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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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guest

United States

#557144 Aug 26, 2014
guest wrote:
The tithe was instituted to support the Levitical Priesthood and the Jewish Temple. When the Temple was destroyed in 70 CE, the records of the Tribe of Levi were also destroyed. The Priesthood dissolved, so too did the obligation to pay tithes.
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Supporting the Jewish Temple is a far cry from supporting Evangelical Pastors as they live in the lap of luxury and their parishioners are suffering and going hungry. Far too many Evangelicals have made themselves filthy rich in this manner and even flaunting their wealth and declaring they have great wealth because God has 'blessed' them abundantly for their efforts.
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So, the question becomes: To Whom Do the Evangelical Pastors pay THEIR "tithes" to? Themselves? I'll bet if their finances were scrutinized, there would be no record of their paying tithes. And not being of the Levitical Priesthood, they have no legitimate right to collect tithes.
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Remember ...Christ had no place to lay his head and the Apostles, also, were not ones to copy the lifestyle of the Pharisees.
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Oxbow wrote:
I will not play your merry-go-round game...when you can refute this truth...lets talk...any thing else will be trashed...
Tithe: The institution or obligation of paying tithes. A tax or assessment of one tenth.
An obligation is not giving...a tax is not giving...The Scripture you quoted speaks of giving...freely...has nothing to do with tithing...
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I know what a tithe is, and that it is an "obligation" and "not giving" ... & that it is a tax.
But the tithe was a tax imposed to support the Levitical Priesthood and the Jewish Temple. No further burden was put upon Christians, especially at the point in time that the Temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood was no longer in place.
The scriptures you quoted are the ones I used, and the scripture I quoted - which you did not use - pertains to the Christians and not the Jews. Christians were instructed to give freely, and never was a 10% tax imposed.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557145 Aug 26, 2014
Chuck wrote:
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Hank, if they do what does this passage mean?
John 8:31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him,“If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
**so if they walk away from their first love, were they truly disciples?
Chuck,

Conditional.....

"But I have this against you, that you have left your first love...because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."

Why did they leave, Chuck???

Lukewarm....they were NEITHER hot nor cold.....

What are the consequences???

I will spit you out of My mouth.

Since: Jun 10

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#557146 Aug 26, 2014
Robert F wrote:
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Oxbow
Peace
To begin, I think your analogy of a saved person in Christ is like Noah was in the ark, has overreached a bit. There is a typology. But it ends with your statement that "God shut the door".
In fact God did not do so. But it was rather Noah's obedience to what God had said to do, which was part of their salvation, and those of the animals in the ark. Thus to think that one's life is definitively sealed(God has shut the door, or OSAS), is not applicable here.(I admit, that at first it does "sound" good, but, if you examine the scripture on Noah and the Ark, I am sure you will agree, and not really find, that God shut the door..., so to speak. And in light of that, it is because of a presumption you believe it to be so.)
Your scripture, of course can stand alone, but it does not really say that OSAS is in effect. Rather it omits it. To be a new creature in Christ, one has then received a Gift, Jesus Christ, and care must be taken to nurture that Gift within oneself. If on the other hand one does not, and ignores the calling of the Holy Spirit, or one's conscience, then I would agree that one has had a superfluous relationship with Jesus Christ, and drifts away.
Yet some believe that such a superficial relationship with Jesus Christ, once accepted is enough to make them saved forever, because they had some experience in their life. They are more like the crowds often written about in the Gospels that followed Jesus to hear him, but then just went back to their homes and their own way of life.(And they no doubt believed they were better people for having listened, or even "saved" in a sense, but can they really be?)
Peace
"God shut the door" means that God sealed their fate....safety from the flood...

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

What is your definition of "everlasting life"....what does "shall not come into condemnation;" mean?
What does "passed from death unto life" mean??

Since: Jun 10

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#557147 Aug 26, 2014
Chuck....where are you???
Chuck wrote:
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I'll take that as a yes....
And you are hurting the gospel of christ. You are part of the reason there are atheists.
You confess Jesus as Lord and you deny Him with your lifestyle.
You only have to answer to your husband????!!!! Do what???!!!!
I'm glad my wife would never say something that stupid. She knows who she answers to.
What about wine and those who drink it??? Are they hurting the gospel?? What about those who make wine...are they also hurting the gospel????

Ah await your reply....surely you have one...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557148 Aug 26, 2014
Chuck wrote:
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If you don't abide, you were never truly disciples. You don't see that???
Those who are truly Christ's disciples will abide in His Word..
Chuck,

After being a Christian for a while, can't a Christian become entangled in worldly pollution, again???

