Jehovah's Witnesses Successful Supreme Court Decisions

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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#1 Sep 10, 2012
The Watchtower disciples are well known for thier aggressive litigious nature successfully using the legal and political systems of governments to free themselves and children from threats or actual tribulations, persections and hardships that may be experienced as a result of their religion beliefs.

The Watchtower disciples claim their is a biblical precedent which authorises them to use the legal and political systems.

What i have discovered is what they know or think they know is more grounded in a altered belief than actual fact.

Whether this becomes yet another spectaular failure of the inspired teachings of the Watchtower disciples remains to be seen.

Tenatively, their should be more posts at this link.
jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#2 Sep 12, 2012
Just a cursory search of the scriptures shows no inspired instructions are given by Gods son to his Apostles to formerly use the legal or political systems of the day as the aggressors to retaliate or seek legal protection but rather were to endure it. The context even instructs self representation not even rehearsing before hand what to say.

"Be on ​YOUR​ guard against men; for they will deliver ​YOU​ up to local courts, and they will scourge ​YOU​ in their synagogues. Why, ​YOU​ will be haled before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations...but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved...When they persecute ​YOU​ in one city, flee to another; " Mathew 10:16-24

The watchtower disciples impliedly claim that these orders from King Yeshua(jesus) are abrogated and exercising faith in is not applicable to them.
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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#3 Sep 14, 2012
Even Apostle Paul and Silas acted inaccordance with the above orders from King Yeshua(jesus).

The account shows that a demon possessed one was harassing* Paul and Silas until Paul cast out the spirit from the female which provoked her owners who were making gain from her predictions into making allegations. "These men are disturbing our city very much, they being Jews, and they are publishing customs that it is not lawful for us to take up or practice, seeing we are Romans." And, as a result were beaten with rods and put in prison. Evidently, the Civil Magistrates who ordered the beatings discovered the hidden reason why allegations were made and ordered their release the next day. It was then the magistrates were informed Paul and Silas were Roman citizens implying legal process was violated. So, did Paul or Silas use this incident to make formal complaint and appeal to Caesar's Court demanding justice for the wrongs committed by the lower court.

The account reads they forced the magistrates presence at their release, a brief vist at Lydia's house and departed and journeyed to other citys just as order by their ruling King, King Yeshua,"When they persecute ​YOU​ in one city, flee to another" Acts 16

note: Paul claimed he had been beaten with rods 3 times at 2Cor 11:25 and their is presently no evidence he made formal appeal to the Roman legal system to establish his rights for the wrongs committed.

*Old school scholars have suggested the demon helped in spreading the good
jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#4 Sep 17, 2012
Paul has advance notice that hardships are in his immediate future. Acts 20:23 Acts 21:10-14


In his 1st incident, he is rescued by Roman army Commander Claudius Lysias from being completely beaten to death by a misinformed Jersulam mob then, in Roman custody he defends aginst the misinformation and witness to the crowd which turns violent. Commander Lysias then orders information be extracted from Paul by way of whipping then, Paul lets the subordiante Officer know that legal mistakes are being made. Although, his rights as a Roman were violated he didn't make formal legal issues from it complaining to the courts. Acts 22:25


Paul is then brought before the Sanhedrin, the high court of the Jewish legal system and it appears the majority are aginst him yet some of the scribes stood alone and contened fiercely, saying "we find nothing wrong in this man..." It was after this the commander in fear the majority would kill his uncondemed Roman prisnor went in by force and took Paul from their midst. Although, Paul is an expert in Jewish law he being a Pharisee, no legal issues were made from the beating he got from the mob. Acts 22:3 Acts 23:9


That night inspired instructions are given for Paul to go to Rome. Acts 23:11


The Army commander has Paul brought from Jersulam to Caescre's to stand before Governor Felix which he does and no verdict is given and later he witnesses to Felix in the presence of others. Acts 24:24


When Governor Porcius Festus takes Felixs place the matter is fast tracked and Pauls Jewish accusers are unable to produce evidence. Although, both Paul and Festus know Paul won the case, for political reasons he offers Paul opprotunity to be tried in Jersulam but declines and on the surface appeals most likely on the bases of subject matter jurisdiction since the court had yet to make a decision, " I am standing before the Judgement seat of Caesar, where I ought to be judged...I appeal to Caesar". The conclusion of King Agrippa, a believer in the prophets is Paul is innocent and could have been released hadn't he appealed to Rome. Acts 25:10-12

