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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#494983 Nov 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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What do you consider "changes"? How long have you been Orthodox?
Anthony, being under the ope would change 2000 years of Ortho philosophy re what is a church and how it is managed. I dont want to do pages on this. Also look at the Eastern Cath Churches.I dont want to be placed in a "grey area". Salvation is not about "grey area".How long she has been Ortho is not relevant to the passion of one's beliefs. believe Christ said something about people coming to Him in the beginning v last.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#494984 Nov 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I copied nothing.. this comes from my friends who are old calendarist...you think you know everything don't you...
No, not at all. But it seems I was right about this...it didn't come from you, you repeated what your friends said. There's nothing wrong with being an Old Calendarist if that's what you really believe. I think there are even Old Calendarist Catholics. I also think you're trying too hard, Sera.
Husker Du

Falls City, NE

#494985 Nov 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I have a right to be here and a right to post my opinions lol
So do I and so do others, so don't go into a hissy fit next time someone makes a remark you don't like.

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#494986 Nov 26, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
I don't understand why reunion with Orth is so important to some Catholics here.First, they know very little re Orthodoxy besides superficial similarities.Secondly they know very little re whether the Ortho Church wants it. Basic knowledge of the Ortho Church and its history tells us the Church is not just the Patriarchs or the Bishops but the Priests and the People.Noone knows what will or will not occur.
It seems that the Caths that bring up the reunion issue here do so not our of "Christian Unity" but wanting to win some kind of competition and to stir up a nest here.
Would they be such a cheering section if the Cath Church was going to join the Ortho Church under a Patriarch? hat would be Christian Unity as well
The answer is no. Because its not about Christian Unity. ts about winning.
Lets try to grow up a little. Its not about winning. Its about salvation.I care about my salvation. If I wanted to be with the Cath Church and the Pope I would have joined that church.Salvation is not a half and half drink.
If some Orthos want to go to the Cath reunion, let them go.No hard feelings.I didnt join the Ortho Church on a whim.
Now that makes sense doesn't it...But for some reason the Catholics here can not stand that....my opinion is my opinion
Husker Du

Falls City, NE

#494987 Nov 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>what? Do you think I have to be 2,000 years old to figure out truth from lies?
You don't act like your even ten, Miss pinhead.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#494989 Nov 26, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
Whats with all the Jehovah stuff? Is it true this name in in bible more times than Jesus name? Are you a witness June? What about JW prediction, 1976 the world will come to an end, yr. 2000 the world will come to an end. It did come to an end for some, those that passe away. But I don't think this is what was meant. do you know? knower of all.:)
Any one with any Christian belief in the word of God is,not going to predict the end if the world by a,date ...we are to be ready ..at any time for His,Return ..

The prophecies,will be fulfilled by God alone ..
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#494990 Nov 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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There,you go assuming again . It was not a trick question ..
Ok say a,priest or a minister is,committing CONTINUING SIN ..can we,assume,neither is,repentant,.And,for the,record each is,equally guilty as,far as I'm.concerned,...
We,are,ALL GUILTY or else we did not nerd Jesus to die,....But again talking about clergy ..
However the,minister is,not claiming a Change in bread and,wine,..
What you are,saying is,the change,takes,place regardless,of the,priest and His,condition....
That was,the answer to the,question..thanks,
So the priest is,blessed by performing mass,and communion ..But the,recipient isn't having the,same blessing in he,same,state,.
And yes,I KNOW,we,are,to repent sin .......before communion .
Ok thanks. I was REALLY CURIOUS,.
Now,supposedly the,Pope is,picked ny the leading of the HOLY Spirit .. by we know not ALL POPES,are not picked by politics .
For the,longest TIme the Italian s,had it sewn up..
Some,worthy ..some not ...would those,POPES,be valid giving dogma.
Someone said today we don't ask
Then if I ask ..You think I shouldn't ...
Anyway peace ...have a,most joyous,holidays
Trying to wade through your convoluted post.

"What you are,saying is,the change,takes,place regardless,of the,priest and His,condition....
That was,the answer to the,question..thanks,"

Yes, the spiritual condition of the priest doesn't matter , it's by the power of the Holy Spirit the bread and wine is transformed. Just like the adulterous minister, he can preach the word and an unbeliever can come to Christ through the preaching and the Holy Spirit.

"Some,worthy ..some not ...would those,POPES,be valid giving dogma."

Again, can an adulterous minister preach the truth from the pulpit?

