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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 627010 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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concerned in Brasil

Europe

#536804 May 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
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But, the "sane people" you cited at New Advent didn't say that Papal Bulls were doctrinal.
Now what? You're arguing with your own cited source that you earlier provided as "proff" of your position.
You're simply back to making an unfounded claim
Yes it was doctrine clearly it was as it was issued by a Papal bull and Decree
Lets revisit the definition that all sane men and women recognize
Doctrine and or Dogma take your pick same word different languages
A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Archaic Something taught; a teaching.
42 two Popes not One or two as you try to deceitful portray via Papal bull and Decree in what even New Advent admits was a Apostolic letter to all of Romes Dioceses that Inquisition was now instituted and official Church teaching to be administrated by a newly formed branch of Priests no less and official Pope approved manuals issued on how to torture were issued again reaffirmed by 41 popes after the fact.
In which Torture Summary executions confiscation of money and property were normative church teaching and practice for over 400+ years all in the name of Jesus to convert non believers and to make heretics to recant and with out any doubt millions upon millions executed and even more Millions who were tortured and had their wealth confiscated.
AGAIN IT WAS NOT ALLOWED BY 42 POPES IT WAS INSTITUTED BY 42 POPES AND THEY AFFIRMED AND CONDONED AND PROMOTED ITS USE.
Get your head out of the sand and repent while you have the opportunity.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#536805 May 13, 2014
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Putting (your own words) into other peoples mouths is just another twist that you excel at! I NEVER said that I wouldn't be posting to you again!..What I DID say is that I wouldN't waist my time ( or need ANY other Catholic) discussing or debating the Fullness of the TRUTH and the TRUE Faith and Salvation in Jesus Christ in and through His historically and biblically authenticated one True Catholic Church., bible only (self made preachers) who have "no idea" as to what they are talking about when it comes to Jesus Christ and His Universal Catholic Church..
I never posted you were going to stop posting to me I said I assume you are if the discussion is over as you posted.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT you don't even have a grasp of the English language let alone anything else. Are you 14-15 years old??
hojo

Chanhassen, MN

#536806 May 13, 2014
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
Hojo, I am so glad that you've met Jesus and the fullness of His teachings in the Church He founded. It's so wonderful that you now receive His joy and His peace in the way He has always planned for you and for all those who follow Him.
Thanks Regina!... It is a treat to hear from you and to know that Our Lord is leading and guiding us, to the Truth of Salvation in and through His True a Catholic Church. Please say a prayer for me to receive more of of Gods Grace patience in dealing with bible only Protestants and their heretical attacks on Jesus Christ and his One True Catholic Church. Gods Blessings to you and your family!!!!!
guest

United States

#536807 May 13, 2014
guest wrote:
And BTW, hojo, the TRUTH regarding Jesus Christ ... is that you gotta STOP calling him a LIAR.
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You call him a liar when you usurp HIS authority in favor of the Pope!
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Starting with, Matt 23:9, "Call No Man Your Father."
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hojo wrote:
I have NEVER called him a liar!!........You are the one that pulled that term "out of your vocabulary"and so by your own use of the word ---you obviously are "labeling him" (that) yourself!......
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Jesus said, Matt 23:9, "Call NO MAN Your Father."
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Pope said, "Call priests and popes Father."
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the one you disobey, is the one you call a liar.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#536808 May 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
All I did was refute the source YOU provided in support of YOUR argument.
You said papal bulls were doctrinal/dogmatic, provided the New Advent section on Papal Bulls as support, and that source didn't even USE the words doctrine nor dogma.
You failed to support your own argument with your own source.
So, what I "know is true" is that you have made a claim without support.
Thought I post what you keep ignoring that which you have not refuted in the slightest.

