Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

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#501482 Dec 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Is it God making sure you post lies about what the Catholic Church teaches?
Well let's see if I'm lying, Does the Catholic church baptize infants for any reasons? Does purgatory exists in the Catholic church? Does the Catholic church use the name " Father " to describe a certain person in the Catholic church.. Do Catholics pray to dead saints. Are these that the Catholic church approves of?

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Vanderhoof, Canada

#501483 Dec 20, 2013
Murder is supposedly a mortal sin, so it seems that all those people in religion that murdered others caused their own spiritual deaths.
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A serious, grave or mortal sin is the knowing and willful violation of God's law in a serious matter, for example, idolatry, adultery, murder, slander.

Mortal sin is called mortal because it is the "spiritual" death of the soul (separation from God).

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/mortal_ver ...

“let's do this thang!”

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#501484 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You are anti-all other religion than your own. I am anti-all religion, including yours.
oh June June June....since you're comprised of a spirit as well as a soul and body, you can't get away from being religious/superstitious no matter how hard you try!

most people who like to think that they're atheist usually fall into the babylonian/humanist/socialist religion by default. it was probably the first and largest organized religion ever and it began with the great temple/tower of babel; kinda like our twin world trade towers and it got smashed in similar fashion.....

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#501485 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You idiot. The Catholics made up the myth of Jesus' existence, to in turn claim that he was the only Jew to turn away from Judaism as being vile and turning TO Catholicism.
You don't pay any attention to the words of John Chrysostom, who insisted that the Jews had not only offended Jesus, but had crucified him, and that is why Jesus (in spirit form) was the enemy OF the Jews.
Then those Catholic theologians took the image of Jesus and spread it into every Catholic confessional on earth ... with their ridiculous lies that YOU support.
READ for a change and get something new into that dense fog of yours.
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Words of John Chrysostom ... Catholic anti-Semite.
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This is why Christ said: "But as for these my enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them".
June

That's a lot of nonsense. To much for me. It makes me wonder if you have a handle on reality, or just make this stuff up and see if anyone takes a bite....

Your attempt at making Jesus into a myth, is not born out of history, rather some desperate resignation....

And you really have it in for digging up and crucifying John Chrysostom. Man o man do you hold a grudge!

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#501486 Dec 20, 2013
Monkeys are not ashamed of sex, so they masturbate in the open with no shame.

Humans were taught that masturbation is sinful, so they masturbate in private ... pretend they don't masturbate ... and then beg the supposed god for forgiveness.

And they call that idiocy religion!

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#501487 Dec 20, 2013
A minister told the following story…..

A friend, a senior citizen, stopped me after church one Sunday and said, "Please tell the children that masturbation won't hurt them. I spent my entire youth in agony waiting to go blind, because my parents told me that's what would happen if I masturbated. I guess I could have stopped, but going blind seemed the better option."

“let's do this thang!”

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#501488 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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"Say" whatever pleases your emotions. But don't expect that on a forum you will have agreement with what you "say."
oh dear Junebug (mind if i call you?:), your agreement or not doesn't mean that i'm less right:-)
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#501489 Dec 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
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Mortal sin? No partner, there is no mortal sin! SIN IS SIN. Mortal sin is a figment of your imagination.
Sadly you believe your salvation is based on what you do and is not based on the finished work of Jesus on the cross and your belief in that finished work. Therein lies the difference between the assurance of salvation and the loss of salvation. You seem to think if you do enough wonderful things your salvation is secured and if you sin your salvation is lost. Jesus died to GIVE salvation as a gift to all who do what? Believe on Him. Not belief from the head because we all know even satan believes. No, it is belief from the heart.
Remember this.......You cannot do enough good things so Jesus will love you more. You cannot do enough bad things so Jesus will love you less. Jesus loves you regardless. Your response to His love determines your eternal home.
Ever read this verse.....John 3:16, "For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES in him should not perish but have eternal life."
For God so loved what?.........THE WORLD....so God loves all of us
And He did what? He gave His only Son..........Why? That whoever BELIEVES in Him should not perish but will have what? ETERNAL LIFE. What happens to those who do not believe? The verse tells us they perish.
When we believe we receive what?....ETERNAL LIFE. Not the words of OldJG but the words of Jesus Christ Himself. How long is eternal life? Is the time frame of eternal life based on how good or how bad we have been after we came to believe? Does His promise of eternal life end when we sin? Eternal life is ....... ETERNAL. No strings or expiration date.
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Does stealing a nickel's worth of ketchup make you or me a thief? Yes. Apparently you believe stealing a nickel's worth of ketchup is different than stealing a million dollars. But what does the Bible tell us. A thief is a thief if they take what does not belong to them.
Does an adulterous affair make the person an adulterer? Yes. Is this sin different than stealing a nickel's worth or ketchup or a million dollars? No. Sin is sin. There are no degrees of sin! Sin is..........SIN!
So of course then you believe the popes that you think committed fornication and murdered millions are didn't sin any greater than when you grabbed an extra handful of ketchup packets at McDonalds last night.

