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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683856 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#553381 Aug 7, 2014
USA Born wrote:
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Exactly. Here's an example.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
Yes and some heretical sects forbade marriage for everyone and some today are advocating marriage is not good. Further they forbid the eating of any meat. Its not a temporary discipoline or fast. So you lose if you try to put Priests in that category. Further there are those who are allowed to marry that are in communition with the Church. Its a discipline and nobody is forced to become a priest. Further it was not uncommon for those in the aarly church to remain celibate. The road in the early church was especially hard. All Jews know that Moses had no more relations after he spoke with God. As Paul said, he would rather be be like him but marry to marry then to burn. However Paul said he would rather they be like him. He was not Married to a woman. Futher the husband of one wife not multiple wives or remarried. I think Paul covered the fact that marriage was not a requirement. Sorry but you are a fanatic fundy who spews garbage. A fundemntal tenant of Proetstantism is to heap upon yourselves minister to scratch your tiching ears while individually ;roclaiming youselves and authority. IThere is not nough books in the whole world to list how many times one protetant has sent another to hell. slinging bible verses at each other each claiming they are inspired. Bishops? WHo needs them each of you is the final authority because the bible toldy you so.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#553382 Aug 7, 2014
USA Born wrote:
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We've been discussing what the scriptures say. How is that being a "fanatic"?
You seem to value ritual of the RCC over the Word.
No you have blowing smoke with trumped up nonsense feeding hatred with your infallible theory of what Revelation says. You have discussed nothing. You seem to value your opinion of trumped up nonsense and not the word. You need it to be the Catholic church so you can spew your nonsense. The Church is not going to deny Christ we will leave that to those like you who blow with the wind following every wave of Doctrine.. I am sure another book will be out soon where you can join in mass hysteria and cause death and suicide and hatred like others have with the likes of Lindsey and others. You also play no small part in the unrest in the middle east trying to force your own version of bible.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#553383 Aug 7, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
Just as does the poster New Age Spiritual Leader believe that his HOLY group of Christians were the first Christians.

New Age wrotes:
This is untrue. I've never stated this, so please don't go on telling others that these are my words.
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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Then why do you keep preaching at others that you KNOW what was meant by the teachings of Jesus, while they are still TOO dumb TO know?
Still angry that I've shut you down on pretty much every post you've made to me? No worries, I'll do it again here as well.

Again - my PERCEPTION of the things untaught by Christianity are pretty much dead-on to me. They are very PLAUSIBLE - much more so than anything Christianity has to offer.

Prove me otherwise.
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>To make such a BOLD statement, you MUST believe you are aligned to absolute knowledge that came BEFORE other groups such as the Catholics and Protestants messed with the REAL Christianity.
Why? Are you jealous that I have and you can't or won't?

Stop it June - you are being like an ignorant child.....always bitching about something, but yet never one to research it fully enough to understand that which you bitch about.

*hands you a tissue*

Go and dry off your eyes 'young lady'......
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>And your avatar is the clincher. WOW! Heavy stuff! "New Age Spiritual Leader."
... aligned to the OLD AGE knowledge-able spiritual leader.
Be sure to include Edgar Cayce in your acknowledgement of my avatar. It was his idea.
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>According to you, there's nothing dumb ABOUT you.
Uhm.....define "nothing dumb about you".
- You'll need to clarify this statement, because from me to you....there are many things I don't know - that would - I guess - classify in your world as "being dumb". I'd call it something more accurate - ignorant of the facts. If I don't know something I usually research it.

Unlike YOU and MANY of Christianity's followers - you've failed to research what you preach...so you try and dispel other's and their facts, even when you can't.

Yep - that too would be a direct reflection up the Self.
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>However, I suggest others disagree.
I suggest you begin posting these "others" and their comments, so I can address them directly. You can do this, right?

Or is this more of the ruse you've been trying to put forth?

