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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 699333 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#557125 Aug 26, 2014
Catholics complain about the luxuries of Joyce Meyers and smurky faced Joel Osteen.

but! catholics never complain when their own leaders live the life of luxury.

http://www.uscatholic.org/blog/201404/note-bi...

....all these dollars spent on bling, donated by hard working catholics earmarked for charities.

......so much money donated for the poor, channeled for personal use..........and catholics still say NOTHING!
Liam

Detroit, MI

#557126 Aug 26, 2014
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholics are convinced that their organizn has been preserved because it is the true church,and that it will not be corrupted with wrong doctrine and so on and so forth.
I can understand their assessment,it could be said of the Orthodox as well,and both the left lung and the right lung are divided,and both consider that the Eucharist is Christ in the flesh and blood,as many Anglicans,Lutherans also uphold,yet none of these people will take communion together. I snot Christ divided even amongst them? Each group even within the high church will not partake of the same Communion, or at least as they will not do so in public with each other.
I watch EWTN's Journey Home every week when it airs,and the same testimony is there. Catholic church more perfect,complete,tradition true,preserved through ions of time,no matter what the Popes did,the Catholic Church exists and is the truth.
But I know that through the WORD the Body of Christ is the Living,breathing organism of human beings transformed by the Lord Jesus,as IN Christ we are New Creations in Him who bought us with a great price. Believers who are in touch with the Spiritual new birth in Him KNOW that they are part of a Spiritual Body that has no boundaries within frameworks of organizational structure.Although as I said many times in the past,organizations have their benefit for the corporate body of Christ.But often we lose sight of the working of the Holy Spirit,when we focus too much on the organization we belong to.
Deception started from day one in the Body of Christ in the First Century church. Paul battled with it,and the Apostle Peter alluded to it as well. But that which is of Christ will last.Each denomination and "Church" within the whole tapestry of Christian faith has its glorious testimonies of what Christ has done. The One true church is the tapestry of all those who have been born-again of the Spirit of God,and through the ages many great movements have been formed because SNIPPED. I understand that for instance Rome cannot take a one sighted choice for Israel,and ignore the Arabs, so as a church the RCC has kept aloof from Israel in that it would not take sides in the conflict between the Arab and the Jew. At the same time the RCC along with all of the rest of Christianty will be forced to suffer with Israel when real persecution comes against us all by the Muslims especially.
The Catholic Church refers to protestants as "our brothers and sisters in Christ". But still, Pad, a line has to be drawn on who is considered Christians. I'm not 100% sure where that line is according to the CC. But I think the Trinity is an obvious marker. Even amongst those who accept the Trinity, there are all sorts of suspect doctrines. The origional protestants were close in teachings such as the Eucharist. The next generation denied it altogether, the current generation mocks it. Imo, how could they be Christian? Didnt Jesus say, "for many will say Lord, Lord". He says of those who claimed to prophecize and cast out demons in his name: "I never knew you".
Well, If hypothetically the Eucharist Is Jesus Christ present, as was taught from the beginning, then those who trash it are trashing Jesus Christ. Then Mathew 7:21 would seem to fit.
Like I said, the Eucharist makes or breaks billions of Catholics and Orthodox and 2,000 yrs of documented history. If were wrong, then its idolatry
Liam

Detroit, MI

#557127 Aug 26, 2014
Michael wrote:
Catholics on this forum are concerned about Joyce Meyers living the life of luxury on the followers dime!
How about this catholic Bishop of Limburg who spent $42 MILLION on a reno job on his residence.
$20,000 for 1 bathtub.$34,000 for a writing table.
.......extra extra!.... read all about it!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013...
....f.ally the vatican noticed and started feeling the heat. Who is in charge of the catholic church making sure things like this don't happen? evidentally nobody!!
Most Catholics are outraged by this. In fact, that's how you came to know about the story. It was Catholics in those diocese who spoke up.. I said last week on the Miami archbishop who lives in an oceanside mansion with a pool: its disgusting. I dont care if those homes were donated by wealthy contributors, its wrong. Most live humbly, including the three Bishops in the twin cities.. Small one bedroom apartments. u wouldnt care about those guys- you'd just assume throw em all under the bus.
Any more solo Jehovahs come to your door? Lol.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#557128 Aug 26, 2014
hojo wrote:
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Hey Michael-----Now, look at who is calling " the kettle black"!!!!... If you don't care what Liam thinks (which is what ALL Catholics believe) then "why" are you still on this forum?? Why aren't you out living in your "isolated "happy???????" ( agnostic-) world of "nothingness" away from this forum???----I'll tell you why Michael!!!----ADDICTION!!---- You are so addictive to your distorted and perverted world of "anti-catholic hate" that you CANNOT live ( one day) without feeding your addiction...THAT, my friend is why you are hear 24/7
.....Yes HOJO I am addicted!........help me! help me!

