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Poland's Lipka Tatars: A Model For Muslims In Europe?

There are 52 comments on the Weekday Magazine story from Jul 29, 2013, titled Poland's Lipka Tatars: A Model For Muslims In Europe?. In it, Weekday Magazine reports that:

BIALYSTOK, Poland -- The darkish tint in Bronislaw Talkowski's otherwise rosy cheeks provides just a slight hint that his ancestral roots may reach back further to the east.

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Clear Dharma

UK

#1 Jul 30, 2013
The Rzeczpospolita was a diverse multicultural, multi-religious, multinational organization which rewarded loyalty with citizenship. The Lipka Tartars are a clear reminder of that promise being kept even through troubled times.

Assimilation and loyalty are the key lessons learned in Poland ...
CharlesBuchinsky

Brewster, NY

#2 Jul 30, 2013
Likpa Tatars = Best Muslims in the world!!

Charles Bronson Buchinsky= Lipka Tatar!!!

Bad Lipka Tatar!!???

Which Muslim population has one such notable famous as Charles Bronson Buchinsky without having notable bad famous!?

Lipka Tatars were extremely loyal to Poland even in the Battle of Vienna they had fought against their relatives the Islamic Ottoman Turks & their extremely close relatives the Crimean Tatars.

They had fought for Poland in WW1 & WW2 & almost all wars.

Truth is many Lipka Tatars would probably fight with Polish against invading or aggressive Muslims from other places like the ones from Arabia behind the Warsaw Mosque
CharlesBuchinsky

Brewster, NY

#3 Jul 30, 2013
Actually Lipka Tatars are probably an Asset for Poland today.

Since Lipka Tatars are the most dominant Islamic population in Poland for thousands of years.

Their often Polish moderate attitudes could tell more aggressive Islamic invaders of Multiculturalism within to cool it
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Do so from within the Islamic community.
polski kielbasa

West Palm Beach, FL

#4 Jul 31, 2013
So Limpy is a Mongol Tatar? I had him pegged as being Jewish. Obviously he is no slavic European.
Clear Dharma

London, UK

#5 Jul 31, 2013
CharlesBuchinsky wrote:
Likpa Tatars = Best Muslims in the world!!
Charles Bronson Buchinsky= Lipka Tatar!!!
Bad Lipka Tatar!!???
Which Muslim population has one such notable famous as Charles Bronson Buchinsky without having notable bad famous!?
Lipka Tatars were extremely loyal to Poland even in the Battle of Vienna they had fought against their relatives the Islamic Ottoman Turks & their extremely close relatives the Crimean Tatars.
They had fought for Poland in WW1 & WW2 & almost all wars.
Truth is many Lipka Tatars would probably fight with Polish against invading or aggressive Muslims from other places like the ones from Arabia behind the Warsaw Mosque
Charles Bronson was one cool dude.
polski kielbasa

West Palm Beach, FL

#6 Jul 31, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
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Charles Bronson was one cool dude.
The man who inspired both Bernie Goetz and George Zimmerman to...
Pro Ukraine

UK

#7 Jul 31, 2013
CharlesBuchinsky wrote:
Likpa Tatars = Best Muslims in the world!!
Charles Bronson Buchinsky= Lipka Tatar!!!
Bad Lipka Tatar!!???
Which Muslim population has one such notable famous as Charles Bronson Buchinsky without having notable bad famous!?
Lipka Tatars were extremely loyal to Poland even in the Battle of Vienna they had fought against their relatives the Islamic Ottoman Turks & their extremely close relatives the Crimean Tatars.
They had fought for Poland in WW1 & WW2 & almost all wars.
Truth is many Lipka Tatars would probably fight with Polish against invading or aggressive Muslims from other places like the ones from Arabia behind the Warsaw Mosque
He's Lithuanian, not Polish.
Grunwald1410Klus hino1610

Brewster, NY

#8 Jul 31, 2013
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>He's Lithuanian, not Polish.
Does Buchinsky sound Lithuanian to you!?

Does his mother's surname Valinsky sound Lithuanian to you!?

Lithuanian surnames don't end in "Ski / Sky / Ske"

A lot of Lithuanian surnames end with a S.

It is debatable what Buchinksky / Valinsky surnames might be exactly but what is not debatable is that it is Slavic!!!

I am not sure maybe it is Polish maybe Belarussian.

I certainly never denied Lithuanian heritage either.

... There are Polish & other ethnicities in Lithuania.

Robert Burneika is from Lithuania & a famous bodybuilder but he speaks Polish & considers himself Polish as his first ethnicity.
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..........However Charles Bronson is of Lipka Tatar or "Polish Tatar orgins)
Grunwald1410Klus hino1610

Brewster, NY

#9 Jul 31, 2013
polski kielbasa wrote:
So Limpy is a Mongol Tatar? I had him pegged as being Jewish. Obviously he is no slavic European.
Tatars aren't Mongols they speak a Turkic language.

