Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

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#504815 Jan 7, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus, as God incarnated in human form, could have spoken any language He chose. In His humanity, Jesus likely limited Himself to the languages common to His culture: Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek. Jesus likely spoke whichever of the three languages was most appropriate to the audience He was addressing.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/language-Jesus-sp...
Catholic encyclopedia: Jesus Christ - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race

Word of God: Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(KJV)

God spoke: Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Christ was not God....You cannot show the Holy Trinity that reflects that falsehood that you are perpetrating....
michael

Hamilton, Canada

#504816 Jan 7, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
All religion was based on story-telling.
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"Moses" is Egyptian for "Son (of)" Just like Ra-Moses (AKA Ramses) is Son f the Sun-God.
For example, regarding Moses and God on Mount Sinai, one author of an Old Testament survey writes that, "It would be foolish, for instance, to rationalize the burning bush, as though this vision were something that could have been seen with the objective eye of a camera."{1} Holders of this view reject the notion of supernatural revelation and regard much of the Pentateuch as folklore and Hebrew storytelling.
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.422...
Burning bushes....

.....not to forget the Hebrew talking snake witnessed by Adam and eve, and balaams talking donkey.

.....to hear of such stories today, under any other circumstances, would call for the white coats and a trip to the psyc ward, but those scripture followers move their heads up and down in agreement every time they read these stories.

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#504817 Jan 7, 2014
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's quite simple really...what were his last words on the cross? Eloi, Eloi...
That is specifically Aramaic...and very telling.
Can you find any specific Greek words Jesus spoke in the bible?
Do try not to utilize eclectic derived translations. They are fraught with omissions, additions, and mistranslations.
What you have is incurable....this is a question:Where are you getting info that Christ did not know or speak Greek!!!!!! It is not a statement!!!!!
Liam

Chicago, IL

#504818 Jan 7, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
The Standards set forth by St. Paul for Bishops
Contrast the behavior of these Popes to the standards that St. Paul set forth for bishops:
“The saying is sure: If any one aspires to the office of bishop, he desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, no drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way; for if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil; moreover he must be well thought of by outsiders, or he may fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.”(1 Tim. 3:1-7)
Some Popes have been evil, indeed. Their good works notwithstanding (John XII, for example, supported the monastic reform that began at Cluny, and the Renaissance popes commissioned great works of religious art), these Popes demonstrate that no earthly religious leader “personifies Catholicism.” The deeds of these Popes show that Gregory VII (1073-1085) was in error when he asserted, in the Dictatus Papae, that “the Roman pontiff, if he have been canonically ordained, is undoubtedly made a saint by the merits of St. Peter.”
When Saint Paul wrote that, he was addressing men who were already married. Celibacy came at a later date by the Church. Again, you seem to think they rolled out 40 feet of Pauls scroll and said "hey look here in verse 1Tim 3:5, Paul says we have to be married to be Bishops!"

More than anything, the Apostles were establishing a Church with successors. Not a Bible.

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#504819 Jan 7, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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My. You're still angry.
Is that because you're a thief:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TV910R5...
Or because you misappropriated someone's moniker:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TV910R5...
Or simply because you were caught?
You evidently don't understand what you read...as I said, show me where I stated in any of my posts where I copied and pasted, "These are my words" or signed my log-on name to the said article, which would say those words, and I will respond....until then....stuff it...

If you want to see the source of these articles...do as any idiot does...use your search engine...

