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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 646329 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#512505 Feb 6, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course going after the Catholic hierarchy for pedophilia cover-ups is a sort of a witch hunt for the media and for some of the people on this forum ... but there IS one huge difference between the cover-ups concerning the pedophiles.
The Catholic hierarchy moved the priests from one parish to another, being fully aware that the priests WERE pedophiles.
In other religious organizations, such as the Protestants ... being that they would be caught in the church that they ran on their own, if word got out that they molested, no other church would hire them.
Because the Catholic hierarchy had such power in the world for all too long, they were a law unto their selves. What seemed to work for so long to their "benefit" is now working against them.
Not true! The SBC refused to publish a database of offendors. Many Protestant churches quietly dismissed them. Lutherans, Anglicans and others moved them. It is customary for some protestant churches as well as the Catholic church to rotate priests to give the flock varying positions. So it is disingenous to suggest that they were moved simply because they were a problem. It is however problematic that a Bishop would not inform another another of a credible accusation or even that had received treatment and were approved by a psychologist to re-enter. This would not be different than if they had been prosecuted in a secualr environent and received treatment not a 3 or 6 month sentence and returned to society and do it again. Clearly nobody knew and still doesnt how to deal with them completely. Everyone is learning from hindisight.

It clearly is an approved teaching nor was it endorsed. Unfortunately the secular community entertained the idea that it was not harmful to children. Kenzie whose research was found be disingenous and groups who lobbied hard to abolish any age of consent laws gained inways in societies not just in the US. That is a fact. The Catholic league fired off a long list of them to Shinate Oconnor when she sarcastically asked for these people. Pope Benedict brought it up and said this evil had influenced some members of the church and it must be eliminated. For this he was decried as making excuses. He was not he was reflecting and pointing out the failings of not strongly condemning or taking enough action to remove it or in some cases seeing it for it for what it is. In other words he was humbly ackowledging a failure. This was not the pervasive view, but in Europe in particular these views were more prevalent.

It is also not true that Protestants have not kept people who were found to have covered up, nor were they prosecuted when they were not themselves the abusers. This has been the Norm for both religious and secular organizations. New laws now hold adminstrators more accountable. This however to my knowledge is not the Norm in other Countries. Human traffickers have no problem selling children to the highest pedophile bidder.

The problem with the media is the lop sided coverage and some polls that have been taken that indicate that the general public perceives it as a Catholic issue where it is far worse for reasons like because priests are not married. blah blah blah. With that logic St Paul must have been pedophile.

cont.
Michael

Canada

#512506 Feb 6, 2014
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
No Michael!!!-----The fact is that you (yourself) will "dig up" any kind of exaggerated dirt or anti-catholic "garbage story" in order to feed to personal vindictive animosity, and hatred against Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church. You, Michael are as "desperate" as ever when comes to spreading your (National.Inquirer) kind of "blown out of proportional trash" statistics that are "ridiculously overstated" and are so "far fetched" that nobody---yes nobody---- believes the "worthless and meaningless stories and statistics" that you so recklessly "throw around on this forum! The fact is that "nothing that you say" will change the REAL TRUTH that, today, in 2014, as it has in the past, that the Catholic Church is the (only)Christian Church that continues to grow and grow and grow (every year) world-wide by over 1.5 percent! Get todays TRUE facts together Michael instead of relying upon your "trash infect" nonsense that has corrupted your mind, heart, and soul!!!!!
what exaggerated dirt?

Below is a story right from THE VATICAN February 3rd. 2014

The vatican has commissioned the bishops to go out and beat the bushes and find out what catholics are doing and believing about their church.

The VATICAN states the ""MAJORITY" " of roman catholics today are NOT following the doctrines of the church.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article....

Remember its not MICHAEL SAYS, ITS THE VATICAN SAYS!!

Michael

Canada

#512508 Feb 6, 2014
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, Hojo, how are you? Do you know what Schadenfreude is? It really is best if we just ignore these "people". They're not worth the energy is takes to press the keys to type a message. Can you imagine gleefully standing on the backs of the innocent to further an agenda of hatred rubbing their paws together? Contemptible!
Leave them to their own devices. They're owed nothing.
This is very rare. ReginaM posting to a fellow catholic named HOJO. Usually ReginaM mostly posts to non catholics.

She has changed her ways.