....Here 24/7 hojo says!!. I was at physio, the car wash, and grocery store this morning. Tonight I will walk my dog watch tv. 10:30 I will go to bed until morning.... 24/7 he says????(lol)..... hahahahahahahaha!

June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#557129 Aug 26, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Circumcision is a Jewish thing.
Why do Christians still practice that snipping off of the foreskin June?
Jews, Christians and Muslims caught the nasty habit from earlier religionists.
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FGM in traditional African cultures and religions

The traditional cultural practice of FGM predates both Islam and Christianity. A Greek papyrus from 163 B.C. mentions girls in Egypt undergoing circumcision

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services states that the custom of FGM "cuts across religions and is practiced by Muslims, Christians, Jews and followers of indigenous religions."[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_ ...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#557130 Aug 26, 2014
Christopher Hitchens in debate with Jewish Rabbi

June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#557131 Aug 26, 2014
Liam wrote:
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The Catholic Church refers to protestants as "our brothers and sisters in Christ".
That's is relatively new jargon ... meant to show that Catholics could indeed treat Protestants with love.

But it seems you forgot the title of this forum ... and the deepest meaning of those words.

If the Roman Catholic church is the only one approved by Jesus and God ... then there is no hope of salvation except through complete faith in Catholicism and that means that Protestants will spend eternity in HELL.

Idiocy!
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Athanasian Creed
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#557132 Aug 26, 2014
USA Born wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah yeah, you worship the euchrist and Peter was a pope. What is your point? Do you even know what these scriptures mean
The question is, do YOU know what they mean????
Here let me help u.
"Peter’s Confession about Jesus.*
13
h When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi* he asked his disciples,“Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
14
i They replied,“Some say John the Baptist,* others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15
He said to them,“But who do you say that I am?”
16
* j Simon Peter said in reply,“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17
Jesus said to him in reply,“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
18
k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19
l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
20
* m Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah."
THIS IS THE TEACHING OF THE APOSTLES WHO WALKED THE EARTH WITH JESUS!
"*[16:18] You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: the Aramaic word k&#275;p&#257;’ meaning rock and transliterated into Greek as C&#274;phas is the name by which Peter is called in the Pauline letters (1 Cor 1:12; 3:22; 9:5; 15:4; Gal 1:18; 2:9, 11, 14) except in Gal 2:7–8 (“Peter”). It is translated as Petros (“Peter”) in Jn 1:42. The presumed original Aramaic of Jesus’ statement would have been, in English,“You are the Rock (K&#275;p&#257;’) and upon this rock (k&#275;p&#257;’) I will build my church.” The Greek text probably means the same, for the difference in gender between the masculine noun petros, the disciple’s new name, and the feminine noun petra (rock) may be due simply to the unsuitability of using a feminine noun as the proper name of a male. Although the two words were generally used with slightly different nuances, they were also used interchangeably with the same meaning,“rock.” Church: this word (Greek ekkl&#275;sia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Mt 18:17 (twice). There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God. The gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it: the netherworld (Greek Had&#275;s, the abode of the dead) is conceived of as a walled city whose gates will not close in upon the church of Jesus, i.e., it will not be overcome by the power of death.
*[16:19] The keys to the kingdom of heaven: the image of the keys is probably drawn from Is 22:15–25 where Eliakim, who succeeds Shebnah as master of the palace, is given “the key of the house of David,” which he authoritatively “opens” and “shuts”(Mt 22:22). Whatever you bind…loosed in heaven: there are many instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing. In any case, the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone. In Mt 18:18 all the disciples are given the power of binding and loosing, but the context of that verse suggests that there the power of excommunication alone is intended. That the keys are those to the kingdom of heaven and that Peter’s exercise of authority in the church on earth will be confirmed in heaven show an intimate connection between, but not an identification of, the church and the kingdom of heaven.