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#504820 Jan 7, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what it means to you in English. You don't know what it means to others in English.
No matter which words in which book, we take our own meanings to words and infect the words with our own imaginations. And that is what has made and what makes the so-called holy books so dangerous.
Preachers might come up with the idea ... "GOD is offended, and those dirty evil sinners won't get away with offending MY GOD!"
edited for space
I don't believe what it means in English...I know what it means in English..there are some that will deny what it means because it will reveal them as liars....but they know exactly what it means.....a word cannot mean anything else but what it is defined as...
Example: idiot
1. A foolish or stupid person.
2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
[Middle English, ignorant person, from Old French idiote, from Latin idita, from Greek idits, private person, layman, from idios, own, private; see s(w)e- in Indo-European roots.]
1.(Psychiatry) a person with severe mental retardation
2. a foolish or senseless person
[C13: from Latin idi&#333;ta ignorant person, from Greek idi&#333;t&#275;s private person, one who lacks professional knowledge, ignoramus; see idio-]
1. an utterly stupid or foolish person.
2. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years and an intelligence quotient under 25.
[1250–1300; Middle English < Latin idi&#333;ta < Greek idi&#7763;t&#275;s private person, layman, person lacking skill =idi&#333;-(variant of idio- idio-)+-t&#275;s agent n. suffix]
a person of subnormal intelligenceidiot - a person of subnormal intelligence
changeling, cretin, half-wit, imbecile, moron, retard
mongoloid - a person suffering from Down syndrome (no longer used technically in this sense)
simpleton, simple - a person lacking intelligence or common sense
1. fool, jerk (slang, chiefly U.S. & Canad.), ass, plank (Brit. slang), charlie (Brit. informal), berk (Brit. slang), prick (derogatory slang), wally (slang), prat (slang), plonker (slang), moron, geek (slang), twit (informal, chiefly Brit.), chump, imbecile, cretin, oaf, simpleton, airhead (slang), dimwit (informal), dipstick (Brit. slang), dickhead (slang), gonzo (slang), schmuck (U.S. slang), dork (slang), nitwit (informal), blockhead, divvy (Brit. slang), pillock (Brit. slang), halfwit, nincompoop, dweeb (U.S. slang), putz (U.S. slang), eejit (Scot. & Irish), thicko (Brit. slang), dumb-ass (slang), gobshite (Irish taboo slang), dunderhead, numpty (Scot. informal), doofus (slang, chiefly U.S.), lamebrain (informal), fuckwit (taboo slang), mooncalf, nerd or nurd (slang), numbskull or numskull, galah (Austral. & N.Z. informal) I knew I'd been an idiot to stay there.
2. simpleton, cretin, halfwit the village idiot
stupid, simple, slow, thick, dull, naive, dim, dense, dumb (informal), deficient, crass, gullible, simple-minded, dozy (Brit. informal), witless, stolid, dopey (informal), moronic, obtuse, brainless, cretinous, unintelligent, half-witted, slow on the uptake (informal), braindead (informal), dumb-ass (slang), doltish, slow-witted, woodenheaded (informal) a bunch of idiot journalists
1. a foolish person. She was an idiot to give up such a good job.
2. a person with very low intelligence.
Gods R Delusions but Mine

Orlando, FL

#504821 Jan 7, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a complete deceiver or a complete idiot.
Born in Regina raised in Alberta I am tri-lingual and now you miss represent Canadian history you can't get one think right.
It was a historical step of making the great nation Canada is today it is what is called compromise.
From your link
English-speaking immigrants from Britain and the southern colonies objected to a variety of its provisions, which they saw as a removal of certain political freedoms. Canadiens varied in their reaction; the land-owning seigneurs and clergy were generally happy with its provisions although the populace resented their loss of liberties.
English speaking immigrants object of which many were English speaking Catholics.
Just another miss representation of the facts by you.
YOU can not be taken seriously you blatantly distort the truth in all your posts.
Christians like yourself are the best name-callers here.

You are also delusional to believe that the Indians are happy to have traded their culture for yours.

Lucky for you, the one true God is a moral, loving God and doesn't torture its creation for all eternity, unlike your angry, immoral, vengeful god.

How do you live with yourself worshipping such a tyrant?
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504822 Jan 7, 2014
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
When Saint Paul wrote that, he was addressing men who were already married. Celibacy came at a later date by the Church. Again, you seem to think they rolled out 40 feet of Pauls scroll and said "hey look here in verse 1Tim 3:5, Paul says we have to be married to be Bishops!"
More than anything, the Apostles were establishing a Church with successors. Not a Bible.
42 Popes endorse torture and murder of non-Catholics via Papal bull, create a special branch of Priests call Jesuits to implement it, and even make an official manual on how to torture them, Rob millions of Billions and kill millions over 400+ years, and when Paul calls Bishops which in the Greek is the same as pope to be above reproach and you focus on one wife.

