Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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May 4, 2014
 
I suggest that the Christians implied that the god of the Jews no longer had any use for the vile Jews, because the Christian NEEDED that god for their new religion.

There was and is a lot of skullduggery in religious CIRCLES.

If the religious philosophers had admitted that they didn't have answers concerning the supposed future, many, many lives would have been spared. There would have been no burning at the stake ... no drowning of humans to see if they could swim when their limbs were tied together to prove that no "evil" was in them.

You can see right now the few Protestants and Catholics that are posting vicious intent at each other on this forum are the left-overs of the burning times when humans went up in flames as evil offenders of gods.

Now they fight with words, but I suggest that given any power and they would kill each other in anger and bitterness as occurred short centuries earlier.

Religion is horrible indeed!
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Michael wrote:
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..(lol)...what? God doesn't give you special powers to convert protestants? You fooled me!
You've been "fooled" every since you rejected Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic a Catholic Church!

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Quotes from bible only Protestants who left their Churches to become Catholics:
" I didn't agree with my Protestant Pastor when he said that there was nothing wrong with abortion
You are such a hypocrite hojo.
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From the book “Morgentaler … The doctor who couldn’t turn away … by Eleanor Wright Pelrine, Published 1975 … comes the following ………

The majority of Henry Morgentaler’s patients (over 80 per cent) identify themselves as Roman Catholic, weighing the burden of unplanned, unwanted pregnancy against the dictates of celibate churchmen, and coming to terms with their own consciences.

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From the book “Moments on Maple Avenue … The reality of Abortion, by Louise Kapp
Howe, published in 1984 … comes the following …………….

You know, it’s interesting who protests and who doesn’t. Over 90 percent of the women coming to one of our clinics for abortions are Catholic. They don’t necessarily have more of a problem about what they are doing than others. It seems to be more of a matter of individuals, doesn’t it?”
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Israel will hand the tomb of David - site of the Last Supper - over to the Vatican. At least, that's what's being leaked out.
Can you imagine if the SBC or The United Pentecostal Presbyterian Evangelical head elder asked for it? Netyenahu would have laughed in their face. Even the Jews know which group of Christians are the Church that this Jesus started.
They also know why they have 7 less Books then us and when this happened, btw.
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For Liam as he forgets only 24 hours later again following posts from
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ALL-HOLY — According to Catholic doctrine, Mary,“the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless
life.[18]
Romans 3:23 says “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Revelation
15:4 says,“Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou only art holy.”
Romans 3:10 says,“There is none righteous, no, not one.”
Jesus is the only person who is referred to in Scripture as sinless. Hebrews 4:15 says,“For
we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities; but was
in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” 2 Corinthians 5:21 says,“For he hath made
him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
1 Peter 2:22 says,“Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth.”
In contrast, Mary said that God is her Savior.(Luke 1:47) If God was her Savior, then
Mary was not sinless. Sinless people do not need a Savior.
In the Book of Revelation, when they were searching for someone who was worthy to
break the seals and open the scroll, the only person who was found to be worthy was Jesus.
Nobody else in Heaven or on earth (including Mary) was worthy to open the scroll or even look
inside it.(Revelation 5:1-5)
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PERPETUAL VIRGINITY -— According to Catholic doctrine, Mary was a virgin before,
during and after the birth of Christ.[19]
Matthew 1:24-25 says,“Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord
had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her
firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”“Till”(until) means that after that point, Joseph
did “know”(have sexual relations with) Mary.(See Genesis 4:1 where Adam “knew” Eve and
she conceived and had a son.)
Jesus had brothers and sisters. The Bible even tells us their names. Matthew 13:54-56
says,

“And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in
their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, 5
Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not
this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his
brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters,
are they not all with us?”

Other Scripture verses which specifically refer to Jesus’ brothers are: Matthew 12:46; John 2:12;
John 7:3; Acts 1:14; and Galatians 1:19.
I was always taught that “brothers” and “sisters” were general terms that really could refer
to any kind of kinsman, including cousins. This is true in the Hebrew language. However, the
New Testament is written in Greek, which is an extremely precise language. It makes a clear
distinction between the words used to describe family relationships. There is a Greek word which
refers to people who are relatives but not of the immediate family, such as aunts, uncles,
nephews, nieces and cousins. There are other Greek words which refer specifically to a person’s
brother or sister within a family.[20]

