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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 688609 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jun 10

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#547686 Jul 5, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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What if the soul of the baby is not of a born-again Christian? Does it automatically know that it has to go straight to hell???
Your theology is as wacky as the theology of all the other religious "philosophers."
And don't forget that the baby did not CHOOSE to be of any religion. That was a curse from the baby's parents put upon the baby.
Idiocy.
A baby is without sin....Because a baby cannot sin....should he die in that condition...to Heaven he goes...

Since: Jun 10

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#547687 Jul 5, 2014
Liam wrote:
The Christian Bible only developed because of the tradition of reading Scripture before the Eucharistic meal. The Apostles read from the "OT" before the breaking of the bread. ie the Mass. The next generation of Christians continued the same tradition, only now, the Church began approving some writings available from the Apostles , as well as epistles from Barnabas, Clement and Ignatius.
It wasn't until the council of Rome in the 4th century, that the Catholic Church decided to form one collection of Scripture for the Mass.
For the Mass. Not for individual Bible study groups. The Bible is not a secret treasure map like these current fundies seem to believe.
In the Roman Catholic mass, the Eucharist or “host”(the round wafer) is a symbol of the sun. It is normally placed during ceremonial masses on a monstrance with a crescent moon, symbolizing the plunging of the sun into the womb of the goddess. Some monstrances bear the letters “SFS,” which represents 666, as S was the sixth letter in the ancient Greek alphabet and F is the sixth letter in our alphabet.

The round disc in the crescent moon was a symbol of ancient Babylon, and is found in all the ancient religions. In Catholic cathedrals, these symbols are very prominent, often depicting a round form of mother and child within the crescent moon.

The rebirth of the sun god was celebrated by the eating of round bread in Babylonian times, and was common in Mithraism and Osiris worship. Historian Alexander Hislop says this:
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547688 Jul 5, 2014
Michael wrote:
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.....What you are saying is, the writers of the birth of Jesus story copied basically the same story of other mythical gods that came centuries before?
........and Christians believe the miraculous birth of Jesus, was Unique to christianity ..........but they are wrong?
Unbelievable!
The Catholics didn't create their own image of a god, as did the monotheistic Jews.

That left the Catholics with no other option than to make up a flamboyant story that the one God in the sky turned his back on the Jews as being vile and corrupt ... so that was their story and they are sticking to it.

The fact that in their personalized mythology they created Jesus to be the son of a Jewish god that first practiced Judaism and became a Jewish rabbi before choosing to become a Catholic, is no mystery to me.

They wanted others to believe that Jesus finally saw that Judaism was vile and corrupt and that is WHY Jesus wanted to become a Catholic ... pure and holy and born-again in Catholicized spirit.

If only the golden tongued Catholic John Chrysostom hadn't stretched the theology to the point of breaking ... he wouldn't have written that Jesus wanted the Jews SLAYED.

After all ... Jesus was supposed to come to earth to teach the meaning of the word LOVE ... not the meaning of the words hate, torture and murder.

Religion is all based on lies.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547689 Jul 5, 2014
Michael wrote:
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......A man named yeshua did not start Christianity. Christianity created the story about yeshua.
......same way socialism started. A movement of people created socialism, then later a leader was chosen to head the movement.
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Ihcuc was Catholicized into the word Jesus ... according to the Catholics ... and since the word Jesus means savior ... I presume that the word Ihcuc in Greek ALSO means savior.

And the word Christ ALSO means savior.

Masters of CON.

Ihcuc ... savior
Jesus ... savior
Christ ... savior
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547690 Jul 5, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ,
But first the monotheistic Jews said "Believe on the Lord Jehovah, as he has chosen ONLY Jews as his favorite few."

By the way ... at what time in history do you believe that Jesus chose to be a Protestant???

Was it after the Catholics cleansed him of Judaizing disease???

You insistent preaching FOOL!
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The beginnings of this de-Judaization of Christianity are visible already within the New Testament.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows ...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547691 Jul 5, 2014
L. Michael White: Professor of Classics and Director of the Religious Studies Program University of Texas at Austin

At what point did Christians start thinking of themselves as separate from Judaism?