Who cares if they were married or not they were genocidal murders. And that alone debunks Romes claim to Apostolic succession and being the one true yadda yadda

Holy cow batman you stuck your head deeper in the sand than anyone in recorded history with that post.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#504823 Jan 7, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Well once again you know nothing about nothing and continue to verify it.
The subject on which I was posting was that Christians perceived the Native-Indian beliefs as superstition, and their own beliefs as being based on truth.
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From the book … The Invasion Within … The Contest of Cultures in Colonial North America by James Axtell.

From Canada to the Carolinas, the anti-Christian “evil one” held the benighted natives in thralldom, especially their shamans and conjurers, who were thought to be on speaking terms with him. By this token, of course, native religious customs could be seen by the Christian strangers as “only superstitions, which we hope by the grace of God to change into true Religion.”
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#504824 Jan 7, 2014
What would Fred Flintstone say about religion if he were alive today?

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#504825 Jan 7, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a complete deceiver or a complete idiot.
Born in Regina raised in Alberta I am tri-lingual and now you miss represent Canadian history you can't get one think right.
It was a historical step of making the great nation Canada is today it is what is called compromise.
From your link
English-speaking immigrants from Britain and the southern colonies objected to a variety of its provisions, which they saw as a removal of certain political freedoms. Canadiens varied in their reaction; the land-owning seigneurs and clergy were generally happy with its provisions although the populace resented their loss of liberties.
English speaking immigrants object of which many were English speaking Catholics.
Just another miss representation of the facts by you.
YOU can not be taken seriously you blatantly distort the truth in all your posts.
History of the United States … by Charles A. Beard and Mary R. Beard. The Macmillan Company 1923.

To the American Protestants, the Quebec Act was the most offensive. The project they viewed not as an act of grace or of mercy but as a direct attempt to enlist French Canadians on the side of Great Britain. The British government did not grant religious toleration to Catholics either at home or in Ireland and the Americans could see no good motive in granting it in North America. The Act was also offensive because Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Virginia had, under their charters, large claims in the territory thus annexed to Quebec.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#504826 Jan 7, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
42 Popes endorse torture and murder of non-Catholics via Papal bull, create a special branch of Priests call Jesuits to implement it, and even make an official manual on how to torture them, Rob millions of Billions and kill millions over 400+ years, and when Paul calls Bishops which in the Greek is the same as pope to be above reproach and you focus on one wife.
Who cares if they were married or not they were genocidal murders. And that alone debunks Romes claim to Apostolic succession and being the one true yadda yadda
Holy cow batman you stuck your head deeper in the sand than anyone in recorded history with that post.
Your Protestantism is showing.

Martin Luther and followers, such as John Calvin were every bit as brutal as were the popes.

They ordained the death penalty for adultery (for instance) and for Homosexuality.

I suggest you learn to be fair when you point fingers at religious injustice.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#504827 Jan 7, 2014
Jumper The Wise wrote:
What would Fred Flintstone say about religion if he were alive today?
He would keep on hiding in his cave!!!

At least if he wanted to carry on living a decent life.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504828 Jan 7, 2014
Gods R Delusions but Mine wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians like yourself are the best name-callers here.
You are also delusional to believe that the Indians are happy to have traded their culture for yours.
Lucky for you, the one true God is a moral, loving God and doesn't torture its creation for all eternity, unlike your angry, immoral, vengeful god.
How do you live with yourself worshipping such a tyrant?
Well another not so bright one.

First I have never posted my view on hell in this thread and my view on hell IMO is biblical unlike the RCC's and they are not the same.

So you might want to ask the question before you stick your foot in your mouth by assuming you think you know something.

I never said nor do I believe they were happy to exchange their culture for any other nor have many Indian Groups in Canada given up their cultures as they still practice their cultural traditions today.

You BTW have no idea what my cultural background is nor what cultural traditions I practice now.

So in short you are the ignorant one as you have no clue what I believe.

Nor do I worship a tyrant as you put it, But the One true God however if rejected by you, in kind will reject you.

If you want to find out the views the vast majority of Christians have held concerning hell I suggest you go to www.thenarrowpath.com topical lectures, and download the MP3 teachings called three views of hell.