Husker

Falls City, NE

#512509 Feb 6, 2014
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I watched the lady on the Kelly file last night.
IMO ..it seemed,your Church does have,things in place to train people now..which makes,me,fell better for my boys,in CATHOLic school to be honest.
You are the biggest target and most long running....the RCC
You have an old guard ...they do not accept change...And,May or may not be afraid because,
Of helping cover up...so every story brings,out more rebukes.
Now,these,hypocrites in the,UN are involved to get a,household in the Church.
FRANCIS,has,the,ears,of the,press..IMO..he needs,to be specific about exactly what has,been done...And get these,old guys,and lawyers,to be transparent as,much as,that may hurt...
And yes,I KNOW,it's,in other CHURCHES...But you guys,are,more,visible ...that's,a fact...And the biggest target for those who hate GOD ...hate
Any organization that tells them it's,not right to kill babies...etc...
Every Church should clean itself...And these,awful molesters will bring down God's,boys,in the world view...NO ONE,SHOULD gloat on this.
Anyone who thinks,UN policing is,a,good thing about ANYTHing ..should be very careful..
As the,poem said
FIRST THEY came for others ...then others...then me...And no one was,left to defend me...
It's as,true today as it was in Germany
We are the biggest targets because we love Christ, it's Christ's church, the devil is in this , he wants to destroy what Christ loves. He won't win. We are targets because we standup for what we know is right, being against abortion, contraception, same sex marriage because these things go against what God wants us to be..

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#512510 Feb 6, 2014
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
So the question is how dark is dark?
For those such as you who are filled with self-perceived salvation and light and all things bright ... there is no darkness.

RIGHT Robert?

Only the ones you believe will spend eternity in hell will know of such foreboding evils.

Only silly people entertain such self-aggrandizing mythology.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#512511 Feb 6, 2014
Cont. June

That's it clearly is not an approved teaching.

Abusers should be weeded out and how to deal with them and clear policies of action which are enforced as standard. The. 3 to 6 month jail terms isnt much of an answer. Administrators need to have a plan. I was once asked by a person who worked in an envronnment with children not long ago that had found out in a conversation that a person who was convicted, but had the record sealed had revealed it. The question was do I keep him on? Although this employee had done nothing to the knowledge of the employer which and had already been through the court, which did not show up on a search. What do you do? You now have the knowlede. I suggest that people who still argue they should be given another chance dont get it. If that person is released and offends somewhere else. Is the adminstrator who let them go now guilty of coverup for dismissing them? I dont believe that managers that have these problems or companies that do no background checks are equipped to know the perfect answer. I suggest that many are and still quietly dismissed or kept on even in collusion with parents with no action taken

Oh, yes in religious or secular organizations sometimes the parents knew, and they either took money quietly or accepted that it would not happen again and rather than bring shame and/or open the possilbity of lawsuits or forgiveness enabled the predator to continue and sometimes with a genuine, but misguided belief that it would never happen again.

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#512512 Feb 6, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
The number of cases was never overwhelming.
You can protect your cult in your own mind ... but the people in your own church are the ones coming out to say that they were molested ... and the numbers are high.

Multiply those numbers by centuries of cover-ups and that numbers of the abused victims will be astronomical.
Husker

Falls City, NE

#512513 Feb 6, 2014
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
what exaggerated dirt?
Below is a story right from THE VATICAN February 3rd. 2014
The vatican has commissioned the bishops to go out and beat the bushes and find out what catholics are doing and believing about their church.
The VATICAN states the ""MAJORITY" " of roman catholics today are NOT following the doctrines of the church.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article....
Remember its not MICHAEL SAYS, ITS THE VATICAN SAYS!!
Don't ever believe in secular media when it comes to the church http://www.ewtnnews.com/headlines/vatican.php
Michael