The Christian can fall from the way of the truth, and (again) become sinners.

"For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are <<<<<again >>>>> entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it ~~~~~to turn~~~~~ from the holy commandment delivered unto them".

Since: Jun 10

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#557149 Aug 26, 2014
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I know what a tithe is, and that it is an "obligation" and "not giving" ... & that it is a tax.
But the tithe was a tax imposed to support the Levitical Priesthood and the Jewish Temple. No further burden was put upon Christians, especially at the point in time that the Temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood was no longer in place.
The scriptures you quoted are the ones I used, and the scripture I quoted - which you did not use - pertains to the Christians and not the Jews. Christians were instructed to give freely, and never was a 10% tax imposed.
I will not play your merry-go-round game...

Since: Jan 08

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#557150 Aug 26, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
Chuck....where are you???
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What about wine and those who drink it??? Are they hurting the gospel?? What about those who make wine...are they also hurting the gospel????
"If you continue in My word
any idea when the USA made wine illegal? DOOFUS, fits you to a tee.lol
guest

United States

#557151 Aug 26, 2014
guest wrote:
I know what a tithe is, and that it is an "obligation" and "not giving" ... & that it is a tax.
But the tithe was a tax imposed to support the Levitical Priesthood and the Jewish Temple. No further burden was put upon Christians, especially at the point in time that the Temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood was no longer in place.
The scriptures you quoted are the ones I used, and the scripture I quoted - which you did not use - pertains to the Christians and not the Jews. Christians were instructed to give freely, and never was a 10% tax imposed.
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Oxbow wrote:
I will not play your merry-go-round game...
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It isn't merry-go-round. And it is not a game. Please, show me where Christians were required to pay 10% tax.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#557152 Aug 26, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
Chuck....where are you???
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What about wine and those who drink it??? Are they hurting the gospel?? What about those who make wine...are they also hurting the gospel????
Ah await your reply....surely you have one...
If you are a Christian who drinks, lets say you have a brother that is an unsaved alcoholic. You are at a family party and you have a beer with him. What will be his response when you tell him he has a drinking problem an he needs Christ as savior.

How quickly do you think he will call you a hypocrite??? Are you hurting the gospel by drinking .......absolutely.

what else do you and Marge need help with????

After reading this, may seem like I have experienced it huh?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557153 Aug 26, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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"Do you know how many people I can bring to Christ???"
No, and neither do you and your money.
Having money in no way relates to or equates to bringing people to Christ.
Having a good personal testimony is all that is required.
Water wells do not lead people to anything spirit related. Avoid flattering yourself over having money to do things.
As a donation to humanitarian projects your contributions are well placed and certainly the people there need good water.
It is not your money which leads people to Christ. It is your personal testimony.
Having money will not lead people to the Great Mystery, the Great Spirit, the flying spaghetti monster, the primordial soup, the Cosmos, nor Buddah or Allah either. ONLY people can do that.
Well, Aquarius, I have to disagree with you here......

Money buys bibles, teaching materials, items for children for the classrooms.....

People in the country of India don't even have homes.....so we could build them a home where other Christians can meet and have fellowship.....we can build small buildings where they can meet and have fellowship (which we have done in numerous places)

Having a well with clean water brings CONVERSATIONS which will lead back to the Body of Christ, which gives many opportunities to study with people and bring them the Gospel of Jesus Christ (which we have also done).....

There are also many more things that can be done.....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557154 Aug 26, 2014
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I know what a tithe is, and that it is an "obligation" and "not giving" ... & that it is a tax.
But the tithe was a tax imposed to support the Levitical Priesthood and the Jewish Temple. No further burden was put upon Christians, especially at the point in time that the Temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood was no longer in place.
The scriptures you quoted are the ones I used, and the scripture I quoted - which you did not use - pertains to the Christians and not the Jews. Christians were instructed to give freely, and never was a 10% tax imposed.
Guest,

"He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.~~~So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver."~~~

Since: Dec 06

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#557155 Aug 26, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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"God shut the door" means that God sealed their fate....safety from the flood...
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
What is your definition of "everlasting life"....what does "shall not come into condemnation;" mean?
What does "passed from death unto life" mean??
Oxbow

God did promise Noah, in his obedience, that he would deliver them from death by the flood.(In a similar way, Moses and the Israelites were delivered from the flood at the parting of the Red Sea. And yet all of that generation died except Joshua in the desert.) So what does that show us?
Noah and those members of his family, likewise died. And to extend that into the spiritual realm of Christ is a step to far, to say that one is permanently saved. It shows quite the opposite.