Ahh yes and this brings us to the conundrum Rome faced in 1870
Because in the Middle ages all Big Bull's issued by a Pope and decreed (meaning announced to all) were considered the word of God, that is why when Inoncent the 3rd via Papal Bull and decree declared Inquisition and Instituted it and formed a new branck of Priests to implement no one doubt it was God's will and dogma for nearly 500 years and affirmed as such by 41 subsequent Popes. New Advent clearly states the are Apostolic Letters carry the same authority as a Apostle of the NT.
But in 1870 the majority of the masses are now literate and can see the glaring contradictions in Romes assertions because they can read it themselves. so Rome comes up with a new and novel idea of infallibility that no Pope every mentions previous in the first 600 years of RCC history and not to mention ever in the first 1000 years of Christianity.
Why so they can recant that which came before and jsut say that was one popes opinion LOL ROFL
If your 5 year old tried that you would ground your child for a month.

Here once again is the RCC and its RC members shell game.
So when any apostle in the Bible sent a letter and Epistle with instructions saying this is how to practice Christianity, this is how one is saved it was regarded as dogma. This was because the Apostle was and Apostle i.e. and envoy or messenger of God no less.
So Advent states that the Bull and Decree from Innocent the 3rd was an Apostolic Letter in which he instructs a new sect of Priests how to convert non believers or make heretics recant via torture, summary executions and confiscation of money and property.
So now because the word dogma is not used you what to shuck and dive out of the implications of the words used on Advent but if you do you shuck and dive your way out of the meaning of the words then you also shuck and dive out of the explicit teachings of the Bible and thus render yourself non Christian and anti-Jesus.

Yes it was doctrine clearly it was as it was issued by a Papal bull and Decree

Lets revisit the definition that all sane men and women recognize

Doctrine and or Dogma take your pick same word different languages

A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Archaic Something taught; a teaching.

42 two Popes not One or two as you try to deceitful portray via Papal bull and Decree in what even New Advent admits was a Apostolic letter to all of Romes Dioceses that Inquisition was now instituted and official Church teaching to be administrated by a newly formed branch of Priests no less and official Pope approved manuals issued on how to torture were issued again reaffirmed by 41 popes after the fact.

In which Torture Summary executions confiscation of money and property were normative church teaching and practice for over 400+ years all in the name of Jesus to convert non believers and to make heretics to recant and with out any doubt millions upon millions executed and even more Millions who were tortured and had their wealth confiscated.

AGAIN IT WAS NOT ALLOWED BY 42 POPES IT WAS INSTITUTED BY 42 POPES AND THEY AFFIRMED AND CONDONED AND PROMOTED ITS USE.
Dan

United States

#536809 May 13, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it was doctrine clearly it was as it was issued by a Papal bull and Decree
Lets revisit the definition that all sane men and women recognize
Doctrine and or Dogma take your pick same word different languages
A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Archaic Something taught; a teaching.
42 two Popes not One or two as you try to deceitful portray via Papal bull and Decree in what even New Advent admits was a Apostolic letter to all of Romes Dioceses that Inquisition was now instituted and official Church teaching to be administrated by a newly formed branch of Priests no less and official Pope approved manuals issued on how to torture were issued again reaffirmed by 41 popes after the fact.
In which Torture Summary executions confiscation of money and property were normative church teaching and practice for over 400+ years all in the name of Jesus to convert non believers and to make heretics to recant and with out any doubt millions upon millions executed and even more Millions who were tortured and had their wealth confiscated.
AGAIN IT WAS NOT ALLOWED BY 42 POPES IT WAS INSTITUTED BY 42 POPES AND THEY AFFIRMED AND CONDONED AND PROMOTED ITS USE.
Get your head out of the sand and repent while you have the opportunity.
"Yes it was doctrine clearly it was as it was issued by a Papal bull and Decree"

Again, you haven't provided support for this claim.

Cite the Catechism of the Catholic Church (which is where their doctrinal teachings are located) that indicates how heretics are to be treated. OR, provide a source that instructs us that Papal bulls are donctrinal/dogmatic pronouncements. Your earlier source did not make that claim nor support yours.

We'll wait.