The Watchtower disciples claim when Paul excerised his Roman right to the "appeals request" is what gives them the scriptual right to use the legal systems of goverments unabridged as Defendants or Plantiffs in securing freedom of Relgion, conscience and as a consequence relive themselves from hardships, persercution and tribulations.
jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#5 Sep 19, 2012
"...It is altogether right of me to think this regarding all of YOU,on account of my having YOU in my heart, all of YOU being sharers with me in the undeserved kindness, both in my [prison] bonds and in the defending and legally establishing(bebaioo) of the good news..." Phillipians 1:7 New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

The above is yet another silver bullet the Watchtower disciples will quickly point to as justification for using legal systems of government. Is this Paul's idea.

The idea Paul is forwarding is the Philippians share in the results of his "defending and confirmation of the goodnews" prior to standing before Caesor's court.

In his "defending and confirmation of the goodnews" Caesor's elite Praetorian guard and others are informed why he is in their custody probably, what the contorverys are, Jews allegations and why violently opposed. In addition, it sounds as if his message or witness to these gentils meet with success. Phil 1:12, 13

"and most of the brothers in the Lord, feeling confident by reason of my prison bonds, are showing all the more courage to speak the word of God fearlessly." Phil 1:14

note: The Watchtower editor's of Phillipians 1:7 used the defintion of the root word instead of the word that appears in the inspired greek text which is bebaiosis meaning Confirmation, to produce confidence, inaddition the english word "legally" was add to the text. In short a mistake layered with a mistake.

Non-judical examples of Pauls defence and confirmation of the good news Acts 17:2,3, 18:5, 19, 22:1
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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#6 Sep 21, 2012
What it comes down to is...the leadership and its Watchtower disciples are not in subjection to the orders of King Yeshua which requires his subjects to flee when persecuted, self representation without advance preparation for the purpose of a witness or inaccordance with Pauls example.

Presently, their is no evidence whether biblical or other Paul formally complained to the courts when his rigts were violated. It's true he defended himself but, never made his Commandment Rights, "You must not testify falsely as a witness against your fellow man" a subject of litigation or make it more important than his mission. Even when he excersised his Roman right to request an "appeal" was done not to defend his Roman or Jewish rights but for the sole purpose of a wintessing.

With the Watchtower disciples it's all about their "Liberty Rights" and being in a state of protection from tribulations and persercutions. They even bragg about it on the internet.

...paragraphs can be re-worded but it won't change the heart of a people.
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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#7 Oct 9, 2012
Strange. The Watchtower disciples attempts to justify the out come of court decision by citing Romans 13:1-3 that "they are their to protect Gods people" is in total disregard of King Yeshuas orders and the example of Paul. Romans 13 in no way encourages litigation, the use of legal systems and certainly not political systems.

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"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers..." Romans 13:1-

In context, Paul is warning members of this congergation not to oppose but give what the authorities require of them* that this is their protection from the "sword" which they clearly intend to use. In addition, members will not oppose Government(s) divine authority over "the one practicing what is bad".

*Romans 13:5-8
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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#8 Oct 24, 2012
Marci Hamilton is a Constitutional Lawyer and made the following obseravtions

QUOTE: "The Jehovah's Witnesses religious organization is rightly credited with establishing important free speech precedent in the United States..."

It is extraordinarily ironic, then, that the Jehovah's Witnesses have recently, in Denmark, taken the position that speech, including speech by the press, should be punished and suppressed. It appears that when the topic is alleged clergy abuse within the organization, its position on freedom of speech makes a 180-degree turn. Apparently, the Jehovah's Witnesses support free speech for themselves, but not for their critics.

QUOTE: "The case began when, in Fall 2004, one of Denmark's largest newspapers, Ekstra Bladet, ran a series of newspaper articles regarding credible allegations of sexual molestation within the Jehovah's Witnesses, and of a cover-up....The local Jehovah's Witnesses Branch Office Committee, composed of seven members who govern the organization, sued the newspaper, Ekstra Bladet, and its Chief Editor, Bent Falbert, for slander....The court reasoned that the topics addressed were newsworthy, and a matter of public interest, and that the stories discussing these topics contained legitimate legal analysis."[meaning an unsuccessful Defedant]

Generally, Business's of Religion have legal rights to sue absent abuse of process but is such use of legal systems as aggressor Plaintiff-Complainant in accordance with values and ways which the scriptures impart.