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#557133 Aug 26, 2014
USA Born wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah yeah, you worship the euchrist and Peter was a pope. What is your point? Do you even know what these scriptures mean
The question is, do YOU know what they mean????
Here let me help u.
"Peter’s Confession about Jesus.*
13
h When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi* he asked his disciples,“Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
14
i They replied,“Some say John the Baptist,* others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15
He said to them,“But who do you say that I am?”
16
* j Simon Peter said in reply,“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17
Jesus said to him in reply,“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
18
k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
19
l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
20
* m Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Messiah."
THIS IS THE TEACHING OF THE APOSTLES WHO WALKED THE EARTH WITH JESUS!
[16:18] You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: the Aramaic word k&#275;p&#257;’ meaning rock and transliterated into Greek as C&#274;phas is the name by which Peter is called in the Pauline letters (1 Cor 1:12; 3:22; 9:5; 15:4; Gal 1:18; 2:9, 11, 14) except in Gal 2:7–8 (“Peter”). It is translated as Petros (“Peter”) in Jn 1:42. The presumed original Aramaic of Jesus’ statement would have been, in English,“You are the Rock (K&#275;p&#257;’) and upon this rock (k&#275;p&#257;’) I will build my church.” The Greek text probably means the same, for the difference in gender between the masculine noun petros, the disciple’s new name, and the feminine noun petra (rock) may be due simply to the unsuitability of using a feminine noun as the proper name of a male. Although the two words were generally used with slightly different nuances, they were also used interchangeably with the same meaning,“rock.” Church: this word (Greek ekkl&#275;sia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Mt 18:17 (twice). There are several possibilities for an Aramaic original. Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God. The gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it: the netherworld (Greek Had&#275;s, the abode of the dead) is conceived of as a walled city whose gates will not close in upon the church of Jesus, i.e., it will not be overcome by the power of death.
*[16:19] The keys to the kingdom of heaven: the image of the keys is probably drawn from Is 22:15–25 where Eliakim, who succeeds Shebnah as master of the palace, is given “the key of the house of David,” which he authoritatively “opens” and “shuts”(Mt 22:22). Whatever you bind…loosed in heaven: there are many instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing. In any case, the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone. In Mt 18:18 all the disciples are given the power of binding and loosing, but the context of that verse suggests that there the power of excommunication alone is intended. That the keys are those to the kingdom of heaven and that Peter’s exercise of authority in the church on earth will be confirmed in heaven show an intimate connection between, but not an identification of, the church and the kingdom of heaven.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#557134 Aug 26, 2014
Mary, the mother of Jesus.

What are we to make of her?

The Infancy Narrative in Luke would have it that Mary was fully informed about her special child:
Luke wrote:
[T]he angel said to [Mary],“Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
--Luke 1:30-3

And, surely, Mary must have realized something was up when, according to Matthew (Mat. 2:11), magicians -- presumably from Persia -- arrived on the scene to present gifts to the newborn son of a lowly craftsman.

Hardly usual, eh?

And had she any doubt, surely the wedding in Cana would have dispelled them. According to John 2, after Mary asked Jesus for a solution to a depletion of the wine at that festival, as his first public miracle, he turned jars of water there into fine wine.

Maybe she missed that miracle, cuz come Mark 3's narrative about Jesus returning to his hometown, she seems totally unaware of her son's special calling. His family considers him "out of his mind" and when his "mother and brothers arrived" to save him from an agitated crown, he denies them. He has a new family. Apparently “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home” despite the arrival of angels, magicians, and miracles.(Quotes from NIV. Last quote from NIV's Mark 6.)

Seems the author of Mark, the first gospel, didn't get the Jesus' Family Knows He's Special Memo.