But... They are fairly White.... They are probably not racially Turkic..... Kakazhstan is probably the most racially Turkic.

IMO... Tatars are mostly just Scythians who had become Turkic speakers probably with Atilla the Hun & the Khazars onto the Kipchak Khanate which splintered into the Tatar Crimean Khabate,
Odin of Ossetia

Surrey, Canada

#10 Jul 31, 2013
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>He's Lithuanian, not Polish.
He was Tatar or half-Tatar.

Certainly not Lithuanian.
fyi

Seattle, WA

#11 Aug 1, 2013
CharlesBuchinsky wrote:
Likpa Tatars = Best Muslims in the world!!
Charles Bronson Buchinsky= Lipka Tatar!!!
Bad Lipka Tatar!!???
Which Muslim population has one such notable famous as Charles Bronson Buchinsky without having notable bad famous!?
Lipka Tatars were extremely loyal to Poland even in the Battle of Vienna they had fought against their relatives the Islamic Ottoman Turks & their extremely close relatives the Crimean Tatars.
They had fought for Poland in WW1 & WW2 & almost all wars.
Truth is many Lipka Tatars would probably fight with Polish against invading or aggressive Muslims from other places like the ones from Arabia behind the Warsaw Mosque
Jews have always been loyal to Poland as well!
Pro Ukraine

UK

#12 Aug 1, 2013
Odin of Ossetia wrote:
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He was Tatar or half-Tatar.
Certainly not Lithuanian.
His mother was Lithuanian, his father Lithuanian Tatar.
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#13 Aug 1, 2013
fyi wrote:
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Jews have always been loyal to Poland as well!
Fry, this is a half-truth. There were many Polish Jews who were loyal to Poland and fought over Poland shoulder to shoulder with Poles.

But many of Jews especialy the incoming from the East (Tsarist Russia) didn't assimilate, didn't know the language and were hostile towards Poles. Largely this was a result of Russian policy to set local neighbours at variance and this way weaken Poland. This policy has been used by Polish enemies not only Russians but also Germans for centuries.

READ MORE:
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/TV2MVRT5KI26...

I won't mention the Jewish contribution to implementing criminal communism in Poland. Many of the butchers have lived with impunity till now in Israel and have been protected by the Israeli law.
Clear Dharma

London, UK

#14 Aug 1, 2013
I support that statement Matrix.

It is clear that many Jews were fully integrated in Polish society and felt themselves as nothing other than Polish.

Whereas there was also an element who were politically orfinancially motivated to take the side of the enemy, and behave as a spy in the camp. This is made doubly tempting by the fact they would have German-Jews or Russian-Jews to ally with, and to be encouraged by. Unfortunate.

This is why the Lipka Tartars in coming out in the battle in Vienna for Poland, and against their own religion Islam is such a notable sign of loyalty to the Country that was their home.

Note that they had full rights in Poland to live and worship as they chose to. As did the Jews. There was never any coersion by the Polish State to change their way of life or beliefs. Even in the face of Populist wishes and desires.

Their example, and that of the Polish State is most applicable to religious minorities in both Europe and the USA.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#15 Aug 1, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
The Rzeczpospolita was a diverse multicultural, multi-religious, multinational organization which rewarded loyalty with citizenship. The Lipka Tartars are a clear reminder of that promise being kept even through troubled times.
Assimilation and loyalty are the key lessons learned in Poland ...
Common wealth was a prison of nations and filthy empire.
These Tartars raided Ukraine, killed, robbed, enslaved and sold to Ottoman empire so called citizens.
Clear Dharma

London, UK

#16 Aug 1, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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Common wealth was a prison of nations and filthy empire.
These Tartars raided Ukraine, killed, robbed, enslaved and sold to Ottoman empire so called citizens.
You're getting your Tartars and periods in history all mixed up. And there weren't any Ukrainians around at the time.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#17 Aug 1, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
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You're getting your Tartars and periods in history all mixed up. And there weren't any Ukrainians around at the time.
Really? And who there were then? Martians?
Clear Dharma

London, UK

#18 Aug 1, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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Really? And who there were then? Martians?
I'd rather support Martians than Soviets.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#19 Aug 1, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
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I'd rather support Martians than Soviets.
Who cares what would you rather support moron?
Don`t deflect from a straight question.
Clear Dharma

London, UK

#20 Aug 1, 2013
You're still in a world where the Golden Horde is attacking your women and creating little half caste boys and girls.

I think that's nice.

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