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ASSUMPTION — According to Catholic doctrine, at the end of her life, Mary was taken up
(“assumed”) body and soul into Heaven.[23]
There is no biblical reference to the assumption of Mary. The Gospel of John was written
around 90 A.D., which is more than 100 years after Mary was born.(Surely Mary was more than
ten years old when Jesus was conceived.) If Mary had been supernaturally assumed into Heaven,
wouldn’t John (the disciple that Mary lived with) have mentioned it? When Enoch and Elijah
were taken up to Heaven, the Bible recorded it. With Elijah it was recorded in some detail.(See
Genesis 6:24 and 2 Kings 2:1-18.)
The Assumption of Mary was officially declared to be a dogma of the Roman Catholic
faith in 1950. This means that every Roman Catholic is required to believe this doctrine without
questioning it. However, as we will see, the teaching of the Assumption originated with heretical
writings which were officially condemned by the early Church.
In 495 A.D., Pope Gelasius issued a decree which rejected this teaching as heresy and its
proponents as heretics. In the sixth century, Pope Hormisdas also condemned as heretics those
authors who taught the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary. The early Church clearly considered
the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary to be a heresy worthy of condemnation. Here we have
“infallible” popes declaring something to be a heresy. Then in 1950, Pope Pius XII, another
“infallible” pope, declared it to be official Roman Catholic doctrine.[24]
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CO-MEDIATOR — According to Catholic doctrine, Mary is the Co-Mediator to whom we can
entrust all our cares and petitions.[25]
There is only one mediator and that is Jesus. The Bible says,

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the
man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be
testified in due time.” 1 Timothy 2:5-6)

“Wherefore he [Jesus] is able to save them to the uttermost that
come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession
for them.”(Hebrews 7:25)

“In whom [Jesus} we have boldness and access with confidence by
the faith of him.”(Ephesians 3:12)

If Jesus is constantly interceding for us and He is able to save us “to the uttermost,”
(utterly, completely) then He doesn’t need Mary’s help. If we can approach God with “boldness”
and “confidence” because of our faith in Jesus, then we don't need Mary’s help either.

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June VanDerMark wrote:
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If you don't think that the God needs help ... why are you preaching that he does need your help???
Naughty fibber.
God doesn't require my help to do HIS WILL!........He will accomplish what HE wants ------ when and if He wants it !.........It is up to His Faithful followers to " praise- reverence--worship and serve " each and every day..
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QUEEN OF HEAVEN — According to Catholic doctrine, God has exalted Mary in heavenly
glory as Queen of Heaven and earth.[26] She is to be praised with special devotion.[27]
The Bible says,

“Let them praise the name of the Lord: for his name alone is
excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.”(Psalm 148:13,
emphasis added)

This makes it quite clear that only God’s name (not Mary’s) is to be exalted.(In Catholic Bibles
the numbering of the chapters and verses of some of the Psalms is slightly different.)
When people tried to give Mary special honor and pre-eminence because she was His
mother, Jesus corrected them.

“And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of
the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the
womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he
said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and
keep it.”(Luke 11:27-28)

In chapters four and five of the Book of Revelation, we are given a quite detailed picture
of Heaven. God is seated on the throne, surrounded by 24 elders and four living creatures. The
Lamb (Jesus) is standing in the center of the throne. Thousands upon thousands of angels circle
the throne, singing God's praises. And Mary is not in the picture at all.

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Quotes above from the following.

16. Catechism of the Catholic Church (New York: Doubleday Image, 1995), paragraphs 490-
492. The Catechism comes in numerous editions and languages. Because it has numbered
paragraphs, statements can be accurately located in spite of the variety of editions.

17. William Webster, The Church of Rome at the Bar of History, pp. 72-77, op. cit.

18. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 411, 493.

19. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 496-511.

20. William Webster, The Church of Rome at the Bar of History, pp.79-80, op. cit.

21. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 963, 971, 2677.

22. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 963, 975.

23. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 966, 974.

24. William Webster, The Church of Rome at the Bar of History, pp. 81-85, op. cit.

25. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 968-970, 2677.

26. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 966.

27. Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 971, 2675.

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May 4, 2014
 
I suggest that as more and more Protestant churches welcome homosexuals as being saved into their midst, pope Francis is going to put into the squeeze on yet another issue.

Suddenly it seems that the god that was so vicious a few centuries back when homosexuals were put to death for having consensual relationships, is now becoming a softy.

I'll give the Protestants credit. They were the first to preach that birth control made sense, in that it wasn't right for parents to bring children into the world to starve to death.

It was Protestants that first welcomed homosexuals into their churches as being loved by "god."