I let you guess which one I strongly lean towards.

Try being informed before you post then you won't look so foolish to those you post to.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#504829 Jan 7, 2014
Gods R Delusions but Mine wrote:
<quoted text>
You are also delusional to believe that the Indians are happy to have traded their culture for yours.
A retired Protestant minister that had been a missionary to the Native Indians admitted to me that the Indians were "better off" before the invasion of the white men.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#504830 Jan 7, 2014
One of my friends who is now diseased tried to convince me that the slaves had better lives in slavery in America that they had in their home-country of Africa.

Her family had owned slaves.

Justification is not uncommon among humans. I ought to know, as I also did some justifying in my life back in the day.

I try to be more honest with my self now, but it's not easy, as the self likes to fool the image in the mirror.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504831 Jan 7, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Protestantism is showing.
Martin Luther and followers, such as John Calvin were every bit as brutal as were the popes.
They ordained the death penalty for adultery (for instance) and for Homosexuality.
I suggest you learn to be fair when you point fingers at religious injustice.
Your Arrogance once again is showing June.

I never said they were prefect or did not commit atrocities. I am Student of Luther and know all about his executions of Anti-Baptists etc.

But the distinction here is this, RC Sect claims they are in of themselves the one True Church Lutherans do not, nor do most Evangelical Christian Sects.

Their brutality as you put it however comes no where close to the atrocities Rome has committed but that in no way justifies the atrocities they committed and they will all stand before God and give an account. Unlike you I don't throw the Baby out with the Bath water.
The reforms that Luther and Calvin did bring were wonderful early steps to return to the 1st century church and I choose to continue to make my life as close as possible to the early church as God reveals his truth through his word, I want my life lived out like a true disciple of Christ as revealed in the Scriptures.

Do not make the mistake with me that I am a follower of any Man that would be a grave mistake on your part. I have no allegiance to any Christian Sect only King Jesus

You like putting people in containers June, you like to Judge on little or no information.
You would do well to get rid of this bad habit.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#504832 Jan 7, 2014
The Protestants were the first religious Christians to come to America, and they were intent on keeping the Catholics out of the country as long as possible.

The Protestants had their own agenda, which was the same as the Catholic agenda.
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From the book,“The Papal Conspiracy Exposed, and Protestantism Defended,” by Rev. Edward Beecher, published in 1855, comes the following.

At this time we aim; because it is our firm conviction that we, as a Protestant nation, have received our principles from God, and that he has assigned to us the sublime mission and the glorious destiny of making them universal.
Liam

Chicago, IL

#504833 Jan 7, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
42 Popes endorse torture and murder of non-Catholics via Papal bull, create a special branch of Priests call Jesuits to implement it, and even make an official manual on how to torture them, Rob millions of Billions and kill millions over 400+ years, and when Paul calls Bishops which in the Greek is the same as pope to be above reproach and you focus on one wife.
Who cares if they were married or not they were genocidal murders. And that alone debunks Romes claim to Apostolic succession and being the one true yadda yadda
Holy cow batman you stuck your head deeper in the sand than anyone in recorded history with that post.
I'm not sure why you have to lie. Actually, I know why you have to lie. You don't have a case if you don't.
Provide a verifiable link where a 'normal person' says 42 Popes endorsed murder and torture.

Church murdered millions?? Come on prophet.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#504834 Jan 7, 2014
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
The subject on which I was posting was that Christians perceived the Native-Indian beliefs as superstition, and their own beliefs as being based on truth.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>
From the book … The Invasion Within … The Contest of Cultures in Colonial North America by James Axtell.
From Canada to the Carolinas, the anti-Christian “evil one” held the benighted natives in thralldom, especially their shamans and conjurers, who were thought to be on speaking terms with him. By this token, of course, native religious customs could be seen by the Christian strangers as “only superstitions, which we hope by the grace of God to change into true Religion.”
Their Beliefs were and are superstition that is fact and verifiable.

You were posting to a link from wiki and made false comments about it.

If you want a do over fine but you don't fool me with this end around back track post.

When you are wrong best just to admit it instead of digging the hole deeper.

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