I suggest that you take your 70-ish life into the "Christianity for Beginners" forum.....and then work you way up to the RCC.
hojo

Chanhassen, MN

#553384 Aug 7, 2014
confrinting with the word wrote:
StarC wrote:
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No, he was talking about His Church, Jesus can have but one spouse and that is His Universal Church. The Bible says The Church is the bride of Christ Eph. 5:23-32 (Universal=Katholik(gr)=Cathol ic)
No one said Peter was equal to God or Christ. Jesus himself left the Apostle to carry on His Church on earth.
Peter been the principle Apostle, Jesus gave him the keys.
Catholic 101 .com
"The difference, of course, is that Jesus is “The Rock”, while Peter is “A Rock”. This changing of names follows a very important pattern in scripture – Abram (father) became Abraham (father of many nations). Jacob (He who grasps the heel) became Israel (Ruling with God) when his mission was changed when he become the father of 12 tribes of the nation of Israel. Notice carefully that Abraham and Jacob became leaders and fathers following their name change. A male name change in the bible indicates leadership and fatherhood.
In Matthew 16:18, Jesus creates and builds His Church (not "churches") on Peter, the Rock. Notice also that even hell can't stop the everlasting existence of His Church.
"And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. "
In the following verse 19, Jesus gives Peter the keys to the kingdom.
"And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed, even in heaven.”
This is a direct parallel with the Old Testament Isaiah 22:20-24: "
Like I said ...... Catholic monks sat and translated the original letters for the Bible. From there all others are a spin off, of a spin off. Same with the churches... Jesus said "Build my Church" not churches.
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NOW WITH ALL YOU RHETORICAL RAMBLINGS..
Please give one scripture FROM THE BIBLE ....
that connects your
ROMAN CATHOLIC DYNASTY TO THE APOSTLE PETER.
i CHALLENGE YOU ...THAT YOU CAN NOT...
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Please tell us all--"where does it say (in the bible)---(word for word) that the bible is the one and only authority that God chose to convey and transmit His inspired and infallible words of truth!.........The bible (not only ) doesn't say that but it says "just the opposite" by telling us that the CHURCH is the final authority in Paul's letter to Timotthy (I Timothy 3:15 when he says "THE CHURCH" ( not) the bible alone) is the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH. He goes on to say "when there is a disagreement " with regards to interpretation---that we should "take it to the Church"--- not the bible!!!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553385 Aug 7, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
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Yes and some heretical sects forbade marriage for everyone and some today are advocating marriage is not good..
From the book "The History Of Christianity ... The Church from the Reformation to the Present, Volume 2, by Clyde L. Manschreck ... comes the following........

Dedicated to the austere ideals of Cluny, Gregory sought to enforce clerical celibacy not only as a purer state but as a means of freeing the church from the world. In1074 he prohibited future marriages and ordered married priests to dismiss their wives or give up reading mass. Clerical marriage from his viewpoint was no better than fornication. Laymen were urged not to take the sacraments from such guilty priests. Havoc resulted. Priests were insulted, tortured; some were driven to suicide, some even murdered. Legal wives became harlots, and legitimate children, bastards. But Gregory moved relentlessly forward, unseating bishops who opposed him, especially in the north. He enforced clerical celibacy, but at a great price and without permanence, for at the time of the Reformation in the sixteenth century the church was licensing clerical concubines and taxing the children of bishops.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#553386 Aug 7, 2014
hojo wrote:
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Why don't YOU believe in all of what Jesus taught New Age!.........
You aren't speaking the truth hojo....I do......

Why do you want to lie about others? That isn't very "Christian" of you.....but then again....based upon your posts, you don't sound very "Christian" to begin with.

Hmmmmmm.....
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>Let's begin with John 6:47-59 regarding Jesus' TRUE BODY and TRUE BLOOD when HE said "for unless you eat my body which is REAL FOOD and drink my blood which is REAL DRINK---------
Jesus didn't teach this to be literal....it was symbolic.

'Eat my Flesh'- actually means "receive my words"
'Drink my blood'- actually means "accept my words"

Don't try to make them out to be something they are not.
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>you CANNOT have Eternal life!.........or Jesus Christs " own spoken words in Matthew 16:13-21 when Jesus appointed Peter to be HIS earthly representative "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it....
.....and yet there are more books by "Paul" than "Peter". Hmmmm.....maybe your team got it wrong.