Canada

#512514 Feb 6, 2014
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true! The SBC refused to publish a database of offendors. Many Protestant churches quietly dismissed them. Lutherans, Anglicans and others moved them. It is customary for some protestant churches as well as the Catholic church to rotate priests to give the flock varying positions. So it is disingenous to suggest that they were moved simply because they were a problem. It is however problematic that a Bishop would not inform another another of a credible accusation or even that had received treatment and were approved by a psychologist to re-enter. This would not be different than if they had been prosecuted in a secualr environent and received treatment not a 3 or 6 month sentence and returned to society and do it again. Clearly nobody knew and still doesnt how to deal with them completely. Everyone is learning from hindisight.
It clearly is an approved teaching nor was it endorsed. Unfortunately the secular community entertained the idea that it was not harmful to children. Kenzie whose research was found be disingenous and groups who lobbied hard to abolish any age of consent laws gained inways in societies not just in the US. That is a fact. The Catholic league fired off a long list of them to Shinate Oconnor when she sarcastically asked for these people. Pope Benedict brought it up and said this evil had influenced some members of the church and it must be eliminated. For this he was decried as making excuses. He was not he was reflecting and pointing out the failings of not strongly condemning or taking enough action to remove it or in some cases seeing it for it for what it is. In other words he was humbly ackowledging a failure. This was not the pervasive view, but in Europe in particular these views were more prevalent.
It is also not true that Protestants have not kept people who were found to have covered up, nor were they prosecuted when they were not themselves the abusers. This has been the Norm for both religious and secular organizations. New laws now hold adminstrators more accountable. This however to my knowledge is not the Norm in other Countries. Human traffickers have no problem selling children to the highest pedophile bidder.
The problem with the media is the lop sided coverage and some polls that have been taken that indicate that the general public perceives it as a Catholic issue where it is far worse for reasons like because priests are not married. blah blah blah. With that logic St Paul must have been pedophile.
cont.
Dust Storm says...

The problem with the media is the lop sided coverage.

Michael says.......Lobsided coverage!! To date Catholic church has paid over $3 BILLION in scandal costs. 11 american dioceses filed bankruptcy protection Why? Scandals Scandals that had occured in almost every diocese in america and around the world. Lobsided you say???

Vatican bank money laundering scandal, 2nd one since 1985. Nuns under investigation, Vati-leak scandal of gay bishops controlling the vatican..........and on and on and on..

I know its all my fault. Lets blame Miguel.....

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#512515 Feb 6, 2014
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets open all the COLD CASES of the church and learn from the past. What is wrong with that?
Here's a very cold-case file that needs to be opened, and it has nothing to do with sexual molestation. It has to do with a man who had a big heart put to death for being labeled as a heretic by the Catholic hierarchy.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >

How many of the readers have ever heard of a group of people that practiced “Quietism?”

Michael Milinos was born in 1628, and later became what some termed a “spiritual mystic.” He wrote a book titled “The Spiritual Guide,” and it seems that he promoted some of the same ideas as today’s Quakers,(Friends).

On the cover of the book, it states …“So powerful was its influence on Europe that within 6 years of its release this book had been translated into every language in Western Europe. In Naples, Italy it was said that 20,000 Christians gathered in small groups to practice inward prayer.”

Also on the cover of the book, it states,“There have been more copies of this book burned than perhaps any other single Christian book ever published.”

Also on the book cover, are the following words …“Michael Molinos came closer to reforming the Catholic Church than any other single man in history, yet he ended up sealed in a dungeon, his book condemned. A man so controversial that even until today the Vatican will not release the transcript of his (secret) trial. Now for the first time this book appears in modern English. The first English language release in over a hundred years.

And on the book’s cover … Anyone found in possession of this book will be excommunicated.… Papal Decree … 1687
…………………………
…………………………

The Inquisition took care to silence Michael Molinos, and the followers of “Quietism … and to put an end to yet another gentle way of believing.

…………………………

For those who wish a link to the history of this man, just Google in the words “Michael Molinos,” and then … believe whatever you will to believe.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#512516 Feb 6, 2014
Husker wrote:
Holy See's Response to UN Committee on the Rights of the Child Recommendations
VATICAN CITY, February 05, 2014 ( Zenit.org )- Here is the translation of the Holy See's response to the observations and recommendations released today by the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child.
***
The end of its 65th session, the Committee on the Rights of the Child has published its Concluding Observations on the reviewed Reports of the Holy See and five States Parties to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (Congo, Germany, Portugal, Russian Federation and Yemen).
According to the proper procedures forseen for the parties to the Convention, the Holy See takes note of the Concluding Observations on its Reports, which will be submitted to a thorough study and examination, in full respect of the Convention in the different areas presented by the Committee according to international law and practice, as well as taking into consideration the public interactive debate with the Committee, held on 16 January 2014.
The Holy See does, however, regret to see in some points of the Concluding Observations an attempt to interfere with Catholic Church teaching on the dignity of human person and in the exercise of religious freedom.
The Holy See reiterates its commitment to defending and protecting the rights of the child, in line with the principles promoted by the Convention on the Rights of the Child and according to the moral and religious values offered by Catholic doctrine.
-------WHAT-------??? WHAT IS THE QUESTION AND WHAT IS THE ANSWER,
SOMEWHERE IN THERE DEFENDING AND PROTECTING THE CHILD GOT LOST.
and --------The Holy See does, however, regret to see in some points of the Concluding Observations an attempt to interfere with Catholic Church teaching on the dignity of human person and in the exercise of religious freedom.---------
Became the issue. What happened to defending and protecting the children.
hojo