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#501490 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
No Jewish Rabbi by the lofty title of Rabboni would preach to Jews that they had to become Christians in order to be saved.
That is beyond ridiculous!
He would preach that Jews had to become BETTER Jews, follow Jewish rituals and beliefs, and live a moral life within the religion of Judaism ... PERIOD!
June

For your information, the Temple system Judaism ended around 70 AD. Before and during and after that time Judaism became fragmented, and the Law was and is no longer favored as a way to heaven, even by Jews. Its merely a system of works, which can promote righteousness.

Jesus came along and said I have something better than works, and it will get you to heaven, but it will be much more difficult. And for that the religious and political leaders who wanted status quo, wanted him done away with, as other Jews were interested, which undermined their status....

Simple story. I wonder why you can't catch on?
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#501491 Dec 20, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Well let's see if I'm lying, Does the Catholic church baptize infants for any reasons? Does purgatory exists in the Catholic church? Does the Catholic church use the name " Father " to describe a certain person in the Catholic church.. Do Catholics pray to dead saints. Are these that the Catholic church approves of?
Don't change the subject. I'm asking you to provide evidence of your statement;

"For instance, the Catholic church tells it's members not to worry what the bible says as it's to hard for the average person to comprehend it ,so they tell them that's what the priests are for, to read it to you so you wont be bothered by trying to figure out what it says, which is an out right lie."

Now either you have the proof for such an accusation or you're a bald faced liar.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#501492 Dec 20, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
Salvation: Is Obedience to God Necessary?
So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead....You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:17,24
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Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Whoever BELIEVES and is baptized will be saved, but whoever DOES NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.(Capitalized by me)
Notice what the verse DOES NOT say.........NOT SAY
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever DOES NOT BELIEVE and is NOT BAPTIZED is condemned.
Condemnation is not for lack of getting wet via water baptism. The condemnation is for LACK OF BELIEF!
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Salvation is both? Really? I don't think so. Let's see......
Is there Biblical proof the apostles were baptized? When I searched the Bible I could not find evidence of the original 12 being baptized. Paul was baptized but not the others. If we know they were never baptized are they in hell? Is your first pope in hell because someone did not throw some water in his face? How about John? Is he in hell. No, your theology is skewed by ignorance and lack of Biblical knowledge.
Yawn...After these things, Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea; there He remained with them, and He baptized."(John 3:22)

Clement of Alexandria AD 190
Christ is said to have baptised Peter alone, and Peter Andrew, and Andrew John, and they James and the rest.

The bible doesn't say lots of things. It doesnt say these are the books specificially. It doesnt say alot about the other disciples or what they said. It doesnt say a specific age of baptism. It doesnt say 40,0000 plus denominations and the individuals within them have the real deal on every issue of the day.

Its better to give than to receive right? What does Luke know? From whom and how did he learn what to write? Did the deposit of faith end with the Apostles? Where does the bible say that?

Jesus breathed upon the Apostles 39 days before pentecost. What did he tell them? So since they had already received the Holy Spirit what was going on at Pentecost? You get a different answer depending on the Protestant you ask, but I will go with Protestant James White who said most Protestants are clueless what the bible really says.

