Thursday's Letters to the Editor

As a resident near Sand Dune Park since 1981, I have seen an amazing transformation over the years and the controversy was addressed in 2002 with improvements made in 2003 as mentioned in the article .

[TomFromPV]

And of course Greg Moran parrots Democrat talking points. The bottom line with ObamaCare is that one is FORCED into it. You either join, pay a fine, or go to jail.

If ObamaCare is so damned great, why do people have to be forced into it?

[Sad State]

TomFromPV wrote:

And of course Greg Moran parrots Democrat talking points. The bottom line with ObamaCare is that one is FORCED into it. You either join, pay a fine, or go to jail.
If ObamaCare is so damned great, why do people have to be forced into it?

And why won't Obama and congress accept the program for themselves? If they don't want it, I don't want it. Especially after they raise our taxes even higher to pay for it.

[Indy]

TomFromPV wrote:

And of course Greg Moran parrots Democrat talking points. The bottom line with ObamaCare is that one is FORCED into it. You either join, pay a fine, or go to jail.
If ObamaCare is so damned great, why do people have to be forced into it?

Spoken by a true moron.

[Barry Obama]

Indy wrote:

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Spoken by a true moron.

Actually that would be you.

[NO to OBAMACARE]

What stunningly ignorant comments from Greg Moron. I could easily rebut every single point he makes but for the sake of brevity, let's just state the fact is that polling shows most Americans ARE satisfied with their health care plans and the far left ideologue Obama IS trying to ram his (i.e. liberal Congressional Democratic) scheme through before citizens are able to adequately read and anaylze it (as what happened with his "stimulus" spending scheme).

[No Monday Morning QBs]

polling shows most Americans ARE satisfied with their health care plans and the far left ideologue Obama IS trying to ram his (i.e. liberal Congressional Democratic) scheme through before citizens are able to adequately read and anaylze it (as what happened with his "stimulus" spending scheme).
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What polling are you referring to? Not the 72% poll of Americans that say they want a public option. The insurance companies are not only crushing families, they are killing BUSINESS by their high premiums.

People, stop and think about things and dont pay attention to talk radio. The minute you lose your job and you, your spouse, or your god forbid one of your kids gets an illness, you are out of luck. Get ready for insurance premiums at $1,000+/month or more for you and your family.

BTW, every argument like this was made when Medicare was being debated,and you dont see the elderly up in arms about their care..and or the vets that get treatment at VA, and you dont see them turning it down either.

[No Monday Morning QBs]

Actually, let me correct that. $1,000+/month in premiums if you are all healthy. You cant get insurance if one of you has an illness, aka preexisting condition.

[Stacy]

Here are polls that rebut Greg Moran's and "No Monday Morning QBs" clueless statements:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/public_opini...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm...

http://www.gallup.com/tag/Healthcare.aspx

[No Monday Morning QBs]

Stacy wrote:

Here are polls that rebut Greg Moran's and "No Monday Morning QBs" clueless statements:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/public_opini...
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm...
http://www.gallup.com/tag/Healthcare.aspx

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Just curious, Stacy, why werent you complaining when Bush's Medicare Drug plan giveaway to the drug companies was enacted a couple of years ago, which helped blow a hole in the budget?

Is your complaint political or legitimately backed by facts? Also, do you have health insurance and how much do you pay? Do you have employees and pay for their health insurance with huge premium increases every year? Im a business owner and health insurance premium increases are crushing me.

[Stacy]

No Monday Morning QBs wrote:

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Just curious, Stacy, why werent you complaining when Bush's Medicare Drug plan giveaway to the drug companies was enacted a couple of years ago, which helped blow **** in the budget?
Is your complaint political or legitimately backed by facts? Also, do you have health insurance and how much do you pay? Do you have employees and pay for their health insurance with huge premium increases every year? Im a business owner and health insurance premium increases are crushing me.

How convenient (and ludicrus) for you to assume what I do and don't complain about! FYI, I have continuously spoken out against 'Bush's Medicare Drug plan giveaway'. It is just another entitlement program. I also continuously speak out against employers paying for medical insurance. I have consistently and continuously stated that health care is the individual's responsibility. But based on your uninformed diatribe, you seem to think everyone else should pay for your health care! You want socialism? Move to a socialist country!

[Stacy]

Is there a "right" to health care?

Read this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

[Stacy]

More on Obamacare......