Have a nice Thanksgiving.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#494991 Nov 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Humor
WHY OLD MEN DON'T GET HIRED!
Human Resources Manager: "What is your greatest weakness?
Old Man: "Honesty."
Human Resources Manager: "I don't think honesty is a weakness."
Old Man: "I don't really give a shit what you think."
Lol.Good one,

By the,way MY WISH FOR,A HAPPY AND,BLESSED THANKSGIVING most assuredly
Includes you ....And,everyone here
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#494992 Nov 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
There,you go assuming again . It was not a trick question ..
Ok say a,priest or a minister is,committing CONTINUING SIN ..can we,assume,neither is,repentant,.And,for the,record each is,equally guilty as,far as I'm.concerned,...
We,are,ALL GUILTY or else we did not nerd Jesus to die,....But again talking about clergy ..
However the,minister is,not claiming a Change in bread and,wine,..
What you are,saying is,the change,takes,place regardless,of the,priest and His,condition....
That was,the answer to the,question..thanks,
So the priest is,blessed by performing mass,and communion ..But the,recipient isn't having the,same blessing in he,same,state,.
And yes,I KNOW,we,are,to repent sin .......before communion .
Ok thanks. I was REALLY CURIOUS,.
Now,supposedly the,Pope is,picked ny the leading of the HOLY Spirit .. by we know not ALL POPES,are not picked by politics .
For the,longest TIme the Italian s,had it sewn up..
Some,worthy ..some not ...would those,POPES,be valid giving dogma.
Someone said today we don't ask
Then if I ask ..You think I shouldn't ...
Anyway peace ...have a,most joyous,holidays
RoSezs

Peace

An interesting predicament. I had to think about this for a time, but if as you say a priest is in, lets say, "mortal" sin, the Eucharist is still valid. But if you remember the priest takes of the Eucharist first, and if he does partake, then he is condemned as not receiving the Eucharist in an unacceptable manner, the same as if one of the congregation would be condemned if in "mortal" sin....

Peace
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#494993 Nov 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>What? That your church is full of ( you fill in the blank) That is MY opinion and what I believe and NOT a personally attack on your human self....
Ok, this has to be asked. It's a sincere question.

What do you consider calling someone a nobody, a clown, a scumbag, and then telling them you hate everything about them and always have to be, if not a "personal attack on their human self"??

Some people call it correction. I call it abuse. Personal abuse. And all because someone voiced their opinion about the effects of sin.

Yes, I know I'm bringing it up again, but there's a very obvious double standard going on with you and your friends, Sera, and I'd really like to hear your rationale (-ization?).

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#494994 Nov 26, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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No, not at all. But it seems I was right about this...it didn't come from you, you repeated what your friends said. There's nothing wrong with being an Old Calendarist if that's what you really believe. I think there are even Old Calendarist Catholics. I also think you're trying too hard, Sera.
Your making unchecked assumptions very quickly here. Sera is not Old Calendarist. We are good friends with 3 Old Calendarists and speak with them re theology about 3 times a week.Sera and I have spoken re Old Calendarists many times.She does not have the education I have cause she had a hard life, but her mind is very very sharp.She never just repeats things.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#494995 Nov 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Good,question..But the HOLY SPIRit calls,those the,FATHER wishes,the SON to have ...not the minister ..
The words SAID at the,altar are great ...if the person saying them has,true Faith in Jesus,..salvation goes,to the believer from God ... NOT THROUGH ANY ONE ELSE ..
Jesus is,our ONLY HIGH PRIEST
Nothing the minister does,is,anything like,transubstantiation...NOR claims,to be ...ANY MINISTER WHO SAYS,HE,SAVES,PEOPLE is. WRONG ..
A,person can be lead to Jesus,in many was,..the HOLY SPIRIT USES,what He wants ...who HE uses,..when He chooses ....it's,never dependent on the minister ...though he may counsel ...plant a,seed ..pray WITH the person ...The person alone gives their heart to the LORD '''and can
Do it alone ..in a stadium..on a beach ..on the moon....just them and,JESUS,.. as it was when He was on the earth ..
The,apostles,preached the Word .And many were saved . THEy saved No one ..NOR does a,priest ...JESUS, saves
Right. And it's not by the priest's power that the bread and wine are transformed.

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#494996 Nov 26, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Look at the bright side...at least she's not saying your remarks are "impermeable" anymore, LOL!
What wiill you use to excuse this humiliatiing remark.Where did you get your degree- Oxford?
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#494997 Nov 26, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
I don't understand why reunion with Orth is so important to some Catholics here.First, they know very little re Orthodoxy besides superficial similarities.Secondly they know very little re whether the Ortho Church wants it. Basic knowledge of the Ortho Church and its history tells us the Church is not just the Patriarchs or the Bishops but the Priests and the People.Noone knows what will or will not occur.
It seems that the Caths that bring up the reunion issue here do so not our of "Christian Unity" but wanting to win some kind of competition and to stir up a nest here.
Would they be such a cheering section if the Cath Church was going to join the Ortho Church under a Patriarch? hat would be Christian Unity as well
The answer is no. Because its not about Christian Unity. ts about winning.
Lets try to grow up a little. Its not about winning. Its about salvation.I care about my salvation. If I wanted to be with the Cath Church and the Pope I would have joined that church.Salvation is not a half and half drink.
If some Orthos want to go to the Cath reunion, let them go.No hard feelings.I didnt join the Ortho Church on a whim.
Herme

Peace

You are quite right!