So just as in real life, if one walks in front of an oncoming car, or jumps off a high cliff, one may survive, likewise it is true of the Christian who does similarly(cause their death by sin in the spirit) with their faith, but there is no guarantee by God that His Judgment will not end in spiritual death, for those who abuse, or refuse the Christian way of life, after once accepting Christ as Lord.

Such a statement that he that hearth and believeth on him who sent me hath everlasting life, is just a part of the reality. We know that the demons and devil hear and believe whom Jesus is, does this mean that they have everlasting life?

It is when one hears and believes that begins the process of realizing one's hope, faith, and love are in Jesus Christ. So to "HEAR" means especially, while we are living that we have hope and faith in Jesus Christ. And while we are living, we do as Jesus did, and that is love God, one another, and take up our cross.

If one passes from death to eternal life, then why would not God reverse this process if one did not pursue the course of eternal life, but choose death by sinning, after someone is born again?(God does not override one's will before or after accepting Jesus as Lord.) But God's Mercy exceeds His need for Justice in the case of those who accept Christ. And it is there we have our confidence in the hope of eternal life with Him.

Peace

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#557156 Aug 26, 2014
atemcowboy wrote:
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any idea when the USA made wine illegal? DOOFUS, fits you to a tee.lol
Since you can't answer my questions...you babble...typical of a man "called of God"...
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557157 Aug 26, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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I will not play your merry-go-round game...
Ox,

Shouldn't Christians be investing in the advancement of His Kingdom with giving???

A man should give in proportion to what he has, and also as he plans, or purposes, in his heart.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#557158 Aug 26, 2014
Chuck wrote:
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If you are a Christian who drinks, lets say you have a brother that is an unsaved alcoholic. You are at a family party and you have a beer with him. What will be his response when you tell him he has a drinking problem an he needs Christ as savior.
How quickly do you think he will call you a hypocrite??? Are you hurting the gospel by drinking .......absolutely.
what else do you and Marge need help with????
After reading this, may seem like I have experienced it huh?
So, according to you, anyone who drinks wine is hurting the gospel..how does that square with: 1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

You did not answer my question regards those who make wine....why not??

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#557159 Aug 26, 2014
Robert F wrote:
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Oxbow
God did promise Noah, in his obedience, that he would deliver them from death by the flood.(In a similar way, Moses and the Israelites were delivered from the flood at the parting of the Red Sea. And yet all of that generation died except Joshua in the desert.) So what does that show us?
Noah and those members of his family, likewise died. And to extend that into the spiritual realm of Christ is a step to far, to say that one is permanently saved. It shows quite the opposite.
So just as in real life, if one walks in front of an oncoming car, or jumps off a high cliff, one may survive, likewise it is true of the Christian who does similarly(cause their death by sin in the spirit) with their faith, but there is no guarantee by God that His Judgment will not end in spiritual death, for those who abuse, or refuse the Christian way of life, after once accepting Christ as Lord.
Such a statement that he that hearth and believeth on him who sent me hath everlasting life, is just a part of the reality. We know that the demons and devil hear and believe whom Jesus is, does this mean that they have everlasting life?
It is when one hears and believes that begins the process of realizing one's hope, faith, and love are in Jesus Christ. So to "HEAR" means especially, while we are living that we have hope and faith in Jesus Christ. And while we are living, we do as Jesus did, and that is love God, one another, and take up our cross.
If one passes from death to eternal life, then why would not God reverse this process if one did not pursue the course of eternal life, but choose death by sinning, after someone is born again?(God does not override one's will before or after accepting Jesus as Lord.) But God's Mercy exceeds His need for Justice in the case of those who accept Christ. And it is there we have our confidence in the hope of eternal life with Him.
Peace
I will not play your merry-go-round game..last call:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

What is your definition of "everlasting life"....what does "shall not come into condemnation;" mean?
What does "passed from death unto life" mean??

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#557160 Aug 26, 2014
atemcowboy wrote:
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any idea when the USA made wine illegal? DOOFUS, fits you to a tee.lol
Yes. I have an idea ... and a date sir.
On January 16,1919 wine became technically illegal in the USA, as did all other alcoholic beverages and concoctions, by ratification of amendment 18.