Clearly they didn't know how many books they were supposed to use to teach others.
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>To you Peter I give the keys to the kingdom of heaven ---whatever you bind on earth Peter will be bound in heaven---and whatever you shall loosed on earth shall be lost in heaven.....
So.....is this supposed to sway me, or just show how much you depend upon others in order to accept "God" and Jesus?

Well?
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>Face the historical and biblical " TRUE facts" New Age!!! You are a bible " self interpreting "smoke blower" living on your own " isolated island, all the while "fighting, arguing, bitching, complaining and name calling as to how YOU (are the ONLY one that has got it right and the rest of your other other 41,999 are idiots, imbicells, and stupid !'
a. There are no "True facts" about me in the Bible.....in fact....there aren't any facts about me in the Bible at all. Please stop making it out to be something it is not.
b. "all the while "fighting, arguing, bitching, complaining and name calling as to how YOU (are the ONLY one that has got it right and the rest of your other other 41,999 are idiots, imbicells, and stupid !'"
- you must have realized that you just did plenty of name-calling in this one sentence, and it was just alright, huh? But if I were to use your own words you posted to me.....I guess you don't get included, huh?

You are why many so-called "Christians" have been led astray from learning and correcting their own faults.....you just can't tell the truth to a stranger.

Sad.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553387 Aug 7, 2014
Humans should be embarrassed to take the words of the men of ancient cultures, that in turn knew nothing of science, but rather used philosophies to fight and preach at each other that their personalized philosophies were based on one "immovable" universal truth.

You haven't learned anything of value, because you insist on behaving in as ignorant a manner as those ancient men.
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Myths and Myth-Makers – Old Tales And Superstitions By Comparative Mythology … John Fiske

According to the ancient Jew, the sky was a solid plate, hammered out by the gods, and spread over the earth in order to keep up the ocean overhead: but the plate was full of little windows, which were opened whenever it became necessary to let the rain come through.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#553388 Aug 7, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
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Partly correct .
While I don't know how or why God does what He does...you are correct..by Faith we know
He is the Creator , He being the Creator of everything has no need of time...he created all dimensions . The earth rotates passing time , he created all of it .
So yes He did create time..and existed BEFORE TIME .. my assumption is that He being all powerful can move about it , HIS CREATION, as He wishes ...
"Partly correct?"
- yet you posted it initially as if all was correct....and now you back-peddle.

This is a good start....at least you are beginning to think a little bit harder on what you have said, as in relationship to what you believe.

Please post your citation on the "assumption" you seem to take hold with - that "by faith we know".

How is this? What faith? Faith that you drummed up on your own?

Yes Rose - faith you drummed up on your own.....no one else...just little ole you. And where is the support you must've read that shows that this is "partly correct"?

You can provide this, right?

Or more accurately - you can't and it is just a belief that YOU have?

Yes Rose - Self is your answer - not "God" nor Jesus.....just you.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553389 Aug 7, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren't speaking the truth hojo....I do......
Amazing arrogance!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#553390 Aug 7, 2014
Liam wrote:
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The nice thing about Catholicism and Orthodoxy is you don't need to be a Bible scholar to figure out Jesus. We can recieve the word of God in the Eucharist. In fact, Jesus calls it the "New Testament". He never once refers to the New Testament as a collection of Books. Even the Apostle Paul calls the New Testament the Eucharist meal. "this chalice is the blood of the new covenant/testament" (1cor 11:24). My point is: even someone as reliant on scholarly work as you, really don't need to be when it comes to receiving the Lord. Jesus didnt require one to be a Bible scholar to figure Him out. The Eucharist is the summit of Christianity.. "The medicine of immortality" according to John's disciple, St. Ignatius. People don't have to take my word for it, when its available every day for themselves.
Then why don't you accept all of his teachings - no matter where they reside?

