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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 667948 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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concerned in Brasil

Europe

#536994 May 14, 2014
Dan wrote:
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The Decrees you noted affirm teachings and beliefs as doctrinal-they didn't change teachings or beliefs.
Vaticn I didn't change Church teachings.
You're being an idiot.
Assumption of Mary
Not Taught in Scripture

Catholic authors readily admit that the Assumption is not explicitly taught in Scripture.[1] In the biblical narrative, Mary is last mentioned in Acts 1 where she is found praying with the other disciples before Pentecost. After that, the Bible is silent about her life and death.

Not Taught by the Church Fathers

The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the first “genuine” written references to the Assumption come from authors who lived in the sixth to the eight centuries:

“If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete, St. John Damascene, St. Modestus of Jerusalem and others. In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first.”[2]

St. Gregory lived in the sixth century, while St John Damascene belongs to the eight. Thus for several centuries in the early Church, there is no mention by the church fathers of the bodily assumption of Mary. Irenaeus, Jerome, Augustine, Ambrose and the others Church Fathers said nothing about it. Writing in 377 A.D., church father Epiphanius states that no-one knows Mary’s end.[3]

“The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite”(Catholic Encyclopaedia).

The first church author to speak on the assumption, Gregory of Tours, based his teaching on the Transitus, perhaps because he accepted it as genuine.[4] However, in 459 A.D. Pope Gelasius issued a decree that officially condemned and rejected the Transitus along with several other heretical writings. Pope Hormisdas reaffirmed this decree in the sixth century.[5] It is ironic that this heretical teaching was later promoted within the Catholic Church, until eventually it was proclaimed a dogma in the twentieth century.

(Again the dogma in the 12th century for the Assumption came from an exactly the same type of Bull and decree as the dogma of Inquisition in the 12th century, both Papal Bulls and decrees were considered doctrine because they were decreed by a Big Papal Bull, it is only today the Rome picks and choose that which is politically expedient)

So the decree Papal Bull which in form and style FOR the Assumption of Mary is exactly like the one Given by Innocent the 3rd for Inquisition literally contradicts Scripture Early Church fathers and the Decrees of early so called RCC popes in the 3 4 -5 centuries.

Both dogma's Contradict the following from RCC Catechism

"The apostles entrust the 'Sacred deposit' of the faith (the depositum fidei), contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition, to the whole of the Church...[the Magisterium] teaches only what has been handed on to it...All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith" (, 84-86).

Yes RCC doctrine has change on the Inquisition and on the Assumption of Mary the evidence is definitive and overwhelming.

Yes Rome has also made dogma torture summary execution and confiscation of Property to convert non believers and to make heretics recant and it was affirmed by 42 popes as dogma,normative church practice

There are so many more examples that can be given but one is enough to rightfully and justly declare the RCC is not the one true church nor the sole deposit of faith it is a LIE

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#536995 May 14, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
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Good point.
That's how Christianity began. When in a minority, they were mostly philosophers.
When it became the State religion, the persecuted became the persecutors.
Religions are best -- more honest and less corrupt -- when they are persecuted.
Like me.
ramen
Those in religion are never honest, and they corrupt their selves when they preach they know universal truth.

If they were honest they would stick with the notion that they are all philosophers.

My guess is, those who today place high value on their sermons as being based on truth would laugh at the very thought that the men fresh out of the caves were theologians in touch with any semblance of truth whatsoever.

Yet those philosophers were the foundation of today's illusionary religious right-fighters.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#536996 May 14, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
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LMAO. You couldn't find it in the Catechism, so you posted a Wiki link instead.
Obviously, if you could find it in the Catechism, there would be no need for the Wiki link, nor for you to get angry and call me "lazy AND petulant."
You'd simply post it, right? But you can't, thus the name-calling (just like your Born-Again brothers -tisk, tisk).
Thank you for proving my point, and for the Wiki link.
Ahhhhh, peace ... and ramen :o)
If Catholics believed that the new testament was clear in its meanings, there would BE no Catechisms or need for any more words whatsoever.

When they go their bibles, Catholics don't agree on the meanings of words even with each other and especially with each other, as Martin Luther and his thundering bible-thumpers proved was true.

And as for Protestants agreeing with each other on meanings of words in their "book" that is also a joke, as the so-called founding fathers had to separate the Protestant religion from government so the Protestants would stop having the right to kill each other over who Jesus loved and who he would reject to hell.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#536998 May 14, 2014
The Philosopher's Drinking Song

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out consume
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
'bout the raisin' of the wrist.
Socrates himself was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
after half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away,
'alf a crate of whiskey every day!
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
and Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart:
"I drink, therefore I am."

Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.

