Pope says condoms justified to stop AIDS

Full story: TwinCities.com

Pope Benedict XVI clearly acknowledged Tuesday that the need to prevent diseases like AIDS could outweigh the church's long opposition to the use of condoms.

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Prairiedoggy

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So this is great news for Catholics....they can use a condom any time they want, so long as they say it's to prevent AIDS.

I think the same arguement could be made for gay marriage: "I want to marry a man, in order to prevent infecting a woman with AIDS".

Once again, the Catholic Church after saying it's beliefs are cast in stone (tablets), manages to adjust them for the times.
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It should help the priests from spreading AIDS to alter boys.
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I never thought the pope would open that door.....
ugh

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It's a catch-22 for the Catholic Church. The doctrine states that sex is for pro-creation only, therefore condoms and any other form of contraception is forbidden. Whether you believe in that concept is not relevant. That is their stance. Why they should be condemned for their beliefs is absurd. When the pope tries to get with the times and make allowances for this deadly disease his is criticized. What do you want from them. It is a big step to allow this and when they forbid it they also get flak for being ignorant of the times.
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While it's nice to see this article at least get this somewhat correct, I am amazed at the outright mis-information campaign in place to use the Pope words from a book (written by someone else) to claim this as change in Catholic teaching.

For one thing (as this article correctly points out), this is NOT a change in the teaching of Catholic Church on sexual morality. If the Church were to modify its teachings in this area, it certainly would not do so via a book, but rather an official Vatican decree such as a Papal encyclical. This is exactly what the Church published when it re-emphasized its ban on artificial contraception in 1968; the name of the encyclical is Humanae Vitae.

Until (and unless) such an encyclical is published, there will be no change in Church teaching.

The idea that the Pope's words in this book somehow legitimize condom use by the faithful Catholics is ridiculous beyond words, and anyone who knows how the Catholic Church hands down such teachings knows that. To listen to Fuller or most of the mass media reporting this, the Pope not only legitimized condom use, but sex outside of marriage, homosexual sex and any other sex for which a condom could be put to use.

So sorry, but nothing could be further from the truth. Leave it to Jesuits like Fuller to try to manipulate this into something they want to have happen. Once again, they are going to be sorely disappointed.
Frank W

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Prairiedoggy wrote:
So this is great news for Catholics....they can use a condom any time they want, so long as they say it's to prevent AIDS.
I think the same arguement could be made for gay marriage: "I want to marry a man, in order to prevent infecting a woman with AIDS".
Once again, the Catholic Church after saying it's beliefs are cast in stone (tablets), manages to adjust them for the times.
Uh, no, sorry. This is explained in a previous post. Also, the pope referred to the use of condoms as a "lesser evil". A lesser evil is still an evil nonetheless.
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Prairiedoggy wrote:
So this is great news for Catholics....they can use a condom any time they want, so long as they say it's to prevent AIDS.
I think the same arguement could be made for gay marriage: "I want to marry a man, in order to prevent infecting a woman with AIDS".
Once again, the Catholic Church after saying it's beliefs are cast in stone (tablets), manages to adjust them for the times.
Wrong. Contraception is always a sin. Disease prophylaxis is not. Simple. Its the intention that counts. God cannot be fooled and will know the intent anyway. Nothing has changed as it was never cast in stone anyway. Dont trust the media for your opinions on the Church of Christ. At least read its own documents on the subject first before coming to your conclusion.
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Nov 24, 2010
 
Prairiedoggy wrote:
So this is great news for Catholics....they can use a condom any time they want, so long as they say it's to prevent AIDS.
I think the same arguement could be made for gay marriage: "I want to marry a man, in order to prevent infecting a woman with AIDS".
Once again, the Catholic Church after saying it's beliefs are cast in stone (tablets), manages to adjust them for the times.
The converse would also be true. It would (Ithink) be wrong of a married Catholic couple to engage in any act where there is serious risk of disease transmission. This would be difficult especially if they wanted children but could not have them for that reason, so it is still a challenging teaching.
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Now that the Catholic Church has done their best to eradicate Africans by telling them condoms are evil.