Are you afraid of something if you do?
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#553391 Aug 7, 2014
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell us all--"where does it say (in the bible)---(word for word) that the bible is the one and only authority that God chose to convey and transmit His inspired and infallible words of truth!.........The bible (not only ) doesn't say that but it says "just the opposite" by telling us that the CHURCH is the final authority in Paul's letter to Timotthy (I Timothy 3:15 when he says "THE CHURCH" ( not) the bible alone) is the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH. He goes on to say "when there is a disagreement " with regards to interpretation---that we should "take it to the Church"--- not the bible!!!!
Yes he does. Further if we take the church as an invisible conglomerate of individuals with their own authority then they need not agree. They can just start their own or find someone who will side with them who are equally inspired. Its Ridiculous! It is impossible for anyone to be a false teacher if they all use scripture to come to different conclusions with equal inspirration. Hebrews says to Obey those who are over you and do not give them grief. This is tossed aside in defiance stringing together verses and inserting whatever they desire for them to mean. IMany times I have seen Protestants say well nobody really has the truth. Whaaat? Then if you don't have the truth why are you preaching ? What did CHrist mean when he said the holy spirit will guide you to all Truth?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553392 Aug 7, 2014
I suggest it is not good for the health to brag that one knows the one and only universal truth.

It puts one up tight in the NEED to defend one's personalized valued-dogmas ... and that NEED puts the nerves in a knot, so that the material body can't function in a relaxed "atmosphere."

There is no doubt that stress is a killer.

That attitude of "I'm on CONSTANT DUTY for a divine purpose" can have a high cost to those that invest their faith in such foolishness.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553393 Aug 7, 2014
Imagine the elderly Catholic who on his death bed was up in a knot that he had not killed enough "heretics" to please "God."

To him, that thought was no doubt "rational."

It did NOT allow him a peaceful death.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553394 Aug 7, 2014
More BLATANT arrogance.
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Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase & Fable by Ivor H. Evans … First published 1817.

Unam sanctam (Lat., One holy). The opening words of Boniface VIII’s BULL of 1302 declaring that there was “One holy Catholic and Apostolic Church”, membership of which was necessary for salvation.
guest

United States

#553395 Aug 7, 2014
Free Agent of Jesus wrote:
And she sacramentsinfunerarypurple.
Cardinals wear scarlet.
Archbishops wear purple.
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Liam wrote:
"And you shall make a veil of blue, purple and scarlet thread and fine woven linen. It shall be woven with a fine artistic design of cherbim" (exodus 23:30)
"And they clothed Him with purple and twisted a crown of thorns on his head" (Mark 15:17)
Paul's tomb unearthed in Rome.....among the contents: fragments of purple linen.
www.realdiscoveries.info/site
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Oh, you are SOOOO selective, Liam, when defending your church.
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You believe that because Jewish priests wore these colors, that it justifies The Catholic Church's using these same colors.
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Now tell me, Liam (IF you can)... just WHAT justifies the Catholic Church in copying every PAGAN Rite and Ritual and using Pagan Symbols in their so-called "Christian" worship?
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The BIBLE which you just quoted to justify your point here, tells you NOT TO DO what the NATIONS do - but THOSE Bible verses are somehow "misinterpreted" and "twisted" by Christians, aren't they, Liam?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553396 Aug 7, 2014
This man was SO arrogant as to use a copy of the pope's own bible on which to base HIS claims of knowing universal truth.
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A History of Religious Ideas, by Mircea Eliade.

Luther’s theology

In a letter of June 1522, Martin Luther wrote:“I do not admit that my doctrine can be judged by anyone, even by the angels. One who does not receive my doctrine cannot come to salvation.”
USA Born

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#553397 Aug 7, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
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No you have blowing smoke with trumped up nonsense feeding hatred with your infallible theory of what Revelation says. You have discussed nothing. You seem to value your opinion of trumped up nonsense and not the word. You need it to be the Catholic church so you can spew your nonsense. The Church is not going to deny Christ we will leave that to those like you who blow with the wind following every wave of Doctrine.. I am sure another book will be out soon where you can join in mass hysteria and cause death and suicide and hatred like others have with the likes of Lindsey and others. You also play no small part in the unrest in the middle east trying to force your own version of bible.
And what you're saying isn't hatred? Quit being paranoid. Nobody hates you. Some here disagree with the RCC just as some disagree with "protetants", that's all.
guest