What about it cowboy?
Do you have a point to share concerning the fact that alcohol officially became illegal on January 17, 1920?
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#557161 Aug 26, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
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But then again Mikey failed to notice that it was Protestants who were bringing up things about Joyce Meiers not Catholics, but he gleefully and swiftly assigns it to all Catholics on this forum, lol BTW the German Bishop was suspended and after he was investigated he resigned. I guess Mikey is in charge of the Protestants. ;0 Oh wait Mikey is just living his life and playing the hypocrite telling others they need not worry what others believe while he fixates obsessively with no integrity on one group. MIkey fair and balanced the best fishwrap in town. ;0 Its actually kind of strange to see single mattresses. In St Paul some people dont realize that quite often homeless are given a place to eat and sleep, hooked up with charites and given a chance. Its hard to get a job when you have no job, no money, no car and you smell. Some people complain about the smelly homeless people that sit on the benches in their church and make them smell when sometimes all they want is a place to sit down, or perhaps actually sleep a little in cool, warm or dry place. The bottom line is lavish living is not a norm. Despite the belief of some
Protestants that the Pope has a crystal ball and is all knowing and every Bishop, priest, deacon, politician, prime minister, pres. or king or lay Catholic hinges on every word there are people with some sense. Mikey has none. Yeah solo Jehovah witnesses that want to chat football with Mikey are a dime a dozen. lol
.....(lol).....None of my posts were to you, but as usual you butt right in taking over from Liam/Hojo because you believe you can carry the catholic ball farther than they can.

......reading your post clearly shows your not a happy person. Everything you said was negative and defensive. The catholic mantra.

......I am very happy in my life, and that bothers you. Judging everyone by their religion shows how shallow you really are. You don't want protestants or jahova witnesses to good lives, again brainwashing does that. Its clear.

...I posted several websites today about priests/bishops all over america who got caught stealing millions of dollars out of pockets like yours and not a word from you about that. HUH! Silence! Where's the checks and balances? Is it just a free-for-all.

........I will not call you names or insult you. Someone told me that's not the Catholic way.
USA Born

AOL

#557162 Aug 26, 2014
StarC wrote:
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The question is, do YOU know what they mean????
Here let me help u.
"Peter’s Confession about Jesus.*
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h When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi* he asked his disciples,“Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
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i They replied,“Some say John the Baptist,* others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
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He said to them,“But who do you say that I am?”
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* j Simon Peter said in reply,“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
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Jesus said to him in reply,“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
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k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
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l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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* m Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah."
THIS IS THE TEACHING OF THE APOSTLES WHO WALKED THE EARTH WITH JESUS!
"*[16:18] You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: the Aramaic word k&#275;p&#257;’ meaning rock and transliterated into Greek as C&#274;phas is the name by which Peter is called in the Pauline letters (1 Cor 1:12; 3:22; 9:5; 15:4; Gal 1:18; 2:9, 11, 14) except in Gal 2:7–8 (“Peter”). It is translated as Petros (“Peter”) in Jn 1:42. The presumed original Aramaic of Jesus’ statement would have been, in English,“You are the Rock (K&#275;p&#257;’) and upon this rock (k&#275;p&#257;’) I will build my church.” The Greek text probably means the same, for the difference in gender between the masculine noun petros, the disciple’s new name, and the feminine noun petra (rock) may be due simply to the unsuitability of using a feminine
*[16:19] The keys to the kingdom of heaven: the image of the keys is probably drawn from Is 22:15–25 where Eliakim, who succeeds Shebnah as master of the palace, is given “the key of the house of David,” which he authoritatively “opens” and “shuts”(Mt 22:22). Whatever you bind…loosed in heaven: there are many instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing. In any case, the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone. In Mt 18:18 all the disciples are given the power of binding and loosing, but the context of that verse suggests that there the power of excommunication alone is intended. That the keys are those to the kingdom of heaven and that Peter’s exercise of authority in the church on earth will be confirmed in heaven show an intimate connection between, but not an identification of, the church and the kingdom of heaven.
Pretty sick stuff. Peter is Jesus' rock? I bet you think getting water sprinkled on your forehead as a baby means you're baptized too.

Christ never gave His authority over to Peter who then gave it to your church. Peter said "you are the Christ, the Son of the living God". That's my Rock.

Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deuteronomy 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,

The "key of the House of David" simply means authority to rule over Israel.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#557164 Aug 26, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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You did not answer my question regards those who make wine....why not??
don't feel like it...

I gave you my opinion. If you and Marge want to justify boozing it and smoking weed go right ahead. You don't see it has hurting the gospel because you drink and then you show up at church on Sunday and praise God.

And we sit back at the end of the day and we wonder why there are atheists in the world.

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