The Source of Salvation is not in man, but in God. So it doesn't matter what church one goes to, rather it is the relationship of the individual with God.

Leave it up to human beings to flub up a good thing...(smiles).

Peace
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#494998 Nov 26, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Anthony, being under the ope would change 2000 years of Ortho philosophy re what is a church and how it is managed. I dont want to do pages on this. Also look at the Eastern Cath Churches.I dont want to be placed in a "grey area". Salvation is not about "grey area".How long she has been Ortho is not relevant to the passion of one's beliefs. believe Christ said something about people coming to Him in the beginning v last.
Just trying to figure out if it's her dialogue with Catholics here as to why she thinks the Catholic Church is full of it. That would be unfortunate.

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#494999 Nov 26, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, this has to be asked. It's a sincere question.
What do you consider calling someone a nobody, a clown, a scumbag, and then telling them you hate everything about them and always have to be, if not a "personal attack on their human self"??
Some people call it correction. I call it abuse. Personal abuse. And all because someone voiced their opinion about the effects of sin.
Yes, I know I'm bringing it up again, but there's a very obvious double standard going on with you and your friends, Sera, and I'd really like to hear your rationale (-ization?).
Preston is a brother to me. Yes, even if he thinks Im going to hell. Yes , even if he does not believe in Icons, Saints, etc etc etc.The remark was very very hurtful.Preston was not about attacking someone's theology.He was angry that someone would say what she would say.

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#495000 Nov 26, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Herme
Peace
You are quite right!
The Source of Salvation is not in man, but in God. So it doesn't matter what church one goes to, rather it is the relationship of the individual with God.
Leave it up to human beings to flub up a good thing...(smiles).
Peace
If all the Churches in world burn down like the Temple, Ill still have Christ.He is my life.
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#495001 Nov 26, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>If all the Churches in world burn down like the Temple, Ill still have Christ.He is my life.
Herme

Amen to that brother.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#495002 Nov 26, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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"I believe slavery is a much maligned institution; if we had slavery today, we would not have this welfare mess."[3][4]
-Adrian Rogers
3.Jump up ^ Sherman, Cecil E.(2008). By My Own Reckoning. Macon, GA: Smyth & Helwys Publishing, Inc. p. 189. ISBN 1-57312-506-7.
4.Jump up ^ Edward T. Babinski, ed., Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists (N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1995) ISBN 1-59102-217-7 p. 125 See [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Rogers
Might I suggest when you quote Adrian Rogers you use the entire quote.

Cecil Sherman writes in his autobiography that he once questioned Rogers about biblical inerrancy with reference to New Testament passages that seem to support slavery. Sherman reports that Rogers replied: "I believe slavery is a much maligned institution; if we had slavery today, we would not have this welfare mess." Though Rogers later signed up to a revised Baptist Faith and Message to the effect that all races are equal before the Lord.

First of all, this quote DOES NOT APPEAR in any of Dr. Rogers’ written or verbal works. Rather it is reported by Cecil Sherman as part of a private conversation that took place back in 1985. I have no reason to believe that Sherman misrepresented Dr. Rogers’ words, but I do not know if these were his exact words, or if he spoke them seriously, or if he was just making a very bad joke.

2) The context of the quote was not American slavery but Roman slavery as it appears in the New Testament. This type of slavery was very different from American slavery, more of an indentured servitude rather than race-based oppression.(Also, Roman slavery is merely reported on in the New Testament, never affirmed or approved).

Poem heard in a sermon from Adrian Rogers.....

A lion met a tiger as they drank beside the pool.
Said the tiger to the lion,“Why are you roaring like a fool?”

“That’s not foolish,” said the lion with a twinkle in his eyes.
“They call me king of all the beasts because I advertise.”

A rabbit heard them speaking, ran homeward like a streak,
Thought he’d try the lion’s trick, but his roar was just a squeak.

A fox was walking by that way, had lunch in the woods.

The Moral: Never advertise unless you have the goods!
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#495003 Nov 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Now that makes sense doesn't it...But for some reason the Catholics here can not stand that....my opinion is my opinion
Sera, I'm really not trying to pick a fight with you. I try to take into account your passionate personality, yet I still get rather puzzled when you make the statements you do in the heat of an argument.

I've wondered what this forum would be like if there were several Orthodox posting and just myself representing the Catholic Church. Would I react the way you do if I felt I was being attacked by some of them and treated fairly by only a few? Would I take comfort in being treated kindly by some protestants with whom I share very little in the form of doctrine? How would the dynamic of this board change if there were several other Orthodox posting here with you? Would there be issues such as when the Coptic Christian was here?

I imagine that's how you and Nick must feel. I'm sorry for that. In my real life away from this forum I share nothing but love and joy with my Orthodox relatives and friends. I sincerely hope you can look past these little skirmishes and reconsider some of the things you think and say about our Church.

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