Based on information available, 1st century christians and outstanding examples such as Apostle Paul never, as a victim, acted as the aggressor Plaintiff-Complainant taking advantage of legal rights in starting litigation against another entity.

When defamatory things were made against Paul his response dosen't appear to include weighing rights granted by superior authority(s) but rather, "...when being defamed we entreat..." Likewise, Gods son, King Yeshua(jesus) remained committed to his Father in the face of such, revilings.

"Appealing" to the legal systems of the nations as Plaintiff-Complainant is incompatable with the value and ways of a citizen of God's Government.
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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#9 Nov 10, 2012
The offical decree of the Governingbody of Jehovah's Witnesses.

QUOTE: When Paul sees that he may yet fall into their hands, he tells Roman Governor Festus: "I appeal to Caesar!" Acts 25:11

By appealing to a higher legal authority, Paul set a precedent for true Christians today. When opposers try to "frame trouble by decree, "Jehovah's Witnesses avail themselves of legal provisions to defend the good news Ps 94:20 END OF QUOTE

The Governingbodys decree is without merit.

When Governor Festus offered Paul the option to go to Jersulam to be Judged all Paul had to do was decline and he was a free man. The Jews were unable to prove their allegations even as King Agrippa remarked: "this man could have been set frre had he not appealed to Rome"

So why did Paul "appeal". "...the following night the Lord stood by me and said: "Be of goood courage! For as you have been giving a through witness on the things about me in Jersulam, so you must also bear witness in Rome." Acts 23:11

QUOTE: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009073

11:54 AM PST 11.10.12
jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#10 Jan 9, 2013
What do you know about Christian Litigation?


A prominent example of Christian litigation is that of the Apostle Paul who considered himself happy before King Agrippa,“because I know thee to be an expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews.” Having acquired an in depth knowledge and understanding in the back drop of a case can certainly have a beneficial effect upon the state of mind of a litigant when the controversies and why the Jews were violently jealous of the Christians and their message are known by the public servant. Acts 26:3



King Yeshua whom the peoples of the religions call by the defective name Jesus gave orders to his disciples how they should conduct themselves during the course of their ministry and when brought into the legal systems as defendant/Respondent they were required to self-represent without advance preparation for the purpose of a witness. A cursory read of at least the cited scriptures it becomes apparent judicials and others would hear inspired* audible communications from the God of all the nations. Mathew 10:5, 17-20

When persecuted they were to “flee to another city” Mathew 10:23



Corporate religion relies heavily upon Paul’s legal adventures where he defended himself before Roman Judicials then made an illogical appeal request to Caesars Court. The business of religion has broaden the “appeal” to include initiating litigation as the aggressor Plaintiff-Complainant even going as far as complaining to political institutions** when their rights are violated unlike the Apostle Paul who never made formal complaint against any public servant. Acts 16:37 Acts 22:25



This is kind’ a thin but, although, Paul is an expert in Jewish law he being a Pharisee he did not use his presence before the Sanhedrin, the High Court of the Jewish legal system to complain about the violation of his Jewish rights or the violence suffered at the hands of the Jews. Acts 21:32 2Corinthians 11:23 Acts 22:3, 30



To me it doesn’t sound too outlandish in offering the aggrieved Christians the opportunity to be tried in accordance with the orders King Yeshiva proscribed in connection with his Father and their God.


*Luke 21: 14, 15
**Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights


associated link: The Offical Decree of the Governingbody of Jehovah's Witnesses. http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TS2CCM882...
jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#11 Jan 29, 2013
"Festus desiring to gain favor with the Jews, said in reply to Paul: Do you wish to go up to Jerusalem and be judged there before me concerning these things?" But Paul said: I am standing before the judgement seat of Caesar where I ought to be judged. I have done no wrong to the Jews, as you also are finding out quite well. If on the one hand, I am really a wrongdoer and have commmitted anything deserving of death, I do not beg off from dying, if on the other hand, none of those things exist of which these men accuse me, no man can hand me over to them as a favor. I appeal to Caesar!" Acts 25:9

A cursory read of the above account a person might conclude Paul "appealed" to avoid a conspiracy between Governor Festus and the Jews to have him sent to Jerusalem meaning imminent death. Festus although a politician wasn't one who hated justice since he declined the Jewish leaders request to have the case moved and instead followed Roman Law or due process. In addition, Festus could have easily declined Pauls appeal and shipped him off to Jerusalem*. Acts 25:3-5, Acts 25:15, 16, Acts 25:12