United States

#553398 Aug 7, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
"Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1
Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:28-30
Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared...." 1 Tim 4:1-2
For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. 2 Tim 4:3-4
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USA Born wrote:
Exactly. Here's an example.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
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Catholics only quote The Word of God when their beliefs DO NOT DEPART *FROM* The Word of God.
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It would be quite an experiment in reality to REMOVE ALL THE VERSES FROM THE BIBLE that CONTRADICT the Roman Catholic Church.
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What a mess that would be, huh?
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#553400 Aug 7, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
From the book "The History Of Christianity ... The Church from the Reformation to the Present, Volume 2, by Clyde L. Manschreck ... comes the following........
Dedicated to the austere ideals of Cluny, Gregory sought to enforce clerical celibacy not only as a purer state but as a means of freeing the church from the world. In1074 he prohibited future marriages and ordered married priests to dismiss their wives or give up reading mass. Clerical marriage from his viewpoint was no better than fornication. Laymen were urged not to take the sacraments from such guilty priests. Havoc resulted. Priests were insulted, tortured; some were driven to suicide, some even murdered. Legal wives became harlots, and legitimate children, bastards. But Gregory moved relentlessly forward, unseating bishops who opposed him, especially in the north. He enforced clerical celibacy, but at a great price and without permanence, for at the time of the Reformation in the sixteenth century the church was licensing clerical concubines and taxing the children of bishops.
Not relevant to the point that there were groups who were teaching that marriage in itself was evil and forbidden as well as meat, but to answer your snipit of unfounded allegation. This is accepted by credible historians from an Eastern Orthodox site.

The Catholic Encyclopedia summarizes:
A terrible picture of the decay both of clerical morality and of all sense of anything like vocation is drawn in the writings of St. Peter Damian, particularly in his “Liber Gomorrhianus.” The style, no doubt, is rhetorical and exaggerated, and his authority as an eyewitness does not extend beyond that district of Northern Italy, in which he lived, but we have evidence from other sources that the corruption was widespread… Undoubtedly during this period the traditions of sacerdotal celibacy in Western Christendom suffered severely but even though a large number of the clergy, not only priests but bishops, openly took wives and begot children to whom they transmitted their benefices, the principle of celibacy was never completely surrendered in the official enactments of the Church.

It is under the strong pontificate of Pope Gregory VII (Hilderbrand) that the Latin Church addressed the matter with a firm adoption of life-long celibacy as the best solution for all:
With Pope St. Leo IX, St. Gregory VII (Hildebrand), and their successors, a determined and successful stand was made against the further spread of corruption. For a while in certain districts where effective interference appeared hopeless, it would seem that various synodal enactments allowed the rural clergy to retain the wives to whom they had previously been married. See, for example, the Councils of Lisieux of 1064, Rouen in 1063 and 1072, and Winchester, this last presided over by Lanfranc, in 1076. In all these we may possibly trace the personal influence of William the Conqueror. But despite these concessions, the attitude of Gregory VII remained firm, and the reform which he consolidated has never subsequently been set aside… The point is of importance because the evidence seems to show that in this long struggle the whole of the more high-principled and more learned section of the clergy was enlisted in the cause of celibacy.

The council of Trent, in its Doctrine on the Sacrament of Orders (1563) stipulated that although celibacy was not a divine law, the Church had the authority to impose celibacy as a discipline, which is to this day the practical position of both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/celibacy
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#553402 Aug 7, 2014
If a young boy has been sexually abused by his priest or his pastor ... that abuse is not only physical ... it is emotional.

And when that boy turns into a man, with testosterone running his emotions ... he might want to know why he was taught by his tor-"mentor" that God has a character of LOVE.

Patrick Mackay as a boy attempted to set fire to a Catholic church.

It's quite possible that the priest molested him when he was a boy and that is WHY Patrick murdered him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Mackay

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