Thanks

Dan

United States

#536810 May 13, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Thought I post what you keep ignoring that which you have not refuted in the slightest.
Ahh yes and this brings us to the conundrum Rome faced in 1870
Because in the Middle ages all Big Bull's issued by a Pope and decreed (meaning announced to all) were considered the word of God, that is why when Inoncent the 3rd via Papal Bull and decree declared Inquisition and Instituted it and formed a new branck of Priests to implement no one doubt it was God's will and dogma for nearly 500 years and affirmed as such by 41 subsequent Popes. New Advent clearly states the are Apostolic Letters carry the same authority as a Apostle of the NT.
But in 1870 the majority of the masses are now literate and can see the glaring contradictions in Romes assertions because they can read it themselves. so Rome comes up with a new and novel idea of infallibility that no Pope every mentions previous in the first 600 years of RCC history and not to mention ever in the first 1000 years of Christianity.
Why so they can recant that which came before and jsut say that was one popes opinion LOL ROFL
If your 5 year old tried that you would ground your child for a month.
Here once again is the RCC and its RC members shell game.
So when any apostle in the Bible sent a letter and Epistle with instructions saying this is how to practice Christianity, this is how one is saved it was regarded as dogma. This was because the Apostle was and Apostle i.e. and envoy or messenger of God no less.
So Advent states that the Bull and Decree from Innocent the 3rd was an Apostolic Letter in which he instructs a new sect of Priests how to convert non believers or make heretics recant via torture, summary executions and confiscation of money and property.
So now because the word dogma is not used you what to shuck and dive out of the implications of the words used on Advent but if you do you shuck and dive your way out of the meaning of the words then you also shuck and dive out of the explicit teachings of the Bible and thus render yourself non Christian and anti-Jesus.
Yes it was doctrine clearly it was as it was issued by a Papal bull and Decree
Lets revisit the definition that all sane men and women recognize
Doctrine and or Dogma take your pick same word different languages
A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
Archaic Something taught; a teaching.
42 two Popes not One or two as you try to deceitful portray via Papal bull and Decree in what even New Advent admits was a Apostolic letter to all of Romes Dioceses that Inquisition was now instituted and official Church teaching to be administrated by a newly formed branch of Priests no less and official Pope approved manuals issued on how to torture were issued again reaffirmed by 41 popes after the fact...(snipped for space)
"Thought I post what you keep ignoring that which you have not refuted in the slightest."
"Because in the Middle ages all Big Bull's issued by a Pope and decreed (meaning announced to all) were considered the word of God"
I dispute this as a statement of fact and have asked for verification from you for this claim.
Thus far, you have provided a citation from the New Advent online Catholic Encyclopedia which does NOT support your claim.
Your repeating unsubstantiated claims doesn't make them more than that by virtue of you repeating them. I need support for the claim.
Gods R Delusions x Mine

Orlando, FL

#536811 May 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The CC never made the claim that the Bible was perspicuous "clear word" that all could interpret themselves.
That's why there IS a Catechism.
OK, you got me. It is not the "clear" word" as I had thought.

Just the words of a god, who obviously doesn't write that clearly, so we need an even larger book to understand the smaller Bible that this god wrote.

Silly me, I thought a god would be better at written communication.

After all, wouldn't clarity in communication be better evidence that the words were indeed of a true god?

But that's just my opinion.

So where are the 4-5 infallible teachings that your god gave to mankind? Are they not listed in the Catechism?

ramen
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#536812 May 13, 2014
HERE IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT----

"Could an alien deception be part of the end times?"

Answer: We know that the events surrounding the end times, as described in the Bible, will include a powerful deception (Matthew 24:24). Recently, interest has been rising in the theory that this deception will include alien beings from another planet. Odd as it may seem, this theory is entirely plausible from a Christian perspective. Although the Bible gives us no word about whether or not aliens exist—there is no inclusion of them in the creation account in Genesis, and no mention of them elsewhere—the Bible does tell us about visitors from another world—the spiritual world.