During trial the Jews failed to prove their case obligating Governor Festus to release him but Festus for political reasons offers Paul a trip to Jerusalem probably to pacify the Jews, at least he attempted it and all Paul had to do was decline the offer and he could have been a free man but Paul makes an illogical "appeal" request to Caesar's Court and in the request he indicates Festus became aware he was decieved by the Jews when he said "I have done no wrong to the Jews, as you [Festus] also are finding out quite well" Acts 25:10

When speaking with King Agrippa about the case Governor Festus acknowledged the Jews mislead him about Paul "...taking the stand the accusers produced no charges of the wicked things I had supposed concerning him" Acts 25:18

After Paul's defence before King Agrippa, the King concluded, "this man could have been released if he had not appealed to Caesar." Acts 26:32

In Rome Paul spoke with the Jews and in part gave an accounting of what happened during trial before Roman Governor Festus including the out come "...these after making an examination were desirous of releasing me, as their was no cause for death in me. But when the Jews kept speaking against it, I was compelled to appeal to Caesar, but not as though I had anything of which to accuse my nation" Acts 28:18, 19

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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#12 Jan 29, 2013
Whether there are unrecorded communications in between Festus offer to Jerusalem and Pauls appeal or if the mere offer is a result of the Jews speaking against his release in either case it speaks to when he appealed rather than why. Think of it like this, the complaining Jews and the legal reasons for the appeal are secondary to his motive.

So what explains Paul's illogical request. It comes back to the ministerial orders and commands King Yeshua gave his disciples that they were to rely upon the spirit that dwells within. With this in mind that Pauls "appeal" request was given and compelled by the spirit which the son spoke in connection with was Gods chosen way for him to go deprived of his human or freedom rights. Mathew 10:17, 20, 23 Acts 23:11

The Watchtowers teaching the "appeal" incident is a legal precedant to be followed means its the policey of the Jehovah's Witnesses Corportaion(s) to litigate any thing which encroaches upon what they believe is their human or freedom rights. Such expressions and practices set aside King Yeshua's ministerial orders, the example Paul followed closely.

Should the unprecedant success the Jehovah's Witnesses have enjoyed among the legal systems of the USA and their accomplishments abroad be viewed as a thing of pride and prestige signifying Gods approval or do the accomplishments evidence they may be having a part in fulfilling biblical prophecy as the prophetic workers of lawlessness. Mathew 7:23

*John 19:10
note: the appeal may have been benefical for Festus rapport with the Jewish leaders since the decision was out of his hands.

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jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#13 Jan 29, 2013
"Festus desiring to gain favor with the Jews, said in reply to Paul: Do you wish to go up to Jerusalem and be judged there before me concerning these things?" But Paul said: I am standing before the judgement seat of Caesar where I ought to be judged. I have done no wrong to the Jews, as you also are finding out quite well. If on the one hand, I am really a wrongdoer and have commmitted anything deserving of death, I do not beg off from dying, if on the other hand, none of those things exist of which these men accuse me, no man can hand me over to them as a favor. I appeal to Caesar!" Acts 25:9



A cursory read of the above account a person might conclude Paul "appealed" to avoid a conspiracy between Governor Festus and the Jews to have him sent to Jerusalem meaning imminent death. Festus although a politician wasn't one who hated justice since he declined the Jewish leaders request to have the case moved and instead followed Roman Law or due process. In addition, Festus could have easily declined Pauls appeal and shipped him off to Jerusalem. Acts 25:3-5, Acts 25:15, 16, Acts 25:12



During trial the Jews failed to prove their case obligating Governor Festus to release him but Festus for political reasons offers Paul a trip to Jerusalem probably to pacify the Jews, at least he attempted it and all Paul had to do was decline the offer and he could have been a free man but Paul makes an illogical "appeal" request to Caesar's Court and in the request he indicates Festus became aware he was decieved by the Jews when he said "I have done no wrong to the Jews, as you [Festus] also are finding out quite well" Acts 25:10



When speaking with King Agrippa about the case Governor Festus acknowledged the Jews mislead him about Paul "...taking the stand the accusers produced no charges of the wicked things I had supposed concerning him" Acts 25:18



After Paul's defence before King Agrippa, the King concluded, "this man could have been released if he had not appealed to Caesar." Acts 26:32

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