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Ricky Gervais: Are You Sure Fundamentalist Christianity Is Evil?

There are 3 comments on the Examiner.com story from Aug 16, 2012, titled Ricky Gervais: Are You Sure Fundamentalist Christianity Is Evil?. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

Ricky Gervais, of course, is the British creator of The Office. Gervais tries to contrast "sane" Christians with "evil fundamentalists." I think Gervais is misinformed about history.

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#1 Aug 16, 2012
I want to address some lines from this article and list my own personal view point on it:

"It wasn’t atheists who got rid of Roman emperor worship–it was fundamentalist Christians.
It wasn’t atheists who brought the world out of the darkness of pagan religions–it was fundamentalist Christians.
It wasn’t atheists who caused the blessings of science to explode unto the world scene–it was fundamentalist Christians.
It wasn’t atheists who opposed atheistic communism–it was fundamentalist Christians."

In pre-Christian days, Pagans did use ritual sacrifice, something that is no longer practiced. Even though I don't agree with sacrifice, I do know they didn't do so for "Evil" reasons. Typically, a person would sacifice themselves, and they would burn them and then take the ashes, and spread them over their fields and crops for fertilization, and also with the belief that the spirit of that person would help harvest, you can word it differently with variations, and it wasn't always done, but that's the gist of it

Granted you have bad people out there from all religions and belief systems that do horrible things, Pagans are not evil and dark people, we typically believe that in life, one experiences darkness and light, and one's life should be balanced.

It wasn't Pagans or Atheists that took away people's right to believe in their own religion, and anyone found practicing anything other then Christianity were sentenced to death, it was Christian Fundamentalists

It wasn't Pagans and Atheists who burned down the Pagan temples, it was Christian Fundamentalists

It wasn't Pagans and Atheists who burned sacred books on different religions, it was Christian Fundamentalists

Granted I agree that Sacrifice shouldn't be practiced, however understanding what it actually meant to do so which wasn't for evil reasons, it isn't practiced anymore, couldn't they have just made a law that prohibited them from doing so, rather then prohibit ALL other religions except for Christianity and Catholicism, and burning books, and burning down Pagan Temples? Isn't that a bit much? They want to talk about "darkness" when it comes to religion, they need to take a good look in the mirror, because "darkness" knows NO religion.

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#2 Aug 16, 2012
Pagan Priestess wrote:
I want to address some lines from this article and list my own personal view point on it:
"It wasn’t atheists who got rid of Roman emperor worship–it was fundamentalist Christians.
It wasn’t atheists who brought the world out of the darkness of pagan religions–it was fundamentalist Christians.
It wasn’t atheists who caused the blessings of science to explode unto the world scene–it was fundamentalist Christians.
It wasn’t atheists who opposed atheistic communism–it was fundamentalist Christians."
In pre-Christian days, Pagans did use ritual sacrifice, something that is no longer practiced. Even though I don't agree with sacrifice, I do know they didn't do so for "Evil" reasons. Typically, a person would sacifice themselves, and they would burn them and then take the ashes, and spread them over their fields and crops for fertilization, and also with the belief that the spirit of that person would help harvest, you can word it differently with variations, and it wasn't always done, but that's the gist of it
Granted you have bad people out there from all religions and belief systems that do horrible things, Pagans are not evil and dark people, we typically believe that in life, one experiences darkness and light, and one's life should be balanced.
It wasn't Pagans or Atheists that took away people's right to believe in their own religion, and anyone found practicing anything other then Christianity were sentenced to death, it was Christian Fundamentalists
It wasn't Pagans and Atheists who burned down the Pagan temples, it was Christian Fundamentalists
It wasn't Pagans and Atheists who burned sacred books on different religions, it was Christian Fundamentalists
Granted I agree that Sacrifice shouldn't be practiced, however understanding what it actually meant to do so which wasn't for evil reasons, it isn't practiced anymore, couldn't they have just made a law that prohibited them from doing so, rather then prohibit ALL other religions except for Christianity and Catholicism, and burning books, and burning down Pagan Temples? Isn't that a bit much? They want to talk about "darkness" when it comes to religion, they need to take a good look in the mirror, because "darkness" knows NO religion.
Also, addressing the fact that the only accepted religions back then were Christianity and Catholicism, if any Christian or Catholic were seen experimenting or accepting Pagans and their religion, they weren't sentenced to death like Pagans, however they were beaten in public with clubs....hmmmmm
Arianne Weaver

Hawick, UK

#3 Aug 16, 2012
Also, the Roman Empire wasn't destroyed by Christians. Pagans of a different type (the Germanic tribes, mainly)attacked an Empire already falling apart due to internal power struggles. The Christain Kings tried to keep hold of it as th "holy Roman Empire" - Constantine kept it going in Christian form as a way of hconsolidating power.
What we now call Catholicism was indeed the only permitted form of Christianity allowed in Western Europe for centuries. Thinking for oneself was punishable by death.

"It wasn’t atheists who brought the world out of the darkness of pagan religions–it was fundamentalist Christians" Two points here - what basis is there for believing Pagan religions were and are "dark"? I find mine a lot lighter in all senses of the word than not being allowed to think for myself! Second point is that atheists see all religions as equally benighted in supersition - pot calling kettle black, here?

"There are people who claim to be Christians, yet they reject the Bible as a source of truth, add to or take away from the bibical record..." And exactly which translation are we talking about, here? Who decided which books go in, and which are out? Huge discrepansies, even between "Protestant" versions. I could mention the internal contradictions within the Bible, but I fear we'd be here all day!

"It wasn’t atheists who opposed atheistic communism–it was fundamentalist Christians." I know lots of Atheists and Agnostics who did, and also non-fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist and non- fundamentalist Moslems, Buddhists, Pagans, Jews,.... insert name of group here!

Equality - The last states in the US to remove the law that banned interracial marriage were in the ‘bible belt’(the area in which conservative Christian Evangelical Protestantism is a pervasive or dominant part of the culture). As late as 1959, a couple from Virginia, the bride black, her husband white, were sentenced to one year’s gaol for getting married. In a land settled by the pilgrims that boldly proclaimed ‘liberty and justice for all’, the law stated:‘Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages.’

The Catholic leaders were not the only ones to see the scientists as heretics. Martin Luther said,‘This fool Copernicus wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred Scripture in Joshua 10:13 tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.’ John Calvin quoted Psalm 93 in his attack on Copernicus.‘The earth also is established. It cannot be moved.’ Calvin added,‘Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?’ To all Protestants these men are the founders of their faith but today we must acknowledge that their ‘biblical’ beliefs were in error. These men were fundamentalist Christians.
I could go on (indeed, I have!) but I suspect that the author of the article won't read this!

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