Excelsior, MN

#512517 Feb 6, 2014
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, Hojo, how are you? Do you know what Schadenfreude is? It really is best if we just ignore these "people". They're not worth the energy is takes to press the keys to type a message. Can you imagine gleefully standing on the backs of the innocent to further an agenda of hatred rubbing their paws together? Contemptible!
Leave them to their own devices. They're owed nothing.
Thanks Regina!!!-----I appreciate being reminded of something that I have known ever since I became a Catholic that it is a total waste of time to respond to anti-catholic Protestant "fundies" or even atheists and agnostics who live their lives in anti-Catholic (bondage, hostility and hate). It is clearly evident that these Catholic "bashers" are living their (personal opinionated ) contradicting hearts, minds and souls shackled in vindictiveness and animosity against all Catholics and especially against Jesus Christ Catholic Church! Only by Gods enlighten Grace
can "any" of them find the TRUTH that they "continue" to reject, just like the Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11. Good to hear from you Regina! Gods blessing to you and your family!!!

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#512518 Feb 6, 2014
Michael Molinos was silenced because his teaching went against the teachings of the Catholic church.

I suggest you keep in mind that the word heresy once meant "able to choose."

Here is the story told on CatholicCulture.Org
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>

CatholicCulture.Org

QUIETISM

General name for any view of spiritual life that minimizes human activity and moral responsibility. But more properly it refers to the theories of Miguel de Molinos (c. 1640-97) and François Fénelon (1651-1715), Archbishop of Cambrai. Its basic position is that, to become perfect, one must be totally passive, annihilate one's will and so totally abandon oneself to God that one cares for neither heaven nor hell. In prayer, the perfect soul make no acts of love or petition, nor even of adoration. Such total passivity makes mortification or the sacaraments useless. Sin becomes impossible to perfect souls. Quietism was condemned in the person of Molinos by Pope Innocent XI in 1687, and Fénelon by Innocent XII in1691.(Etym. Latin quietus, quiet, at rest, peaceful.)

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/librar ...
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#512519 Feb 6, 2014
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Exodus 39-40; Matthew 23:23-39What changes take place in a life of faith after severe testing? I thought of this as I read the tragic story of a Jamaican dad who accidentally shot and killed his 18-year-old daughter while trying to protect his family from intruders.

News reports said he went to church (as was his habit) the next day—distraught but still seeking God’s help. Faith in God guided him before, and he knew God could sustain him after.

I thought about this in regard to my own life—having also lost a teenage daughter. To review how I viewed life and faith before Melissa’s death, I dug into my computer archives to read the last article I had written before we lost her in June 2002. How would what I said then correspond to what I know now? Had severe testing changed my view of faith in God? In May of that year, I had written this:“David was not afraid to go boldly to God and tell Him what was on his heart.... We don’t have to be afraid to tell God what is on our heart.”

Before I went through tough times, I went to God and He listened to me. After, I discovered that He still listens and comforts and sustains. So I continue to pray in faith. Our faith remains intact and is strengthened because He is the God of the before and the after.

God is still on the throne,He never forsaketh His own;His promise is true, He will not forget you,God is still on the throne.—SuffieldWhat we know of God encourages us to trust Him in all we do not know.

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#512521 Feb 6, 2014
Husker wrote:
<quoted text> Don't ever believe in secular media when it comes to the church http://www.ewtnnews.com/headlines/vatican.php
You can't protect the image of your church as you were taught was all-important.

Those men were beasts ... not servants of any god in the sky.

I suggest you wake up, as your hypnotic religious-sleep has been in VAIN!
Michael

Canada

#512522 Feb 6, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Was your split from the church a gradual process, and if so, what was the last straw that set you free from religion?
Gradual process you say!!(lol)

When I started school there was no kindergarten. We started right in grade one. By the 3rd day I was already in trouble with my teacher. Sister Marceline.