Since the beginning, instances of demons (fallen angels) visiting the earth have been witnessed and recorded. We know from Eve’s encounter with Satan that demons are interested in monitoring (and altering) the progress of humanity. They want to be involved, with the goal of drawing humanity away from the worship of God and turning mankind’s attention instead to them. Another notable instance of their interaction with us is found in Genesis 6:4 with the arrival of the "sons of God." The Genesis account states that these powerful beings had sexual intercourse with women and produced a super race of beings known as the Nephilim. This sounds like the stuff of science fiction, yet it is right there in the Bible. There are striking similarities between this account and the accounts of other ancient cultures. The writings of the ancient Sumerians, for example (who were the first to produce a written language) mention the presence of the “Anunnaki” who were deities that came from heaven to dwell on earth with men. It is also interesting to note that the Sumerians’ gods often came to them in the form of snakes.

These accounts, seen alongside the amazing things created by ancient man, make it possible to theorize that demons, in the form of beings from another world, came to earth, bringing spectacular wisdom and knowledge to men, and “intermarrying” with their daughters in an attempt to draw men away from God. We already see from Eve’s experience with the serpent that demons will use the temptation of superior wisdom to ensnare man and that man is very susceptible to it.

Could the end times include a similar alien deception? The Bible doesn’t directly address the issue, but it is certainly plausible, for a variety of reasons. First, the Bible tells us that the world will unite under the power of the Antichrist. In order to achieve an agreement between all the world’s religions, it would make sense for the “uniter” to come from an entirely new source—an extraterrestrial source. It is hard to imagine one religion becoming head of all the others, unless new, unearthly knowledge were the source of the appeal and power of the new “religion.” This would be in keeping with past deceptions and would be a very effective way to deceive a large number of people.

Second, this deception could provide an answer to the problem of earth’s origins. The scientific theory that the evolution of life on earth was spontaneously generated still has no answer for life’s beginnings. There is evidence for a “big bang,” but that still doesn’t explain what caused the big bang to occur. If alien beings arrived and gave us an extraterrestrial explanation for life on earth, the origins of the world religions, and even the origins of our planet, it would be very persuasive.

CONT
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#536813 May 13, 2014
CONT

That said, we should not fear. The Lord has said that He will not leave us or forsake us, and that He will protect us (1 Kings 8:57; Matthew 10:31; Isaiah 41:10). Demons / angels are not omnipotent, nor are they omnipresent. Jesus said that in the end times His appearing would be like the lightning—easily visible to all. He said to be wary of any being that says “I am the Christ” or any group that said “He’s over there” or “He’s in here”(Matthew 24:23-24). He said that vultures gather around a dead body, meaning that if you see a group of people gathering around someone claiming to be Christ, that person is death and a false prophet.

We should be wary of any person or being that produces signs and wonders without biblical fidelity or the presence of obedience to the Lord Jesus, anyone who provides a way to unite the world religions or governments (Revelation 13:5-8), any being that promotes unnatural sexual relationships (Genesis 6:4; Jude 1:6-7), and of course, any person that denies that Jesus is God (2 John 1:7). Furthermore, anyone who presents a “substitute” Jesus, who represents Him as “a god but not the God” or who claims He was merely a good teacher, simply a human, or even a super-human or an alien creature, is a deceiver.

Lastly, if demons manifesting as aliens are part of the end times, we should remember that they, too, are created beings, subject to a sovereign God, and ultimately answerable to Him. Whether in alien form or not, the descriptions of demons in Revelation are frightening (Revelation 9:1-12), but we should not fear those who can kill the body, but only Him who can kill the body and the soul in hell (Matthew 10:28). No matter what happens to us on the earth, we should trust that the Lord is the Savior, Redeemer, and Protector of the souls of those who put their trust in Him (Psalm 9:10; 22:5).

://www.gotquestions.org
Gods R Delusions x Mine

Orlando, FL

#536814 May 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Deeds in accord with His word count "more".
Nice spin.

You surely know what Jesus said about how we should judge. "Know them by their deeds," I believe.

