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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#491829 Nov 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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The fake savior and the fake devil were both imaginary products of the new testament.
The old testament had no devil named Satan, as the Jews believed that Jehovah created both good AND evil, and that no head-haunch devil was necessary.
You are peddling heresy against the Jews and Judaism, which is anti-Semitic nonsense.
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THE DEVIL IS NOT A FAKE...YOU ARE EVEN NOW FOLLOWING HIS AGENDA..

AS LONG AS YOU... DO NOT ADMIT HE EXIST ...HE CAN DO HIS DIRTY WORK THROUGH YOU ...INCOGNITO...

HE WILL USE YOU .... FLOUT YOUR EGO..AND ULTIMATELY DESTROY YOU ......

Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#491830 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="June VanDerMark" <quoted text>
What NEW covenant? That after Jesus' death as a faithful Jew, he wanted people to become Christians rather than purified Jews.
That is the silliest story EVER!!!
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A Christian of ANY race IS a purified Jew. "He is not a Jew that is circumcised in the flesh; he is a Jew that is circumcised in the heart. That option is available to all who will come to Him, as Abraham (father of the Jews, father of nations) came to Him in faith.
Ephesians says that 'He has made of the two (Jew and Gentile) ONE NEW MAN.'
You have to read it ALL. You can't understand what He is as long as you only know PART of His plan.
KayMarie
yep
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#491831 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
Which really doesn't answer my question. How do you know his decision to seperate from the Church was of God and how do you know that his hatred of the Jews (which was demonstrated AFTER he left) was the Catholic Church's fault?
In my opinion, you're just stating your opinion and not providing any proof one way or the other.
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who="Anthony MN"
Nice to see you back Kay, hope you're feeling better. Why must Luther's prostestant traits always be attributed to God's Divine plan, but his sins to the Catholic Church?
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Thank you, Anthony. Good to be here.
KayMarie
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Surprise to Dan: My husband wrote the following:
Luther's revelations on faith came by the Spirit. They were neither Protestant nor Catholic. They were of God, not man. They were termed 'Protestant', because the CC could not accept them. I didn't mention his 'sins'...just the racial anti-Jew one...which was taught by man.
I knew an individual who was raised in an orphanage in the early part of last century. She was 'taught' there that black people were a bit above cattle, but not really 'human'. That orphanage was neither Protestant nor Catholic...and the 'understanding' of the day 'sounded' reasonable...but it took a revelation to correct it. She had that 'revelation' eventually.
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Dan (to KayMarie):
Your husband certainly isn't willing to grant to Catholics the latitude you do here to Luther's human foible, particularly since Luther never had any "revelation" recorded whereupon he changed his mind nor his statements concerning Jews.
When it's Catholics who demonstrate human fault, he attributes the fault to Satan, extrapolating that Satan is the root of any evil on part of any Catholic living or dead, and then broad-brushes the entire institution on those grounds.
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Martin Luther...like all humans...had some human failings. He had been schooled in Catholicism, so he was naturally affected by their 'Jews killed Jesus' theology. He was also affected by/with a deep devotion to God.
But it was out of his devotion to God that he received the revelation that we are born again by faith.(Oh, that all would search for Him, and find revelation, instead of searching out faults with others.)
Our personal short-comings do not negate the Truth, though they hinder its progress. "The reproaches with which they reproached you, fell on ME (Christ)." And coming to Jesus, while we become 'new creatures in Him', we remain in the flesh, and do not suddenly become 'all-wise'.
Many have attempted to negate Luther's faith revelation, by pointing the finger at his failings.
Get your eyes off of Luther, and turn them on Jesus, the AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH.
KayMarie
Luther's "faith revelation" included attempting to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from scripture. This "faith revelation" included adding "faith alone" to St. Paul's epistle. In this "faith revelation" he called the letter of St. James "an Epistle of straw".

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#491832 Nov 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You have NO rights under the Abrahamic Jewish covenant, unless you are a Jew.
And as a rebel Protestant, you refuse to become a Jew.
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WHO I AM IS GOD'S DECISION AND YOU HAVE NOTHING IN IT...