-- Monty Python
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#536999 May 14, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
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I can forgive the robots, as they are taught since childhood not to question.
That a teacher of perfect morals had for decades -- no idea that child rape was a terrible and destructive sin? That's another story IMHO.
ramen
You make sssumptions to bolster your jaded opionions made of straw. First, your opinions are anything but humble. Second as pointed out to you many times in your blathering the church has never taught abuse is ok. The church has never taught its members always do what is right or always have the ideal answer to how to deal with situations.

There is absolutely zero evidence that abuse found in the church is greater than anywhere else religious or secular. There is an abundance of evidence that knowledge on how to best deal with it or that its not dealt with at all in many places globally and in fact in some cultures promoted. The majority of the evidence suggests a much lower rate in the church than elsewhere.

Canada only recently instituted child protection laws meanwhile Ayatollah Khomeni outlines what is ok with 6 yr olds. There is an abundance of public schools who either forgave and believed that it would never happen again or quietly dismissed. Govt only began passing laws to protect themselves when it became an issue. Again the standard practice though was to send them for treatment no time served until recently. They were released and offended again. Christianity in general teaches forgiveness. Given that people who specialize in abuse are still ambiguous about what to do or what may or may not work and in the past have claimed people who were cured when they clearly were not. I dont know how you expect someone who was never trained let alone the general public who are not aware of its abundance in society or how predators work or deal with them.

One child abused is too many. One of the biggest mistakes the church made was listening to psychologists and psychiatrists. Interesting that none of them came under fire or perhaps your claim is that the mental health community knew nothing. lol Very often predators in most ways are upstanding members in communities and are in trusted communities and people do not want to believe it about them. They are respected people, often charismatic, and hold positions of authority. Do you think Police never heard anything?

In the case of Cardinal law no less than 58 priests, 4 bishops and thousands of laity demanded his removal. Again its easy to look at things handled badly or incorrectly and demand accountablity when nobody had answers or even kowledge to deal with it nor do they today. Today their is noone who has done more to insitute change than the church, regardless of how it came about. In life in general most things are dealt with best when information is shared and things are made known to all. Hindsight is pure genius and even then the road ahead will not be perfect. Those who claim they have no problem or do nothing have fingers pointing right back and need to remove the log from their eye.

In short abuse is atrocious wherever it is. Abuse from members of clergy of any denomination another helping of bad. The important thing is for all to find and share ways that work with clear policies to help eliminate, treat and keep safer abuse and not just child abuse. Further societies who feel their is no need or promote it need to address it. Just dismissing people silently, giving them to authorities who quickly release them back into society to do it again is not answer.

So rage all you want, but saying that if everyone left the church it would all go away is completely disingenous and very self rigtheous in light of the facts. Did you need to give Mikey a fix? lol Nobody is saying abuse is ok. Nobody taught abuse is ok. Nobody says since its elsewhere it makes it ok. However it is not ok to just make it a Catholic issue and claim you really care about the problem at large.
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537000 May 14, 2014
guest wrote:
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<quoted text>
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ok then
so IF the Pope did NOT tell you to call him and all priests father ..... WHY OH WHY do you disobey Jesus the SON OF GOD?
I guess you can call that "good" ....
That's it? You've been bearing false witness against the Church Jesus founded for years on end and all that time have desecrated scripture, the very word of God, in an attempt to support that false witness. Your bigotry has not only become pathological but has taken on a life of it's own; it's organic. And all you can come up with is "ok then" when proven for the umpteenth time that you don't know what you're talking about?

I gave you at least three different links to very good articles explaining the correct interpretation of that passage, of what Christ was referring to, and why all the ancient Christian churches call their priests Father. You obviously didn't bother to read any of them. No wonder you keep repeating the same old errors over and over and over again. You don't care to educate yourself. Yet another reason why Christ left us His church, so that people such as yourself don't have to go wandering around in the dark anymore. Unless, of course, you choose to do so, which it appears you do.