Odd that, eh?
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#557135 Aug 26, 2014
seriously the original wrote:
<quoted text>I am only quoting scriptures and not preaching or anything. I do not believe that woman can be preachers or teachers. I am only stating what I have read in the Bible and testifying as to what I believe. My sincere belief is that there is not just one church that will make it or one set of people. I am no judge. Some people may not go to church for the simple fact that they have been hurt by judgement made of them by people there. I am in no wise saying those people will be lost. God knows his people....In my opinion anyone who accepts Jesus as the Christ and is doing the best that they can and what they know to do out of a sincere heart....is God's people and shall be saved. I think God only asks us to do the best that we can for him and when we do we shall grow in his grace and his knowledge.

2 Corinthians 8
12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
........why do you believe there is so much hatred on this forum between catholic/protestant and visa versa? Name calling, personal attacks etc. Each group trying to one up the other.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#557136 Aug 26, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Most Catholics are outraged by this. In fact, that's how you came to know about the story. It was Catholics in those diocese who spoke up.. I said last week on the Miami archbishop who lives in an oceanside mansion with a pool: its disgusting. I dont care if those homes were donated by wealthy contributors, its wrong. Most live humbly, including the three Bishops in the twin cities.. Small one bedroom apartments. u wouldnt care about those guys- you'd just assume throw em all under the bus.

Any more solo Jehovahs come to your door? Lol.
.......I am hoping he comes back one day. He was fascinating, and not a hateful bone in his body. You could learn from him Liam. As I said we never discussed religion. He looked like he was worn out all those dedicated years of service.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557137 Aug 26, 2014
Chuck wrote:
John 8:31 Jesus said, "if you abide in my word, you truly are my disciples".
So if folks like Demas don't abide in His word, how we're they truly His disciples????
Chuck,

There are two important things that Jesus is tell us here......listen to Jesus.....

If you abide in my word, you truly are my disciples.

Jesus defines one of the terms of discipleship.....do you see it?

Jesus is impressing upon the believer the importance of His word.

'abide in His word'.........continue in and do not to depart from it.......abiding is not a short term concept......we are supposed to be 'abiding in His Word' until the end......

We (as Christians) are to constantly remain in Jesus' Words.

Remember the little word "if" is very critical......

What happens to the Christian "IF" they don't continue in Jesus' Words???

What happens to the christian "IF" they don't continue "IN CHRIST JESUS???

Remember....Jesus is the Word of God.......
guest

United States

#557138 Aug 26, 2014
Truth wrote:
Chuck,
Do you believe that a Christian can walk away from their FIRST LOVE???
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hojo wrote:
Of course!......People do it "all the time" in marriage!.........
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And what about when they are "married to the church", hojo?
or do those who order the torture and murder of heretics get a free pass? you know ... the popes and the priests who ordered tortures and murders ...for centuries on end?
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you walk away from the FIRST LOVE when you walk away from the Word of God and obey the word of mere men.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#557140 Aug 26, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Most Catholics are outraged by this. In fact, that's how you came to know about the story. It was Catholics in those diocese who spoke up.. I said last week on the Miami archbishop who lives in an oceanside mansion with a pool: its disgusting. I dont care if those homes were donated by wealthy contributors, its wrong. Most live humbly, including the three Bishops in the twin cities.. Small one bedroom apartments. u wouldnt care about those guys- you'd just assume throw em all under the bus.
Any more solo Jehovahs come to your door? Lol.
But then again Mikey failed to notice that it was Protestants who were bringing up things about Joyce Meiers not Catholics, but he gleefully and swiftly assigns it to all Catholics on this forum, lol BTW the German Bishop was suspended and after he was investigated he resigned. I guess Mikey is in charge of the Protestants. ;0 Oh wait Mikey is just living his life and playing the hypocrite telling others they need not worry what others believe while he fixates obsessively with no integrity on one group. MIkey fair and balanced the best fishwrap in town. ;0 Its actually kind of strange to see single mattresses. In St Paul some people dont realize that quite often homeless are given a place to eat and sleep, hooked up with charites and given a chance. Its hard to get a job when you have no job, no money, no car and you smell. Some people complain about the smelly homeless people that sit on the benches in their church and make them smell when sometimes all they want is a place to sit down, or perhaps actually sleep a little in cool, warm or dry place. The bottom line is lavish living is not a norm. Despite the belief of some Protestants that the Pope has a crystal ball and is all knowing and every Bishop, priest, deacon, politician, prime minister, pres. or king or lay Catholic hinges on every word there are people with some sense. Mikey has none. Yeah solo Jehovah witnesses that want to chat football with Mikey are a dime a dozen. lol
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557142 Aug 26, 2014
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
None of your business what I do chucky, I am who God says I am and I only have to answer to my husband.
Marge,

You wrote:

I only have to answer to my husband.