I have no use for religion, but I will give credit where I believe credit is due.
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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There is no need for you to shout. If you are right then you can speak in soft and mellow tones.
Within "Jewish theology" the god of the Jew had a covenant with them to always choose them as his chosen few and never bread that BOND.
Please pay attention now ... he was and is "the only god" in the Abrahamic religion.
So "within Christian theology" if the one god that at one time loved ONLY the Jews chose to love Christians RATHER than Jews, that means the god either broke his covenant WITH the Jews ... OR the Christians LIED.
You can't have it both ways.
I AM NOT SHUTTING June AS I HAVE EXPLAINED BEFORE I HAVE PROBLEM WITH MY EYES. I GOT LAZY INSTEAD OF ENLARGING MY FONTS I WROTE IN CAPS.

Jesus is God , Jesus is God, to all men. some accept him some don't, and they come from all tribes tongues and nations, just as the Christians do.
There are many who claim to be Christian only because they believe there is a God,, that doesn't make one a Christian satan believes in God.
There are Jews who rejected Jesus just as you do, but make no mistake salvation was present to the Jews first,'IS NOT JESUS CALLED KING OF THE JEWS."
BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS OF BOOKS YOU HAVE READ FROM OTHER PEOPLE
WHO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE BIBLE PLEASE READ THE BIBLE AND MAKE SURE IT IS THERE, BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OUT OF YOUR SELF.
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THE DOGMA OF THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY

Not Taught in Scripture

Catholic authors readily admit that the Assumption is not explicitly taught in Scripture.[1] In the biblical narrative, Mary is last mentioned in Acts 1 where she is found praying with the other disciples before Pentecost. After that, the Bible is silent about her life and death.

Not Taught by the Church Fathers

The Catholic Encyclopaedia admits that the first “genuine” written references to the Assumption come from authors who lived in the sixth to the eight centuries:

“If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete, St. John Damascene, St. Modestus of Jerusalem and others. In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first.”[2]

St. Gregory lived in the sixth century, while St John Damascene belongs to the eight. Thus for several centuries in the early Church, there is no mention by the church fathers of the bodily assumption of Mary. Irenaeus, Jerome, Augustine, Ambrose and the others Church Fathers said nothing about it. Writing in 377 A.D., church father Epiphanius states that no-one knows Mary’s end.[3]

First Taught by Heretics

So, how did this teaching originate, given that it is absent in the Sacred Scriptures and in the tradition of the early Church? The belief of the assumption is based on apocryphal and spurious writings.

“The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite”(Catholic Encyclopaedia).

The first church author to speak on the assumption, Gregory of Tours, based his teaching on the Transitus, perhaps because he accepted it as genuine.[4] However, in 459 A.D. Pope Gelasius issued a decree that officially condemned and rejected the Transitus along with several other heretical writings. Pope Hormisdas reaffirmed this decree in the sixth century.[5] It is ironic that this heretical teaching was later promoted within the Catholic Church, until eventually it was proclaimed a dogma in the twentieth century.

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Implications

a) The Roman Church solemnly warns anyone who “should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined (i.e. the Assumption), let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith (Munificentissimus Deus). How could this dogma be so important, seeing that it was unknown in the early Church, even condemned by some Popes, and more importantly, since it is absent from the Holy Scriptures? Some have indeed fallen from the catholic faith. The apostates are those who have invented this novel doctrine. The faithful are those who, together with the early Christians, have remained steadfast in upholding the faith of the New Testament.

b) In theory, the Roman Church teaches that:

The sacred deposit of the faith (the Word of God) is contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition.

The Magisterium gives an authentic interpretation to the Word of God but does not add to its contents.

"The apostles entrust the 'Sacred deposit' of the faith (the depositum fidei), contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition, to the whole of the Church...[the Magisterium] teaches only what has been handed on to it...All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith" (Catechism, 84-86).

In practice, Rome teaches doctrines that are not drawn from the deposit of faith. We have seen that the Assumption is neither found in Scripture nor in the early church tradition. Certainly, if this doctrine were transmitted by the apostles to the bishops of the early church, we would expect to find at least some references to it in the voluminous writings of the Fathers. But they are conspicuously silent about this subject.

If you are a Catholic, ask yourself whether your implicit trust in the Roman magisterium is warranted. The magisterium claims to explain the Word of God, but at least in this case, it has gone far beyond it's stated role. It is inventing novel doctrines beyond the Word of God. Be careful! You may feel convinced that your faith is built on a solid rock, when in fact, you are standing on sinking sand.

c) Catholic theology has exalted Mary to the heavens, and it is therefore natural for Catholics to look to her for their spiritual needs.“O most sweet Lady and our Mother, thou hast already left the earth and reached thy kingdom, where, as Queen, thou art enthroned … From the high throne, then, to which thou art exalted, turn, O Mary, thy compassionate eyes upon us, and pity us.”(Of the Assumption of Mary, St. Alphonsus de Liguori).