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#501493 Dec 20, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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Anthony .I disagree with assessment ...AND PLEASE READ..it's,not that different from what we both learned as,kids ...But perspective is another look.at things
First of all...I've never ever heard Any Christian deny an inner transformation in being born again.. Jesus,DID pay the price ..NOTHING WE DO is. Good nough ..even Mother Theresa or Abraham with His,sacrifices could NOT PAY..
He did it..we accept the,gift of grace ...free ...by which we have FAITH in Him as,Saviour .. We repent TO HIM..we do good works,FOR HIM ..because,He wants,us to and,We love Him
We obey by bring baptized ..
It's,like ...what do you do to KEEP FROM.HURTING THE ONE YOU LOVE MOST...OR TO PLEASE THEM......a living relationship...
We don't say ok I'm.saved ....I can live as I please,..not talk to God ...nor do anything charitable ..boy that was easy . We have the SPIRIT which most certainly pricks,our conscience or worse when we sin....trying to get us back into relationship with the one we love .
I said this last night ..it's,a hard,concept ...and we live in TIme.
That CUP in the garden was,every sin ever committed ..Jesus,felt every lie ..every CHEAT ...ALL ANGER .every bad thing as,He hung on the Cross....so WHAT we do today..makes,HIS,CUP...HIS,SUF FERING more cruel .....
The nuns told us as kids,when we sin we add another NAIL TO HIS CROSS ....in a way that is,true ...so if I call You a,name ...lie about you ..I am.hurting HIM....as He hung there ....
So if we are saved .born again...in a relationship ......why would we ever WANT to.hurt Him...why would we NOT want to please,Him..
I hate that my Sins,heap.more punishment on the Cross...And yet we still commit them. We serve a God of mercy ...HE WANTS,OUR REPENTANCE ..HE WANTS OUR GOOD WORKS,..IF WE LOVE HIM...WE,do both ...
But salvation itself comes,BY HIS,ACT ..And OUR FAITH ..we ate called,by the,FATHER ..through the SPIRIT to BELONG TO THE SON ..Scripture says,WE ARE GIVEN TO HIM....it's,all God .
The,Spirit LEADS we must follow,or perish .
RoSesz

The question then is God's Grace infused or imputed, or both?

If one is transformed by the born-again event. What do you mean "transformed"?

Most of the Protestants agree that God's Grace is imputed, that our sins are covered. But they differ on the transformation. Catholics of course are heavy into transformation, which means they believe God's Grace is infused( think of transubstantiation, changing water/wine into the blood of Christ).

So do you believe that God's spiritual gifts of faith, hope, and love are working only from the outside, by God, or within? Or perhaps both?

You don't have to answer. And maybe its a good idea if you don't. But just think about it for yourself. Many on here may demand you believe one way or the other....

Peace
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#501494 Dec 20, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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June
For your information, the Temple system Judaism ended around 70 AD. Before and during and after that time Judaism became fragmented, and the Law was and is no longer favored as a way to heaven, even by Jews. Its merely a system of works, which can promote righteousness.
Jesus came along and said I have something better than works, and it will get you to heaven, but it will be much more difficult. And for that the religious and political leaders who wanted status quo, wanted him done away with, as other Jews were interested, which undermined their status....
Simple story. I wonder why you can't catch on?
Yeah, He did. In the time of Jesus the Rabbis always preached as a student of and referred to their teacher. Rabbi June for ex. lol Note how Jesus never did this. He says, "You have heard it said, and eye for an eye. But I tell You. What!? You tell? Who are you? They were astonished at his wisdom and teachings and that he taught with such authority. Whenever they tried to trip him up (And they did try) they were silenced by the answer. BTW they did call him Rabboni the highest recognized authority yet he didnt present credentials.

So here is this supposed nobody. So why does anyone care? Hey there were all kinds of people walking around claiming to be Messiahs. They faded to obscurity. Yet in 50ad Josephus the Jewish Historian is writing about a significant sect of influence in the Jewish faith called Christians.

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#501495 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Murder is supposedly a mortal sin, so it seems that all those people in religion that murdered others caused their own spiritual deaths.
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A serious, grave or mortal sin is the knowing and willful violation of God's law in a serious matter, for example, idolatry, adultery, murder, slander.
Mortal sin is called mortal because it is the "spiritual" death of the soul (separation from God).
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/mortal_ver ...
June

Almost right....Murder is a mortal sin, except when necessitated by self-defense, or defense of others....

I think instigating others to commit murder can be put in this category as well. So those who preach hatred are in a grievous state of sin....So be careful not to preach hatred of religion!

Some of the most malicious people are part of religion, or use it as a front, to justify their hatred....