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

[flawed reform]

Thank you Stacy for your informative posts.

Every day, we're learning more about how horrendously flawed, irresponsible, and downright dangerous the Obama/Democratic health care plan is.

For example, the House Democratic Health-Care Bill would establish "Medical Homes" for the elderly and disabled that would not require a physician to be on the staff. This could very well lead to restrictions on which treatments may be used for certain conditions.

This pilot program targets Medicare beneficiaries who have a high medical “risk score” or who require regular monitoring, advising or treatment. This currently applies to more than 22 million Americans, according to Kaiser Family Foundation statistics.

Just a hunch, but I bet that Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi and other wealthy liberal elites would not put their elderly family members into one of these "Medical Homes."

[No Monday Morning QBs]

Stacy wrote:

Is there a "right" to health care?
Read this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

Stacy, I seem to have touched a nerve there, but you didnt answer my questions about whether you have ever run a business or dealt with purchasing health insurance for employees so by your lack of response, so I would guess no.

Im sure you would have great employees working for you when you speak out against employer health insurance. Get ready to lose all of them to your competitors that offer insurance. Im sure everyone will want to spend $20K+/year on health insurance for their families, that is if they can get it. I dont want others to pay for my insurance--I just dont want to pay for the sales and marketing costs of companies like United Healthcare that made $859 million last quarter in profits.

Nice article by Dalrymple (a psychiatrist that spends lots of time in the ER!), who by his other writings, is clearly politically biased, and nonetheless on the opinion page of the Journal, which is another political hack piece. Take a look at our country's ranking by WHO for health care delivery...36th in the world, behind Slovenia and socialist Cuba..nice ranking.

As for me being for socialism, "How convenient (and ludicrus--it's ludicrous btw) for you to assume" that I am a socialist. I bet I'm more capitalist than you will ever be. Ever started three businesses and taken two of them public? I bet not...Just throw out the socialist label when all else fails to scare people of the socialist boogeyman.

Even conservatives in other countries support health care for all. Is food and clothing a right? Yes, it is philosophical, and I support it.

[No Monday Morning QBs]

Stacy wrote:

More on Obamacare......
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

KARL ROVE!!! Great source, along with Fox News!

Ever get your information from anything that isnt News Corp owned (Fox News and WSJ)? Oh, Newsmax maybe!

[Stacy]

No Monday Morning QBs wrote:

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KARL ROVE!!! Great source, along with Fox News!
Ever get your information from anything that isnt News Corp owned (Fox News and WSJ)? Oh, Newsmax maybe!

You are real good with insults but pathetic on facts.

[Stacy]

No Monday Morning QBs wrote:

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Take a look at our country's ranking by WHO for health care delivery...36th in the world, behind Slovenia and socialist Cuba..nice ranking.

"The Grass Is Not Always Greener: A Look at National Health Care Systems Around the World"
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php...

"WHO's Fooling Who? The World Health Organization's Problematic Ranking of Health Care Systems"
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php...

[Joy]

Health Care Overhaul Bill H3200

PG 22: Mandates that the federal government will audit books of all employers who self insure
PG 30, Sec 123: Establishes a government committee that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
PG 29, Lines 4-16: Directly rations health care for the elderly.
PG 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you.
PG 50, Section 152: Extends benefits and coverage to illegal immigrants.
PG 58: The creation of a national ID health card and a comprehensive federal database containing streaming data on every American's personal financial records.
PG 59: The federal government accesses your bank accounts for mandatory funds transfers.
PG 65, Sec 164: Creates special, federally-subsidized coverage for Unions and "Community Organizing" groups.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Dictates the benefits packages of all private health insurance plans.
PG 85, Line 7: Limits what private insurers can offer (rationed care).
PG 91, Lines 4-7: Mandates that health care providers pay for interpreters for illegal immigrants.
Pg 95, Lines 8-18: The mandatory use of ACORN and Americorps for signing up Americans to government insurance.
PG 85, Line 7: Imposes more limits on coverage (rationing).
PG 102, Lines 12-18: Mandates Medicare for all who fit criteria (removes all choice).
PG 124, Lines 24-25: Bans companies from suing the federal government, bans the entire judicial system from hearing any cases on the legitimacy of this blatantly unconstitutional socialist health care
takeover (no judicial review allowed whatsoever).
PG 127, Lines 1-16: Instructs doctors/AMA on what salaries they are allowed to make.
PG 145, Line 15-17: Requires all employers to enroll all new employees in the government system (no choice whatsoever).
PG 126, Lines 22-25: Requires employers to independently provide insurance for part-time workers, whether they can afford it or not (no choice).
PG 149, Lines 16-24: Imposes an 8% payroll tax penalty for any employer (making over $400k) who fails to force his employees onto government insurance.
PG 150, Lines 9-13: Employers making between $251k and $400k pay 2-6% penalty.
PG 167, Lines 18-23: Imposes 2.5% income tax penalty on any privately-insured individual who fails to get "adequate" private insurance.
PG 170, Lines 1-3: Stipulates that all non-resident aliens pay nothing (we foot the bill).