HIS WORD SAID

Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

BECAUSE I AM BORN AGAIN MY HEART HAS BEEN CIRCUMCISED ..I AM A JEW INWARDLY..
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491833 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Surprise to Dan: My husband wrote the following:
Luther's revelations on faith came by the Spirit. They were neither Protestant nor Catholic. They were of God, not man
How SILLY!

Luther was a horny monk that desired to marry a nun, and so he claimed that the bible supported those desires.

When you claim he wasn't a Protestant, that is a lie. He was the leader of the Protestant cult, which by the way was and is also based on anti-Judaism.
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Anti-Jewish Agitation

Josel of Rosheim, who tried to help the Jews of Saxony, wrote in his memoir that their situation was "due to that priest whose name was Martin Luther — may his body and soul be bound up in hell!!— who wrote and issued many heretical books in which he said that whoever would help the Jews was doomed to perdition."[8] Robert Ashley Michael, Professor Emeritus of European History at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth writes that Josel asked the city of Strasbourg to forbid the sale of Luther's anti-Jewish works; they refused initially, but relented when a Lutheran pastor in Hochfelden argued in a sermon that his parishioners should murder Jews.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_an...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#491834 Nov 15, 2013
who="Dan" <quoted text>
....which fails to address Anthony's inquiry.
"Why must Luther's protestant traits always be attributed to God's Divine plan, but his sins to the Catholic Church?"

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Probably because the Catholic church has hated Luther so, and have denied the truth of his revelation.
Luther's revelation was not 'his Protestant traits', but the message has not been received. Instead it has been denied...though it is what the Gospel reveals. It was only 'revealed' to Luther; he didn't create it.

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491835 Nov 15, 2013
"A Christian of any race is a purified Jew."

What a silly statement.

That is comparable to stating that Christians that are anti-Semitic are purified Jews.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491836 Nov 15, 2013
So, according to these Catholics and Protestants on the forum ... Martin Luther was saved by Jesus first when he was Catholic, and then he was saved AGAIN by the same Jesus when he became Protestant.

He hated the Jews with a vile passion, but because he believed in the existence of Jesus the Jew, he became a purified Jew.

You people are INSANE!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#491837 Nov 15, 2013
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
So faith and good works will be evident if we are truly a new creation in Christ. Glad we agree there. The question then arises; if we claim that salvation is a one-time, immediate event by a profession of faith, and can never be lost, how can one claim they are saved without evidence of these works?

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There are 'professors', and 'possessors' in this field. Does one truly 'possess' salvation by faith, or do they just 'profess' to have it?
The possessors 'all called to good works'(Eph.2), and will be found doing them.
The professors are just 'hot air', or babies who have a lot to learn.

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491838 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Probably because the Catholic church has hated Luther so, and have denied the truth of his revelation.
Luther's revelation was not 'his Protestant traits', but the message has not been received. Instead it has been denied...though it is what the Gospel reveals. It was only 'revealed' to Luther; he didn't create it.
KayMarie
In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[13] They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine."[14] The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."[15] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[16] afforded no legal protection,[17] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[18] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_an...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#491839 Nov 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
"A Christian of any race is a purified Jew."
What a silly statement.
That is comparable to stating that Christians that are anti-Semitic are purified Jews.
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TO YOU EVERY THING ABOUT GOD... IS SILLY ..BECAUSE YOU ARE SOLD UNTO SIN AND WICKEDNESS...

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491840 Nov 15, 2013
Luther is the idol of Protestantism. John Chrysostom is the idol of Catholicism, and they both hated the Jew that were faithful to Judaism ... with a passion.

But NOW ... both Catholics and Protestants are certain that their idols are PURIFIED Jews.

It seems that there is no hope for ignorance to go beyond itself.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491841 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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TO YOU EVERY THING ABOUT GOD... IS SILLY ..BECAUSE YOU ARE SOLD UNTO SIN AND WICKEDNESS...
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
OH NOW ... I suggest you don't throw one of your curses at me as being real.