The preacher of Antioch and later of Constantinople, John Chrysostom, complains in a series of eight sermons to his congregation, that "you must stop going to the Synagogue, you must not think that the Synagogue is a holier place than our churches are." This clearly indicates that the break between Judaism and Christianity, even as late as the 4th century ... still is not absolute, is not permanent.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows ...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547692 Jul 5, 2014
Oxbow wrote:
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This is saying that Christ was not a Catholic nor was He a Protestant...neither of which were on the scene at that time....there is nothing in those words that say Christ had no religion...
Christ was a Jew...
Judaism:
1. The monotheistic religion of the Jews, tracing its origins to Abraham and having its spiritual and ethical principles embodied chiefly in the Hebrew Scriptures and the Talmud.
2. Conformity to the traditional ceremonies and rites of the Jewish religion.
3. The cultural, religious, and social practices and beliefs of the Jews.
4. The Jews considered as a people or community.
There is no cure for it...you were born in that condition....so say your words...
So when Jesus chose to leave Judaism as being a VILE religion ... was he then without any religion???

The Catholics compiled the new testament to impress upon others that Jesus chose Catholicism as his new and ONLY HOLY religion.

That you don't GET that concept is your problem.
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Athanasian Creed
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547693 Jul 5, 2014
Liam wrote:
The Christian Bible only developed because
because Catholics wanted to start their own religion totally foreign from Judaism.

They turned the Jewish Passover into the Catholic Eucharist without so much as a backward glance.

Catholics were thieves.
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To the Christian disciples of the first century the conception of Jesus as Rabbi was self-evident, to the Christian disciples of the second century it was embarrassing, to the Christian disciples of the third century and beyond it was obscure.

The beginnings of this de-Judaization of Christianity are visible already within the New Testament.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows ...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547694 Jul 5, 2014
From the book,“History of Christianity,” by Clyde L. Manschreck … comes the following ……..

Christianity had its birth in Judaism. For a hundred years those within and without Christianity considered it a sect of Judaism, so close were the ties.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547695 Jul 5, 2014
Had the Catholics created their own personalized god rather than trying to steal the emotions of the Jewish god, they might have set a precedence for the Muslims and the Protestants to also create their own images of gods.

Instead, all of the dumbed-down factions tortured, and killed each other over who the one god loved.

And to this day they keep on with the insanity in the name of universal LOVE.

GOOD {{{"GRIEF!!!"}}}
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547696 Jul 5, 2014
The Gnostic Christians managed to create their own image of a head-haunch god.

If they had come before the Catholics rather than after, they could have shown the Catholics how very easy it was to create a god in their own image.
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Gnostics believed that there were actually two Gods, and that the God of the Jews was an evil or ignorant creator who deceived people.

https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/mag ...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547698 Jul 5, 2014
Many Gnostic are polytheists that believe in reincarnation.

They refer to that as secret knowledge ... even "though" the secret is OUT.
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Gnostic beliefs

Gnostics also believe in lesser gods subservient to the omnipotent Christian god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and...

Since: Feb 14

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#547699 Jul 5, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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That was the message from the Jews that were faithful to Judaism.
You are determined to steal the thunder from those Jews with your Protestant DRIVEL!
June, it's not about their Religion of Judaism, it was their " Evil" practicing that they didn't wanna turn away from..
Of Whom do you think Jesus was speaking out against?
It wasn't the Religion of Judaism, but of the High Priest and using " God" " Den Of Vipers"
He was the " Savoir" of All..
He didn't turn his Back on Judaism..
Jesus was faithful to Judaism..
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547700 Jul 5, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> June, it's not about their Religion of Judaism, it was their " Evil" practicing that they didn't wanna turn away from..
..
It's the same story CON-veniently told by the Protestants.

"Jesus would NEVER consider being associated with Catholics ... because the Catholics were and are far too evil. That is why Jesus waited for the Protestants to arrive on earth to bestow on them the one and only universal truth."

And you have your own personalized story. Jesus doesn't approve of any religion. He travels lite in spirit with you wherever you choose to take him.

Silly indoctrinations for silly people.

By the way, which "God" do you believe is Jesus' real father???

OH never mind ... No matter which title you "hang" on him ... he LOVES your HOLY spirit that is aligned to his HOLY spirit.

BWAAAGGHHH!!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547701 Jul 5, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus was faithful to Judaism..
You really do need a brush-up on common sense.

According to ALL Christian theology ... Jesus left his position as a Jewish rabbi ... beause he thought that Judaism AND the Jews were VILE ... period!!!

Within the theology ... had he placed any value on Judaism, he would have corrected the wayward Jews such as the first Catholics and Gnostic Christians and said ... "Come to me and learn how HOLY Judaism can BE in its true ESSENSE."

But because the Jesus-myth was created by the Catholics ... the story WENT that Jesus wanted the Jews slayed for not joining the Catholic religion as did Jesus.