Despite their protestations to the contrary, the sad truth is that such Marian devotion detracts from that simple faith and devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ. The Scripture explicitly speaks of Jesus, who having lived a sinless life, died for sinners, was buried and raised from the death, and after forty days He ascended into Heaven, where He is reigning in glory, interceding for His people. Compassion and pity is found only when we have recourse to the Lord Jesus.“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens”(Hebrews 7:25,26).

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For Liam as he keeps asking for what has been given,
sorry to the rest of the thread for the long posts.
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June that was yelling
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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You are such a hypocrite hojo.
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From the book “Morgentaler … The doctor who couldn’t turn away … by Eleanor Wright Pelrine, Published 1975 … comes the following ………
The majority of Henry Morgentaler’s patients (over 80 per cent) identify themselves as Roman Catholic, weighing the burden of unplanned, unwanted pregnancy against the dictates of celibate churchmen, and coming to terms with their own consciences.
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From the book “Moments on Maple Avenue … The reality of Abortion, by Louise Kapp
Howe, published in 1984 … comes the following …………….
You know, it’s interesting who protests and who doesn’t. Over 90 percent of the women coming to one of our clinics for abortions are Catholic. They don’t necessarily have more of a problem about what they are doing than others. It seems to be more of a matter of individuals, doesn’t it?”
These books are 30 and. 40 years old and have "absolutely NO RELEVANCE" "what-so-ever" as to what is ACTUALLY going on today in 2014 in Jesus Christs One (and only one) True Apostolic a Catholic Church!!!...Keep fishing OX as you "continue" to catch NOTHING -----which is no surprise to ANYONE on this forum who reads the "distorted and perverted sources" of anti-catholic nonsense that you "dig up"!!!
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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You are such a hypocrite hojo.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>
From the book “Morgentaler … The doctor who couldn’t turn away … by Eleanor Wright Pelrine, Published 1975 … comes the following ………
The majority of Henry Morgentaler’s patients (over 80 per cent) identify themselves as Roman Catholic, weighing the burden of unplanned, unwanted pregnancy against the dictates of celibate churchmen, and coming to terms with their own consciences.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>
From the book “Moments on Maple Avenue … The reality of Abortion, by Louise Kapp
Howe, published in 1984 … comes the following …………….
You know, it’s interesting who protests and who doesn’t. Over 90 percent of the women coming to one of our clinics for abortions are Catholic. They don’t necessarily have more of a problem about what they are doing than others. It seems to be more of a matter of individuals, doesn’t it?”
Your response reminded me of an Oxbows comment June!....Guess it doesn't really matter because you both have the same anti-catholic agenda.!!!!!!!
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hojo wrote:
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Quotes from bible only Protestants who left their Churches to become Catholics:
" I didn't agree with my Protestant Pastor when he said that there was nothing wrong with abortion and gay marriage"
" The bible only Church that I belonged to built a new Church and took down the cross and put up a banner instead which said (a God loves you)". Something was definitely missing!
" My family began to diligently study the bible on our own and began to wonder why the bread and the wine written about in the Gospels were nothing but a meaningless cracker and grape juice in our Protestant a Church"
"For many years as a baptist I was told that our religious beliefs were the true bible Protestant denomination ---but then I began to wonder why and Started to study Church History prior to the reformation"
"My bible only Church seemed so irreverent compared to attending a Catholic Church with my girl friend ".. I kept going back and found that Catholic priests actually preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ at every Mass"
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Well I am glad you didn't believe that Pastor, because he isn't speaking for God or all Christians HoJo.
Homosexuality is an abomination to God, and abortion is murder.
Your priest doesn't preach anything near the Gospel of Jesus Christ if he is preaching catholic doctrine.
Your wafer isn't far from a cracker HoJo, and your wine you don't even drink the priest does.
We have communion with bread an grape juice unfermented. and we drink it.
Too bad you didn't stick with the Bible only Church you might have learned what it really said.
Your church is a false church HoJo ,
Jesus does love you don't you believe that, and Jesus isn't on the cross any more.
It is a instrument of pain and suffering do you need an icon to remind you of that.
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For Liam as he keeps asking for what has been given,
sorry to the rest of the thread for the long posts.
This d o e s not answer the question. All your copying of justforcatholics D O E S not answer it.

Where does Jesus or His apostles say that everything about Mary will be in a few of their writings?

Man, you can dodge with the best of em. I swear you think you can avoid it all by posting long crap that's irrelevant to your dilemma....

Where does Jesus or His apostles give us a list of Sola Scripture ?

can you answer that are you going to throw in some more irrelevant rants, thinking people won't see your dancing.

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Chess wrote:
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Thieves' demands are meaningless, thief.
Slither back to your favorite rock...lying snake..

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