Your witchcraft has no power to control my thoughts ... as I see you for what you are ... which I perceive is an empty vessel with a trouble-making message based on lies.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#491844 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan" <quoted text>
....which fails to address Anthony's inquiry.
"Why must Luther's protestant traits always be attributed to God's Divine plan, but his sins to the Catholic Church?"
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Probably because the Catholic church has hated Luther so, and have denied the truth of his revelation.
Luther's revelation was not 'his Protestant traits', but the message has not been received. Instead it has been denied...though it is what the Gospel reveals. It was only 'revealed' to Luther; he didn't create it.
KayMarie
Luther added faith "alone" to scripture. He tried to discard Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from scripture. Maybe that's why we had problems with him?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491845 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Do you agree that (within the theology) Luther was receiving messages from Jehovah???
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Several months after publishing On the Jews and Their Lies, Luther wrote Vom Schem Hamphoras und vom Geschlecht Christi (Of the Unknowable Name and the Generations of Christ)', in which he equated Jews with the Devil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_an...
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#491846 Nov 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN" <quoted text>
So faith and good works will be evident if we are truly a new creation in Christ. Glad we agree there. The question then arises; if we claim that salvation is a one-time, immediate event by a profession of faith, and can never be lost, how can one claim they are saved without evidence of these works?
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There are 'professors', and 'possessors' in this field. Does one truly 'possess' salvation by faith, or do they just 'profess' to have it?
The possessors 'all called to good works'(Eph.2), and will be found doing them.
The professors are just 'hot air', or babies who have a lot to learn.
KayMarie
Although I'm flattered to see you going back a month or two to address questions that were avoided like the plague by protestants here you still haven't honestly answered them, you've just come up with clever avoidances.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491847 Nov 15, 2013
Catholics and Protestants want to give the impression that a son of Jehovah's came to earth to take followers further and further away from anything resembling Judaism.

Had the Catholics and Protestants believed in multiple gods, they could have each come up with a new god suited to their own religions.

But instead they both believed they could manipulate the one god of the Jews to convert to Catholicism and Protestantism ... and I suggest that their attempts at god-theft deserves nothing but scorn.

The wars of the Jews, Catholics, Muslims and Protestants to gain control over each other, has left nothing but bloodshed and murder in its vile and corrupted path.

What a shame.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#491848 Nov 15, 2013
who="OldJG" <quoted text>
The gold, silver and precious stones in the lives of believers will survive God’s refining fire, and believers will be rewarded based on those good works—how faithfully we served Christ, how well we obeyed the Great Commission, how victorious we were over sin, how well we controlled our tongues and so on. We will have to give an account for our actions, whether they were truly indicative of our position in Christ. The fire of God’s judgment will completely burn up the “wood, hay and stubble” of the words we spoke and things we did which had no eternal value. "So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God." Romans 14:12
Judged where? By whom? Can we flunk the salvation test? If so, how?

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Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For WITH WHAT JUDGMENT YOU JUDGE, YOU SHALL BE JUDGED: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Better walk softly on here...
KM

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Dawson Creek, Canada

#491849 Nov 15, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Luther added faith "alone" to scripture. He tried to discard Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from scripture. Maybe that's why we had problems with him?
Are you willing and EAGER to overlook the problems that the faithful Jews had and still have with the Catholics???

My guess is ... that would be a "YES!"

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#491850 Nov 15, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Luther's "faith revelation" included attempting to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from scripture. This "faith revelation" included adding "faith alone" to St. Paul's epistle. In this "faith revelation" he called the letter of St. James "an Epistle of straw".
The people of Nineveh... that listened to Jonah ...will rise up against you ....AS AN EXAMPLE in the day of judgment..

THEY BELIEVED GOD AND REPENTED

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Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

Jon 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

note
Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

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NOW hundreds of years later...YOU STILL HOLD ON TO YOUR HEATHEN RITUALS..

You still rave about LUTHER...the one that God RAISED UP AMONG YOU

to turn your backslidden religious society back to Him..

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