I get it. You want zero accountability for the deeds of the RCC. The crimes of the Inquisitions aren't written doctrine, just deeds.

Are you saying Jesus was wrong?

I get it. It's a delusion and you are forced to defend the indefensible. I've made my point. No need to spin it further -- unless you want to debate your own god.

ramen
Gods R Delusions x Mine

Orlando, FL

#536815 May 13, 2014
For all you skeptics out there, especially June....

Here is a music video from Heaven (aka space).

http://www.iflscience.com/space/chris-hadfiel...

What do the skeptics say now!!!

ramen
Dan

United States

#536816 May 13, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, you got me. It is not the "clear" word" as I had thought.
Just the words of a god, who obviously doesn't write that clearly, so we need an even larger book to understand the smaller Bible that this god wrote.
Silly me, I thought a god would be better at written communication.
After all, wouldn't clarity in communication be better evidence that the words were indeed of a true god?
But that's just my opinion.
So where are the 4-5 infallible teachings that your god gave to mankind? Are they not listed in the Catechism?
ramen
The CC believes that divinely inspired text requires divinely inspired interpretation. Thus, the teachings of the Church over the milennia.

The Ten Commandments are infallible teachings that God gave to mankind. That's more than 4 or 5, so we're in the bonus already.

There's no "list" per se of infallible teachings (Ex Cathedra-from the Chair of Peter). Two come to mind-the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary.

These weren't bulletins to the faithful when proclaimed Ex Cathjedra, as these beliefs had been nurtured through devotion, prayer, and local teaching for centuries prior to becoming official papal teaching. The Pope didn't wake up that morning and have a vision or something.
Dan

United States

#536817 May 13, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice spin.
You surely know what Jesus said about how we should judge. "Know them by their deeds," I believe.
I get it. You want zero accountability for the deeds of the RCC. The crimes of the Inquisitions aren't written doctrine, just deeds.
Are you saying Jesus was wrong?
I get it. It's a delusion and you are forced to defend the indefensible. I've made my point. No need to spin it further -- unless you want to debate your own god.
ramen
Jesus was referring to false prophets in that verse. Matthew 7:15, 16.

I never said that those who commit bad acts should not be accountable. Ever. The Church has acknowledged the ills of the Inquisition themselves, repented of thes acts and begged forgiveness.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/1...

You're simply kocking down a straw man here. All I've said is that Church doctrine never called for the crimes committes against heretics. Those orders came from bad actors.
Dan

United States

#536818 May 13, 2014
Gods R Delusions x Mine wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, you got me. It is not the "clear" word" as I had thought.
Just the words of a god, who obviously doesn't write that clearly, so we need an even larger book to understand the smaller Bible that this god wrote.
Silly me, I thought a god would be better at written communication.
After all, wouldn't clarity in communication be better evidence that the words were indeed of a true god?
But that's just my opinion.
So where are the 4-5 infallible teachings that your god gave to mankind? Are they not listed in the Catechism?
ramen
"Just the words of a god, who obviously doesn't write that clearly"

Who has claimed that God penned the scriptures personally?

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#536819 May 13, 2014
Re: Call no man Father....

People call their own dad "father"
Bible say call no one "teacher" too, ha, ha...students!

Read your Bible.... All of it not just a verse here and there!

"Catholics call their priests "Father" because in all matters pertaining to

Christ's holy faith they perform the duties of a father, representing God.

The priest is the agent of the Christian's supernatural birth and

sustenance in the world. "Father" is a title which does not conflict in the

slightest with Matthew 23:9. Christ forbids the Christian to acknowledge

any fatherhood which conflicts with the Fatherhood of God, just as He

commands the Christian to "hate" his father, mother, wife, and his own life

insofar as these conflict with the following of Christ.(Luke 14:26). But

Christ does not forbid Christians to call His own representatives by the

name of "Father". Catholic priests share in the priesthood of Jesus Christ

(not a human priesthood), and their sacred ministry partakes of the

Fatherhood of God. Like St. Paul (himself a Catholic priest), every

Catholic priest can refer to the souls he has spiritually begotten as his

children in Christ.(1 Cor. 4:14).