Read. If you have any questions, ask us. Btw, the Pope is a priest, no need to say "pope and priests" since he is one. The word "pope" comes from the Latin "papa" and the Greek "pappas" meaning, well, Papa. It's a title of affection. The Coptic Orthodox also have a pope.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#537001 May 14, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You make sssumptions to bolster your jaded opionions made of straw. First, your opinions are anything but humble. Second as pointed out to you many times in your blathering the church has never taught abuse is ok. The church has never taught its members always do what is right or always have the ideal answer to how to deal with situations.
There is absolutely zero evidence that abuse found in the church is greater than anywhere else religious or secular. There is an abundance of evidence that knowledge on how to best deal with it or that its not dealt with at all in many places globally and in fact in some cultures promoted. The majority of the evidence suggests a much lower rate in the church than elsewhere.
Canada only recently instituted child protection laws meanwhile Ayatollah Khomeni outlines what is ok with 6 yr olds. There is an abundance of public schools who either forgave and believed that it would never happen again or quietly dismissed. Govt only began passing laws to protect themselves when it became an issue. Again the standard practice though was to send them for treatment no time served until recently. They were released and offended again. Christianity in general teaches forgiveness. Given that people who specialize in abuse are still ambiguous about what to do or what may or may not work and in the past have claimed people who were cured when they clearly were not. I dont know how you expect someone who was never trained let alone the general public who are not aware of its abundance in society or how predators work or deal with them.
One child abused is too many. One of the biggest mistakes the church made was listening to psychologists and psychiatrists. Interesting that none of them came under fire or perhaps your claim is that the mental health community knew nothing. lol Very often predators in most ways are upstanding members in communities and are in trusted communities and people do not want to believe it about them. They are respected people, often charismatic, and hold positions of authority. Do you think Police never heard anything?
In the case of Cardinal law no less than 58 priests, 4 bishops and thousands of laity demanded his removal. Again its easy to look at things handled badly or incorrectly and demand accountablity when nobody had answers or even kowledge to deal with it nor do they today. Today their is noone who has done more to insitute change than the church, regardless of how it came about. In life in general most things are dealt with best when information is shared and things are made known to all. Hindsight is pure genius and even then the road ahead will not be perfect. Those who claim they have no problem or do nothing have fingers pointing right back and need to remove the log from their eye.
In short abuse is atrocious wherever it is. Abuse from members of clergy of any denomination another helping of bad. The important thing is for all to find and share ways that work with clear policies to help eliminate, treat and keep safer abuse and not just child abuse. Further

cut for space

So rage all you want, but saying that if everyone left the church it would all go away is completely disingenous and very self rigtheous in light of the facts. Did you need to give Mikey a fix? lol Nobody is saying abuse is ok. Nobody taught abuse is ok. Nobody says since its elsewhere it makes it ok. However it is not ok to just make it a Catholic issue and claim you really care about the problem at large.
once again this post is one big Blah of rabbit trails and straw man arguments.

The issue was not nor has it been that its more or less prevalent in the RCC that is the Rabbit trail

The issue is on a corporate level Rome has tried to cover it up and the institution known as the RCC is culpable for the acts as Rome has been aiding and abiding the guilty from being brought to Justice.

That is why Rome has paid out billions.
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537002 May 14, 2014
Oh, brother, here we go again......

The Orthodox Church of America

Dormition of the Theotokos

The feast of the Dormition or Falling-asleep of the Theotokos is celebrated on the fifteenth of August, preceded by a two-week fast. This feast, which is also sometimes called the Assumption, commemorates the death, resurrection and glorification of Christ’s mother. It proclaims that Mary has been “assumed” by God into the heavenly kingdom of Christ in the fullness of her spiritual and bodily existence.
http://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/w...
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537003 May 14, 2014
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America

Feast of the Dormition of our Most Holy Lady, The Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary

The Feast of the Dormition of Our Most Holy Lady, the Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary is celebrated on August 15 each year. The Feast commemorates the repose (dormition and in the Greek kimisis) or "falling-asleep" of the Mother of Jesus Christ, our Lord. The Feast also commemorates the translation or assumption into heaven of the body of the Theotokos.
http://www.goarch.org/special/listen_learn_sh...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537004 May 14, 2014
Alcoholism Among Clergy

On the issue of alcoholism and recovery, I have the following to offer. I spent the day surfing the net to see what resources were out there to aid ministers and clergy in recovery from alcoholism. My first discovery did not surprise me at all. Alcoholism amongst clergy members is higher than the general population. One estimate placed substance abuse amongst clergy at 4 times that of the general population. While I doubt this estimate is accurate (2 to 3 times the national average is probably more realistic), alcoholism and substance abuse is clearly a big problem among clergy members.

http://onlinechristiancoffeehouse.blogspot.ca...

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#537005 May 14, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
Rejoice with those who rejoice; Mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do no be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 12:15-16
Amen , sister ..

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537006 May 14, 2014
Alcoholism Among Clergy

Not surprisingly, the Catholic Church has taken a huge lead in the fight to aid recovery amongst it's clergy. I found numerous sites on the web listing treatment facilities and groups dedicated to helping Catholic priests in their fight against drug and alcohol abuse. There is even the NCCA (National Catholic Committee on Alcoholism) which offers help and information to clergy and laity alike amongst the Catholic faithful.

http://onlinechristiancoffeehouse.blogspot.ca...
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537007 May 14, 2014
INTERESTING article from the Coptic Church, especially the last paragraph......