Gee, thanks Pope.
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ugh wrote:
It's a catch-22 for the Catholic Church. The doctrine states that sex is for pro-creation only, therefore condoms and any other form of contraception is forbidden. Whether you believe in that concept is not relevant. That is their stance. Why they should be condemned for their beliefs is absurd. When the pope tries to get with the times and make allowances for this deadly disease his is criticized. What do you want from them. It is a big step to allow this and when they forbid it they also get flak for being ignorant of the times.
So long as the Catholic Church condemns others for their beliefs (or lack of beliefs), they're going to get criticized. Free speech works this way: you say whatever you want about me, and I'm free to disagree and say whatever I want about you. I'd have more respect for the church if they just worried about their own members and stopped trying to entrench their beliefs in our constitution.
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All my Catholic friends have used condoms since they started having sex. The Catholic folks I know pretty much follow the teachings as they deem fit for them. In other words they use their brains, not just blindly follow the church's rules. Smart folks I think.
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sellout........by the way anyone know anyone who is going to change their life style to incoporate condoms because the pope said so
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Why is it so hard to understand that the Catholic Church considers the use of a condom by a married couple a mortal sin because it is the intentional prevention of the creation of a human life? The use of a condom when there is no possibility of creating a human life would not by that reasoning be a sin. I havenít considered myself a Catholic for 40 years and I can understand that.

What I donít understand is why the Pope (or any other Catholic for that matter) would think that a person engaging in a homosexual sex act would care at all about the Popeís opinion about the use of a condom. A person engaging in a homosexual sex act would know that the Church considers the act in and of itself a mortal sin. How much more wrong could be done by the use of a condom?
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What took these people so long. They have and had no right in the first place to try and tell some couple whether or not they can use birth control. That is a personal decision - most priests think they are God. I can't wait for the day that each priest, bishop, arch bishop, pope, has to answer to God for all the corruption in the catholic church.
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The catholic church says sex is for procreation only? oh really, so how does that work when a priest has sex with an alter boy? or some other male? they will answer to God - the word catholic does not deserve to be capitalized. it says there is perfect justice in Heaven - so maybe all the corrupt catholics will be our footstools in Heaven.
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It only took 25 years and millions of deaths. Way to go Pope!
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It is the right thing to do considering the exposing of the molesting/ searchs done by airports and criminal just us systems in every community in America. It will stop the spread of aids by cops and security pervs. This could save millions of our children lives. Like the Pope stated years ago. That GW Bush and his policies are the ways of the anti Christ accourding to the bible. The Pope is protecting God fearing people from the republicans. Thank God. The gop Good old pervs. Hopefully they will suppy cops with free condoms and save our children.

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lol wrote:
It is the right thing to do considering the exposing of the molesting/ searchs done by airports and criminal just us systems in every community in America. It will stop the spread of aids by cops and security pervs. This could save millions of our children lives. Like the Pope stated years ago. That GW Bush and his policies are the ways of the anti Christ accourding to the bible. The Pope is protecting God fearing people from the republicans. Thank God. The gop Good old pervs. Hopefully they will suppy cops with free condoms and save our children.
What's the matter Jerry - are you going to keep repeating your post until someone responds to you? You have NEVER seen anyone EVER agree with you on this forum so just give it a rest and crawl back in your cell.
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E_Fudd wrote:
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What's the matter Jerry - are you going to keep repeating your post until someone responds to you? You have NEVER seen anyone EVER agree with you on this forum so just give it a rest and crawl back in your cell.
If you pulled your head out of there and looked out there is day lite. You will see the majority is bashing cops now that the post are not being deleted every single time. This news media is tired of being known as a corporate lapdog or public relation firm. The facts are interesting to everyone who is human. It just hurts the petifiles with badges. The Pope is now allowing condums in lite of the exposing of the cops and security people using perverts ways and searchs on civlians. He knows it will save childrens lives after perverted cops handle them.

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Big Al wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand that the Catholic Church considers the use of a condom by a married couple a mortal sin because it is the intentional prevention of the creation of a human life? The use of a condom when there is no possibility of creating a human life would not by that reasoning be a sin. I havenít considered myself a Catholic for 40 years and I can understand that.
What I donít understand is why the Pope (or any other Catholic for that matter) would think that a person engaging in a homosexual sex act would care at all about the Popeís opinion about the use of a condom. A person engaging in a homosexual sex act would know that the Church considers the act in and of itself a mortal sin. How much more wrong could be done by the use of a condom?
If you want 15-20 kids and can SUPPORT THEM YOURSELF, go for it. Most couples don't want that many - anything wrong with that?

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