St. Paul considered himself to be the

spiritual father, in Christ,

of the Corinthians: "For if you have ten thousand

instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, be the

gospel, I have begotten you." (1 Cor. 4:15). The title of "Father" is entirely

proper for an ordained priest of Jesus Christ."

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#536820 May 13, 2014
Aquarius-WY

Wrote.......

"In which version of the Bible, which chapter, and which verse did Christ pray for "we BE ONE"?

We are not. We will be not. Christ said so Himself.

Show me where Christ said as you claim."

End quote

StarC
Writes....

EPH. 4: 5

"One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism"

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#536821 May 13, 2014
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
....Let me guess. You wake up at noon, go to bingo, then race home to watch Opera, and when your husband comes home you tell him how hard your day was. Unbelievable!
....You went to school for years to become what? a housewife? Maybe I am wrong! You didn't go to school. Who does that today? Lazy people.
....I take my hat off to women who work, nurses, doctors, teachers, clerks, police officers, firefighters, bus drivers, waitresses etc.
.......Do something constructive with your life instead of watching Opera and the Price is right all day, as many young women do who don't want to work to help support their family.
...You are definetly in a tiny minority today.
.....,Work is good for the soul, but I thought you would know that.
...Put your bingo blotter away. Do something constructive. OMG!
LOL

Ha ha, are you describing your life????

This post is to ridiculous for a reply . To personal.
Wouldn't you like to know what I do all day, well old man it's none of your business. Get a life and stop being so nosey !!
Are you sure you are not the little old lady that lives next door????
:D

#nosey

#mikeoldlady

#goforawalk

#getoffthecomputer

#offtopic

#nuts

#clueless
Gods R Delusions x Mine

Orlando, FL

#536822 May 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The CC believes that divinely inspired text requires divinely inspired interpretation. Thus, the teachings of the Church over the milennia.
The Ten Commandments are infallible teachings that God gave to mankind. That's more than 4 or 5, so we're in the bonus already.
There's no "list" per se of infallible teachings (Ex Cathedra-from the Chair of Peter). Two come to mind-the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary.
These weren't bulletins to the faithful when proclaimed Ex Cathjedra, as these beliefs had been nurtured through devotion, prayer, and local teaching for centuries prior to becoming official papal teaching. The Pope didn't wake up that morning and have a vision or something.
We were talking about the 4-5 infallible church teachings that you mentioned. Remeber? 4-5 was your number.

Until today, I never heard anyone claim the 10 Commandments were included as part of the RCC's infallible teachings.

I get it. You have no choice. As absurd as the Born-Agains are being with you, you are doing the same with me.

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#536823 May 13, 2014
Michael wrote
"....Star C says things haven't changed in 2000 years.

.....Michael says...(lol). Where have you been girl? Love your humor.

.....47,000 nuns LCWR. in america are defying the Vatican, and support for them is growing. Google .....Nuns Defy Vatican.

.....During the past 2 years so far over 1,100 catholic priests have formed a union or Association of US Priests....and they support the defying nuns.
..Google....... priests support nuns Chicago....

.... National poll October 2013 catholics lapsed and devout support same sex marriage.
..Google..... national poll catholic same sex...

Of course catholics haven't changed one bit in 2000 years.(lol)
(lol). You go girl!!!

PS my browser isn't working so Google those websites. Never mind you won't you don't like to know the truth.

....Nothing has changed in 2000 years she says. That's a good one!(lol)

....From Michaels worldwide news desk, where the news keeps on coming."
End Quote

Duh!

Just because people form group, does NOT mean they can make a "change"

The paint can change color, the foundation stays the same![Dogma]

Alway will, always has! The same for over 2000 years !!!

You are confusing what I said.
AGAIN!!

#nuts

#clueless

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