Grade 4 I was sent to stand out in the hallway again during religion class, when I witnessed our young parish priest go into the principals office and scream at her for about 5 minutes. Our principal was a nun. He came out slammed the door he couldn't see me I was beside a bookshelf in the hallway. A minute later the nun came out her tears were still visible she saw me and asked why I was there. She said come with me. In a hurry we went down the hallway, down a flight of stairs out through the playground, across the street to the church. I didn't know what the hell was going on. We go to the back of the church and under a cabinet pull out a huge glass bottle full of holy water. I helped her pour water into the empty holy water containers at the front and back door entrances to the church.

Now I know why she was verbally abused by this priest. Couldn't he do this himself. Not his job? Just the week before the two nuns in our school were out in front of the church with a couple school kids shovelling the snow in front of the church. The 3 priests in the parish their cars in the driveway inside doing what?

That was the first start of my breakaway.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#512523 Feb 6, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course there are groups of Protestants that have hierarchies, but with the churches splitting more and more into splinter groups any bozo can start his or her own church without having a hierarchy.
I should have added a disclaimer, as you are right of course, the Jehovah's Witnesses and many other Protestants no doubt have protected pedophiles in their midst.
Humans are great at one thing ... and that is ... manipulation.
And that is what I value about forums. When we grind axes we learn to have new thoughts, and as we go, we broaden our own perceptions ... if we choose to broaden them.
By broadening out thoughts, we can learn to not take our theories as anything more than new opinions, which are always subject to more and more change.
I appreciate what you're saying, June, although I don't agree that it's all subjective. But these 'people' aren't interested in broadening anything, except maybe the empty space between their ears. Isn't that what it takes to make a good bigot? We all have our prejudices, but bigotry has it's own special place that I believe most people choose not to visit. Except these 'kind folks'. There isn't an ounce of sincerity to be found among them. Using the sufferings of others as a weapon is as low as one can go. Yes, even lower than the actual crime that they're joyfully bandying about like so much gossip. Even to the point of promoting self-importance by posting "guidelines". What an (unfunny) joke.

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#512524 Feb 6, 2014
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Regina!!!-----I appreciate being reminded of something that I have known ever since I became a Catholic that it is a total waste of time to respond to anti-catholic Protestant "fundies" or even atheists and agnostics who live their lives in anti-Catholic (bondage, hostility and hate). It is clearly evident that these Catholic "bashers" are living their (personal opinionated ) contradicting hearts, minds and souls shackled in vindictiveness and animosity against all Catholics and especially against Jesus Christ Catholic Church! Only by Gods enlighten Grace
can "any" of them find the TRUTH that they "continue" to reject, just like the Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11. Good to hear from you Regina! Gods blessing to you and your family!!!
Catholics used to take vows to die for the pope and the church at a moment's notice.

That is how they hypnotized their followers to kill innocent people as heretics ... as though a god ordained such activities.

Until you choose by your own will to wake up ... you will stay in your hypnotic trance.
Michael

Canada

#512525 Feb 6, 2014
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Michael!! We as Catholics "all know" that you are and anti-catholic "trash collector" of worthless and exaggerated fiction statistics that are only found to be festering among a small percentage liberal emancipated Catholics or former non-catholics like yourself who have better to do with their lives than to spread their animosity, vindictiveness, hostility and on going hatred against Jesus Christ HIMSELF and against His One True Catholic Church. If you think that any Catholic believes the "anti-catholic(trash talking) that you are so famous for, then you yourself are more "disoriented" than previously thought"!!!!!-----Yea---- Unbelievable is what you are!!!!
thank you for those lovely comments.
hojo

Excelsior, MN

#512526 Feb 6, 2014
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
what exaggerated dirt?
Below is a story right from THE VATICAN February 3rd. 2014
The vatican has commissioned the bishops to go out and beat the bushes and find out what catholics are doing and believing about their church.
The VATICAN states the ""MAJORITY" " of roman catholics today are NOT following the doctrines of the church.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article....
Remember its not MICHAEL SAYS, ITS THE VATICAN SAYS!!
I believe about 10 percent " if that much" based upon what, how, and from who writes the story regarding the "real truth" and the authenticity of the media "anti-catholic (hack) writers! You,Michael also fall into that 10 percent categories!!!

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