appoximately $120 USD!!!Not couple thousand pounds!!!

[Gillyflower]

Companies House Annual Returns. You have to pay for the reports but they contain a lot of very interesting information - like who the shareholders are.

[Lee F]

Another victim.

[telemicus]

You may want to read this:
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/sh...

[County Court]

skillskiller wrote:

I am in the process of getting a refund from Skills Train and having my credit agreement, with Barclays Partner Finance, nullified.
I originally was inspired by stexposed through his website
I like so many others were mis-sold course(s) that are over-priced, falsely endorsed with materials that are out-dated, poorly written and in some cases no authority has been granted from the examination body to advertise or publish study material on their behalf, due to Skills Train not being fully endorsed.
I started my campaign to get a refund with contacting my local Trading Standards office, these are the people who should take any action on your belhalf as this is where the offence took place, however I gained some valuable information from Luton TS, in whose geographical area Skills Train trade, extracts of which I am posting below:
"Trading Standards authorities are separate bodies – it is not a national government service, so each authority will operate independently of each other. On occasion they may co-ordinate investigative work as long as it is legally permitted, but those decisions are left to individual authorities"
"I was suggesting that you sue the trader in the civil courts (prosecution is usually done in the criminal courts by state-authorised enforcement bodies) as the burden of proof is lower than for a criminal court. Additionally, there is no right to civil redress (refund etc) available under the Consumer Protection From Unfair Trading Regs, so you are best using the rights afforded by the Misrepresentation Act 1967 and the Supply of Goods & Services Act 1982."
As informed by stexposed 5 false endorsements, regardless of the over-pricing, poor materials etc., have been exposed so far but anybody taking a CompTIA course might be interested in extracts that have sent to me on 01/03/2010:
"The type of membership (associate membership) that Skillstrain currently have with CompTIA entitles them to use the CompTIA logo on their website and to take advantage of the membership benefits. With the current type of membership we do not vet the company and cannot vouch for the quality of their service, thus they are not endorsed by CompTIA
They are, on the other hand, currently going through the application process to join the CompTIA Authorised Partner Program. There are service quality checks in place during this application process, including making sure that they use CompTIA certified instructors and that the trainers have an instructors certification (Eg. MCT, CTT+). If their application is approved they would then be endorsed by CompTIA.
In reference to the courseware that they provide: if the books they provide are the most up to date versions from Prosoft and they are CAQC (CompTIA Authorised Quality Curriculum) stamped then they are CompTIA endorsed books. To the best of my knowledge, the most recent Project+ courseware from Prosoft/Compuprep is the 2009 edition."
Therefore we can deduce that Skills Train are not endorsed by CompTIA and the material supplied by Skills Train for CompTIA courses are not CAQC stamped and I am presuming that if this is the case, as it is, that providing illicit material would be a civil or possibly criminal offence.
I have recruited the support of a local councillor in this matter, perhaps you can do the same to get the TS office moving as fast as possible
If I can be of any assistance just ask.

HI
I have thrown my case in the county court and have raised all the points but skillstrain filed defense and they have stated in the defense that (The defendant contends that all the matters alleged in the particulars of claim which are a repeat of the BBC programme should be deemed irrelevant because they do not relate to the issues and accreditations required for the course. The only accreditation that is applicable to the course is compTIA.)

Actually I was looking for this information and I like to find out if they are really authorize by comptia?

[County Court]

skillskiller wrote:

I have read your recent comments.
I have recently, through mediation, been granted a £900 compensation.
I have also managed to deem my supposed debt to Barclays Partner Finance to nil, as they could not supply me with a true copy of an finance agreement.
I really hope that you all can do the same!

HI SkillsKiller
I am very impressed. Actually the court sent me forms to fill and submit before 20/06/11 and in this forms there is a option to choose regarding Mediation and I believe this is the service which you used and thats'y I like to take your advise that shall I click on this option? or just fill the forms and covering letter and go for hearing? what do you think what will be the better way?
Regards