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#501496 Dec 20, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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Yeah, He did. In the time of Jesus the Rabbis always preached as a student of and referred to their teacher. Rabbi June for ex. lol Note how Jesus never did this. He says, "You have heard it said, and eye for an eye. But I tell You. What!? You tell? Who are you? They were astonished at his wisdom and teachings and that he taught with such authority. Whenever they tried to trip him up (And they did try) they were silenced by the answer. BTW they did call him Rabboni the highest recognized authority yet he didnt present credentials.
So here is this supposed nobody. So why does anyone care? Hey there were all kinds of people walking around claiming to be Messiahs. They faded to obscurity. Yet in 50ad Josephus the Jewish Historian is writing about a significant sect of influence in the Jewish faith called Christians.
Dust Storm

I am beginning the study of Matthew again.( I intend to go through the whole N.T. this year.) But one of the interesting things that I have found is that from the beginning of his ministry, Jesus was replacing the kings, and priestly system of this earth, with His being King of the Kingdom not of this world. And this is what provoked the authorities....He taught with the authority of a King, as to how things worked in heaven and for those who sought heaven. The only thing offered by others were works, instead of grace.

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#501497 Dec 20, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Monkeys are not ashamed of sex, so they masturbate in the open with no shame.
Humans were taught that masturbation is sinful, so they masturbate in private ... pretend they don't masturbate ... and then beg the supposed god for forgiveness.
And they call that idiocy religion!
For monkeys that kind of behavior is normal ,for humans we are not to masturbate by bringing up an image of someone that makes us feel erotic other than our spouse. Not Helpful

Matthew 5:28 ESV / 908 helpful votes

But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#501498 Dec 20, 2013
Robert F wrote:
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Dust Storm
I am beginning the study of Matthew again.( I intend to go through the whole N.T. this year.) But one of the interesting things that I have found is that from the beginning of his ministry, Jesus was replacing the kings, and priestly system of this earth, with His being King of the Kingdom not of this world. And this is what provoked the authorities....He taught with the authority of a King, as to how things worked in heaven and for those who sought heaven. The only thing offered by others were works, instead of grace.
The Romans at first didnt care about disputes amongst the Jews, however as Christianity began to spread. The Romans recognized what you are saying as well. They saw an authority that was replacing theirs and that would only follow this Jesus and the teachings of his Apostles.

In Acts Peter is dragged before primarily the Sadduccees who did not believe in the resurrection. It was a serious challenge to their teaching. Yet they were afraid of the people, and forbade them to speak of this Jesus any further. We all know how that went. He still has a ministerial priesthood.

The Roman govt. wanted to know more about this Jesus who claimed be not just another god or half man half god, but God in the flesh and whom was crucified and rose himself from the tdead. These people who were willing to die for this strange sect now spreading to the massess not just the Jews must be stopped. It challenged their authority as well. The Romans put in spies and the reports can be found today. The Christians secretly met on Sunday the day they claim this Jesus rose from the dead. The mass is described in detail and he writes that partake in cannibalism eating flesh. lol His misunderstanding of the Eucharist is much like many Protestants today, but does in fact validate that early Christians believed in the real presence.

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#501499 Dec 20, 2013
Liam wrote:
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Its very difficult to ask born again fundies to apply common sense and logic to their theology..
Lets pretend someone stole your can of pop out of the break room fridge. Yes that's a sin on their part and they shouldn't have done it. Lets say that same person steals your life savings out of your bank account after taking your wallet.
Is not one scenario greater than the other? We are made in the likeness of God. Pretend your God, which sin are you more hurt by: the can of pop or your life savings?
There are no degrees of sin.

SIN: Any thought, word, desire, action, or omission of action, contrary to the law of God, or defective when compared with it.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And: Thou shalt not steal.

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#501500 Dec 20, 2013
Chess wrote:
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I didn't say you did, fool.
Oxbow wrote:
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I have not the power to heal her....do you?????

Chess said: No you don't, fool.
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Don't play with matches or sharp objects....help is on he way
Chess

Columbus, OH

#501501 Dec 20, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Oxbow wrote:
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I have not the power to heal her....do you?????
Chess said: No you don't, fool.
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Don't play with matches or sharp objects....help is on he way
You are confusing agreement with you with a claim you said something.

Fool.

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