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#547702 Jul 5, 2014
marge wrote:
Hey Ltm big sister, do you really believe your loved ones who received Jesus could loose their Salvation and go to h'll?
Is this something you worry about?
Does the person who loses their Salvation Know it?
We need to clear up this issue to proceed in fruitful preaching.
My 2 cents... marge,
If a person does not recognize a sin, he is in denial of Christ's teachings.

"We recognize that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for our sins and thus "opened the gates of Heaven," and that salvation is a free gift which no amount of human good deeds could ever earn. Catholics receive Christ's saving and sanctifying grace, and Christ Himself, into their souls when they are baptized. Yet they also know that Christ has established certain conditions for entry into eternal

happiness in Heaven – for example,

receiving His true Flesh and Blood (John

6:54) and keeping the commandments

(Matt. 19:17). If a Christian refuses or

neglects to obey Our Lord's commands

in a grave matter (that is, if he commits a mortal sin), Our Lord will not remain dwelling in his soul; and if a Christian dies in that state, having driven his Lord from his soul by serious sin, he will not be saved. As St. Paul warned the Galatians with regard to certain sins:

"They who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God." (Gal. 5:21).

It must be added that Christ will always forgive and return to a sinner who approaches Him with sincerity in the Sacrament of Penance.

Catholics follow St. Paul, who did not think that his salvation was guaranteed once and for all at the moment he first received Christ into his soul; for he wrote: "I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway." (I Cor. 9:27).

Also: "With fear and trembling work out your salvation. For it is God who

worketh in you..." (Phil. 2:12-13). "And unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required." (Luke 12:48).

"He that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved." (Matt. 10:22). Nevertheless, Catholics realize that even the fulfilling of Our Lord's requirements

for salvation is impossible without the free gift of His grace."
Michael

Canada

#547703 Jul 5, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
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because Catholics wanted to start their own religion totally foreign from Judaism.
They turned the Jewish Passover into the Catholic Eucharist without so much as a backward glance.
Catholics were thieves.
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To the Christian disciples of the first century the conception of Jesus as Rabbi was self-evident, to the Christian disciples of the second century it was embarrassing, to the Christian disciples of the third century and beyond it was obscure.
The beginnings of this de-Judaization of Christianity are visible already within the New Testament.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows ...
....Exactly,........how could 12 devout Jewish apostles be celebrating anything but a Jewish custom/tradition. Passover.

......Christianity at that point had yet to be invented.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#547704 Jul 5, 2014
Just a curious observation for those anti-intellectual protestant evangelical fundamentalists here who deny the early Church was Catholic;

Why do resident atheists here (and universally I assume) who are absolutely no friends to the Catholic Church (in fact they detest it more than most Christian communities), insist that history proves the Catholic Church was there from the beginning and that protestantism and protestant denominationalism were non-existent until the reformation?

Why possible reason would there be for them to side with the Catholics on this issue?

Why is it they can face the reality of historical proofs and evangelical fundamentalists can't?

What is it about evangelical fundamentalism that forces folks to deny history and /or refuse to study it?
Patriot

Denver, CO

#547705 Jul 5, 2014
FYI World

The following video explains some of the hidden (in plain sight) meanings of the messages 'they' send to one another. But what struck me at the 22:33 mark is his suspicion that the immigrant children that have been brought illegally into our country might be used for ritual sacrifice.

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Share to "Expose" and hopefully STOP this Satanic madness from happening.

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Five judges and 27 jury members from six countries including the USA, considered evidence on over 50,000 missing Canadian, US, Argentine and European children who were suspected victims of an international child sacrificial cult referred to as the Ninth Circle.

Read more at http://alternative-news.tk/blog/pope-francis-...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#547706 Jul 5, 2014
Within the wacky Catholic theology, if Jesus was born without original sin as a Jew ... why was he later as a Jewish rabbi cleansed by the Catholics of Judaizing disease???

The lies are in plain view for those who want to see.
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About.com Catholicism

Christ's Baptism Foreshadows Our Own:

At first glance, the Baptism of the Lord might seem an odd feast. Since the Catholic Church teaches that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for the remission of sins, particularly Original Sin, why was Christ baptized? After all, He was born without Original Sin, and He lived His entire life without sinning. Therefore, He had no need of the sacrament, as we do.

In submitting Himself humbly to the baptism of St. John the Baptist, however, Christ provided the example for the rest of us. If even He should be baptized, though He had no need of it, how much more should the rest of us be thankful for this sacrament, which frees us from the darkness of sin and incorporates us into the Church, the life of Christ on earth! His Baptism, therefore, was necessary--not for Him, but for us.

Many of the Fathers of the Church, as well as the medieval Scholastics, saw Christ's Baptism as the institution of the sacrament.

http://catholicism.about.com/od/holydaysandho...

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