Feast of the Assumption of Saint Mary

The orthodox Copts celebrated the Feast of the Assumption of Saint Mary on August 22, 2007. I would like to extend my greetings and the warmest wishes to all the readers, and join other Copts in glorifying the Virgin Mary saying “axia: axia: axia: ti agia Maria ti parthenos”, worthy, worthy, worthy is the Virgin saint Mary.“Oo eklom en noob: oo eklom en hat: oo eklom enoani em mar ghari tees e ehree ejen et a fe ti agia Maria ti parthenos”, crowns of gold, crowns of silver, crowns of precious stones on the head of the Virgin saint Mary.

The Feast of the Assumption of Saint Mary, Mesora 16th on the Coptic calendar culminates a fasting period of about two weeks. The vast majority of Copts observe this very popular fasting period, though it coincides with summer vacations for many, as they revere the Virgin Mary as their heavenly mother.

Many Muslims in Egypt secretly observe this fasting period in honor “Setena el adra”,“our lady the Virgin”, as many Muslims have witnessed miraculous answers to their petitions, and the healing power of God at the hands of the Virgin Mary from diverse diseases and tumors. In fact, I remember distinctly in a visit to Egypt years ago, as I was walking through the alleys of “Miser el kadima” churches area, I noticed with some astonishment I should add, several men and women in Islamic dress visiting the churches and asking the priests to pray for their healing.
http://www.copticassembly.org/showart.php...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537008 May 14, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You make sssumptions to bolster your jaded opionions made of straw. First, your opinions are anything but humble. Second as pointed out to you many times in your blathering the church has never taught abuse is ok.
To teach members of a supposedly godly organization that there are heretics out there that god wants killed IS teaching that abuse is ordained BY the supposed god.

You don't want to admit that your teachers were misguided by their own choice of words ... and that is a big problem for you.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537009 May 14, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
Rejoice with those who rejoice; Mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do no be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 12:15-16
How funny!

Live in harmony with one another.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

How demeaning

People of low position.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>

How phony

Do not be conceited.

:)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537010 May 14, 2014
When people believe they will go to eternal bliss and others will go to eternal hell ... they are terribly conceited.

There is not one shred of humility in that belief. NOT ONE SHRED!
Regina

Toms River, NJ

#537011 May 14, 2014
Seraphima wrote:
Rejoice with those who rejoice; Mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do no be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 12:15-16
And so we do mourn with one another, yes? and rejoice. These are just squabbles; when it comes to the "big stuff" we know what to do. Beautiful reminder, though. Here's another lovely passage from the same epistle:

Romans 8:26:27

The Spirit comes to the aid of our weakness; when we do not know what prayer to offer, to pray as we ought, the Spirit himself intercedes for us, with groans beyond all utterance:and God, who can read our hearts, knows well what the Spirit's intent is; for indeed it is according to the mind of God that he makes intercession for the saints.

Isn't that beautiful?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537012 May 14, 2014
And a graduate degree in conjunction with preaching religion as truth is not worth the paper it is written on, because the fact is, the philosophers don't agree on who really does own the rights to the supposed only universal truth.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>

Ministers in any denomination are in short supply. Amongst professionals requiring a graduate degree, we are among the lowest paid. Many would rather be doctors and lawyers, because after all that is where the real money is. Ministers are conditioned to put the needs of others ahead of their own needs and those of their families. There is, as a result, a high level of "burnout" even in the best of circumstances. Add alcoholism and substance abuse to the picture, and the problem is increased dramatically. Yet many denominations turn a blind eye to the problem. They seem to treat the illness of alcoholism the same way a practicing alcoholic treats the problem...through denial.

http://onlinechristiancoffeehouse.blogspot.ca...
Dan

United States

#537013 May 14, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO. You couldn't find it in the Catechism, so you posted a Wiki link instead.
Obviously, if you could find it in the Catechism, there would be no need for the Wiki link, nor for you to get angry and call me "lazy AND petulant."
You'd simply post it, right? But you can't, thus the name-calling (just like your Born-Again brothers -tisk, tisk).
Thank you for proving my point, and for the Wiki link.
Ahhhhh, peace ... and ramen :o)
You're missing the point.

What's contained in the Catehcism IS teaching that's held inerrant by the faithful.

"Infallible" teachings in the context of this discussion are ones issued directly by Popes, so I found a listing of some via Wiki.

And I apologized for being snippy.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#537015 May 14, 2014
Regina wrote:
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Romans 8:26:27
The Spirit comes to the aid of our weakness;
But NOT to those that you perceive are "heretics" ... RIGHT??? And how unfair THAT would be, if it was based on any semblance of truth.

Those in other religions are every bit as devout in their faith as are you ... but you certain that you can hog the whole limelight and bathe in it by your own will.

Selfish is the vein of religion.

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