[Joy]

PG 195: Federal officers will have full access to every citizen's most private records.
Pg 239, Line 14-24: Rations Medicaid services for low-income Seniors.
Pg 241, Line 6-8: Mandates that all doctors be paid the same, regardless of specialty.
PG 253, Line 10-18: Imposes federally-determined price tag for the worth of every doctor's time and services.
PG 265, Sec 1131: Imposes controls on productivity for private health care companies.
PG 268, Sec 1141: Imposes regulations on rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
PG 272, SeC. 1145: Cancer treatment rationing.
PG 280, Sec 1151: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for "preventable" visits.
PG 298, Lines 9-11: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for readmissions after initial treatment (fix it on the first try or suffer the consequences).
PG 317, Lines 13-20: Prohibits doctors from purchasing or investing in medical care facilities.
PG 321, Line 2-13: Pretends to give hospitals the choice to go fully-federal, but only if local "community" groups (ACORN) approve.
PG 335, Line 16-25, Pg 336-339: Imposes more rationing of services.
PG 341, Lines 3-9: Creates the federal power to arbitrarily disqualify HMOs, forcing people onto government care at random.
PG 354, Sec 1177 - Rationing of care for special needs people.
PG 379, Sec 1191: Creates new Telehealth bureaucracy (nanny state health care by phone).
PG 425, Lines 4-12: Creates mandatory end of life
consultation.
PG 425, Lines 17-19: Mandatory government instruction and consultation on living wills, durable power of attorney, etc.
PG 429, Lines 10-12: Empowers the federal government to order end-of-life plans through something called, "advanced care consultation."
Pg 429, Lines 13-25: Puts the federal government in charge of which doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430, Lines 11-15: Puts the federal government in complete control of what care you receive at the end of your life.

[Joy2]

Health Care Overhaul Bill H3200

PG 195: Federal officers will have full access to every
citizen's most private records.

Pg 239, Line 14-24: Rations Medicaid services for low-income
Seniors.

Pg 241, Line 6-8: Mandates that all doctors be paid the same,
regardless of specialty.

PG 253, Line 10-18: Imposes federally-determined price tag for
the worth of every doctor's time and services.

PG 265, Sec 1131: Imposes controls on productivity for private
health care companies.

PG 268, Sec 1141: Imposes regulations on rental & purchase of
power driven wheelchairs.

PG 272, SeC. 1145: Cancer treatment rationing.

PG 280, Sec 1151: Imposes penalties and fines on private
hospitals for "preventable" visits.

PG 298, Lines 9-11: Imposes penalties and fines on private
hospitals for readmissions after initial treatment (fix it on the first
try or suffer the consequences).

PG 317, Lines 13-20: Prohibits doctors from purchasing or
investing in medical care facilities.

PG 321, Line 2-13: Pretends to give hospitals the choice to go
fully-federal, but only if local "community" groups (ACORN) approve.

PG 335, Line 16-25, Pg 336-339: Imposes more rationing of
services.

PG 341, Lines 3-9: Creates the federal power to arbitrarily
disqualify HMOs, forcing people onto government care at random.

PG 354, Sec 1177 - Rationing of care for special needs people.

PG 379, Sec 1191: Creates new Telehealth bureaucracy (nanny
state health care by phone).

PG 425, Lines 4-12: Creates mandatory end of life
consultation.

PG 425, Lines 17-19: Mandatory government instruction and
consultation on living wills, durable power of attorney, etc.

PG 429, Lines 10-12: Empowers the federal government to order
end-of-life plans through something called, "advanced care
consultation."

Pg 429, Lines 13-25: Puts the federal government in charge of
which doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430, Lines 11-15: Puts the federal government in complete
control of what care you receive at the end of your life.