Is this correct Christian attitude???

But the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, That shines brighter and brighter until the full day. The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know over what they stumble.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557143 Aug 26, 2014
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think smoking cigars is a sin?
Marge,

Again, is you body a temple for God to dwell in???
guest

United States

#557144 Aug 26, 2014
guest wrote:
The tithe was instituted to support the Levitical Priesthood and the Jewish Temple. When the Temple was destroyed in 70 CE, the records of the Tribe of Levi were also destroyed. The Priesthood dissolved, so too did the obligation to pay tithes.
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Supporting the Jewish Temple is a far cry from supporting Evangelical Pastors as they live in the lap of luxury and their parishioners are suffering and going hungry. Far too many Evangelicals have made themselves filthy rich in this manner and even flaunting their wealth and declaring they have great wealth because God has 'blessed' them abundantly for their efforts.
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So, the question becomes: To Whom Do the Evangelical Pastors pay THEIR "tithes" to? Themselves? I'll bet if their finances were scrutinized, there would be no record of their paying tithes. And not being of the Levitical Priesthood, they have no legitimate right to collect tithes.
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Remember ...Christ had no place to lay his head and the Apostles, also, were not ones to copy the lifestyle of the Pharisees.
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Oxbow wrote:
I will not play your merry-go-round game...when you can refute this truth...lets talk...any thing else will be trashed...
Tithe: The institution or obligation of paying tithes. A tax or assessment of one tenth.
An obligation is not giving...a tax is not giving...The Scripture you quoted speaks of giving...freely...has nothing to do with tithing...
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I know what a tithe is, and that it is an "obligation" and "not giving" ... & that it is a tax.
But the tithe was a tax imposed to support the Levitical Priesthood and the Jewish Temple. No further burden was put upon Christians, especially at the point in time that the Temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood was no longer in place.
The scriptures you quoted are the ones I used, and the scripture I quoted - which you did not use - pertains to the Christians and not the Jews. Christians were instructed to give freely, and never was a 10% tax imposed.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#557145 Aug 26, 2014
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Hank, if they do what does this passage mean?
John 8:31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him,“If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
**so if they walk away from their first love, were they truly disciples?
Chuck,

Conditional.....

"But I have this against you, that you have left your first love...because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth."

Why did they leave, Chuck???

Lukewarm....they were NEITHER hot nor cold.....

What are the consequences???

I will spit you out of My mouth.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#557146 Aug 26, 2014
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Oxbow
Peace
To begin, I think your analogy of a saved person in Christ is like Noah was in the ark, has overreached a bit. There is a typology. But it ends with your statement that "God shut the door".
In fact God did not do so. But it was rather Noah's obedience to what God had said to do, which was part of their salvation, and those of the animals in the ark. Thus to think that one's life is definitively sealed(God has shut the door, or OSAS), is not applicable here.(I admit, that at first it does "sound" good, but, if you examine the scripture on Noah and the Ark, I am sure you will agree, and not really find, that God shut the door..., so to speak. And in light of that, it is because of a presumption you believe it to be so.)
Your scripture, of course can stand alone, but it does not really say that OSAS is in effect. Rather it omits it. To be a new creature in Christ, one has then received a Gift, Jesus Christ, and care must be taken to nurture that Gift within oneself. If on the other hand one does not, and ignores the calling of the Holy Spirit, or one's conscience, then I would agree that one has had a superfluous relationship with Jesus Christ, and drifts away.
Yet some believe that such a superficial relationship with Jesus Christ, once accepted is enough to make them saved forever, because they had some experience in their life. They are more like the crowds often written about in the Gospels that followed Jesus to hear him, but then just went back to their homes and their own way of life.(And they no doubt believed they were better people for having listened, or even "saved" in a sense, but can they really be?)
Peace
"God shut the door" means that God sealed their fate....safety from the flood...

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

What is your definition of "everlasting life"....what does "shall not come into condemnation;" mean?
What does "passed from death unto life" mean??

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