Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488593 Nov 6, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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God bless you .I forgive your meanness to me ..
You really "get off" on that "forgiveness" spiel ... don't you?

You come on a forum and invite debate and then when your feelings get hurt, you give a lesson to others on the meaning of forgiveness, teaching that after all, it IS the Christian way to behave.

How funny.

Besides ... if someone is mean to you, how do you know that a god would WANT to bless the other person???

From what I've heard about Jehovah, with all his might, he just might want to strike that person dead with a bolt of lightning ... and if your prayer gets in the way, Jehovah might take you down along with the culprit that said mean things to you.

:)

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488594 Nov 6, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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Honestly not anyone's business ..IMO.
On a forum everything is other people's business.

If you don't want information out there, it's best to keep it hidden from the public in the first place ... not complain about it after the fact.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#488595 Nov 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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(6) 1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

(6) Therefore the beginning of salvation is to acknowledge our wickedness and to require pardon from him, who freely forgives all sins, because he has promised to do so and he is faithful and just.
(g) So then our salvation depends on the free promise of God, who because he is faithful and just, will perform that which he hath promised.
(h) Where then are our merits? for this is our true happiness.
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Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
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Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek/gentile: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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The above is the process of being "BORN AGAIN"
JESUS SAID...Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
BEING BORN AGAIN... must preempt Water Baptism, joining a Church,
example ...
UNTIL ONE IS BORN PHYSICALLY...HE CANNOT FUNCTION AS A NORMAL HUMAN BEING
UNTIL ONE IS BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT...HE CANNOT FUNCTION IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken
your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
WHEN WE ARE BORN AGAIN WE BECOME A SON OF GOD..

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

UNTIL WE ARE BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT

AS JESUS SAID

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488596 Nov 6, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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It is neither and both.
There you go again ... indicating that YOU know wisdom when you spot it!

How funny!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#488597 Nov 6, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Show me where Christ made it a requirement to be baptized in His answer to Nico.
Ox,

Jesus was trying to explain to Nico that <<<born again>>> is a SPIRITUAL BIRTH (baptism).....

Jesus told Nico, if you don't understand the physical, how are you going to understand the SPIRITUAL....

Born again (baptism) is a SPIRITUAL birth....

Born again (baptism) is your SPIRITUAL birthday.....

Please study this scripture:

Ecclesiastes 7:1

7 A good name is better than fine perfume,
and the day of death better than the day of birth.

When we are born again (baptism,) it is our day of death (dead to sin-free from the bondage of sin) as it is better than our day of birth.

John 3:6

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

***Flesh gives birth to flesh....physical birth....

***Spirit gives birth to spirit....spiritual birth...God (Spirit) gives birth (born again-baptism) to our spirit....

I hope this helps you.....

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#488598 Nov 6, 2013
the first answer comes from the campbellite teachings, see how much different it is than what the Bible says. I like this answer since it is in alignment with the Bible.

While we should preach that all men are commanded to repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38)[ME, even this isn't entirely correct since the actual commandment is to Repent], adding any other requirement to salvation by grace becomes "works" in disguise. Even though numerous Scriptures speak of the importance of water baptism, adding anything to the work of the cross demeans the sacrifice of the Savior. It implies that His finished work wasn’t enough. But the Bible makes clear that we are saved by grace, and grace alone (Ephesians 2:8,9). Baptism is simply a step of obedience to the Lord following our repentance and confession of sin. Our obedience— water baptism, prayer, good works, fellowship, witnessing, etc.—issues from our faith in Christ. Salvation is not what we do, but Who we have: "He that has the Son has life" (1 John 5:12). See Acts 2:38 footnotes.
Source(s):
For an even more detailed response to your question, I would look here... http://www.carm.org/questions/baptnec.ht

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488599 Nov 6, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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And far be it for me to condemn you without just cause.
Maybe if we condemn all others and our selves to start with ... that would be on the right track of wisdom ... as there would BE no favorites.

I'll start with the premise that all people are completely evil and wicked.

Now it's your turn ... IF of course you "want" to play the game.

Do you believe any certain person should be left out of that picture???

:)

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#488600 Nov 6, 2013
sorry, forgot the link.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index... .

but just goes to us, that not all answers line up with the actual Word of God on got question
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#488601 Nov 6, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Well, as most everything to those in your religion IS sin, you have to die in body so that you CAN die in sin.
Silly people.
It's no wonder so many people committed suicide trying in states of despair to escape sin.
It is because, June, you have no idea of the DANGERS of SIN.....

If you don't understand the physical, you are NOT going to understand the SPIRITUAL.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#488602 Nov 6, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I believe that you are convinced of your own "knowledge."
Who were "your" teachers???
Before following the words of others, I suggest it's best to find out who encouraged them to mentally in-jest specific words as Truth.
Men's words are NO value to me....

It is God's words that hold ALL substance of living a righteous life.....

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488603 Nov 6, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you friend!
I used to have people refer to me as friend on the forum when I agreed with their perspectives.

But when I disagreed later with their perspectives, they referred to me as mentally ill.

Humans are the most fickle of all animals.

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488604 Nov 6, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Did I say we don't have Jesus??
Every devout Christian is certain that he/she has Jesus the Jew corralled in a prison of Christian design.

The most ridiculous of all prisons to a Jew would be to work in Catholic confessionals.

But that is what imagination can do to believers when they allow imagination to grow wild.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#488605 Nov 6, 2013
hojo wrote:
The Pillar and Foundation of the Truth (CCC 148-580) Church Fathers
One of the most important – and consequently most attacked – doctrines of the Catholic Church is the doctrine concerning the Church herself. The view that the Church is visible, hierarchical, authoritative and possessed of “all truth” forms a key understanding of all other Catholic doctrines. It is the Church who administers the sacraments, which are the ordinary means of salvation and grace. It is the Church who wrote the Bible and only the Church who can correctly interpret Sacred Scripture.
This article will show how the Catholic apologist can defend the Catholic doctrines and refute the anti-Catholic views concerning the Church. Note that many of these positions rely on simple, direct logic – a Church which possesses certain characteristics must possess others. Just as a building which possesses a roof must have rooms which possess ceilings, so must a Church which is authoritative be visible, for example.
Did Christ want a Church at all?
Although Saint Paul speaks of the Church as the “pillar and foundation of the truth” in I Timothy 3:15 (a passage which clearly shows that he considered the Church to be massively important) did Jesus want to found a Church? Scripture makes it clear that He did.
In Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus says that He will build His Church – this very clear! Later on, Jesus speaks of the Church again in Matthew 18:17-18. Jesus constantly tells the apostles to go out and spread the Gospel – Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-16 – why would He do this if He did not wish to found some sort of community? This community is called the Church – and these Scriptures prove that Jesus intended to found one. Other Scriptures, logic and common sense will show that Jesus intended to found – and did found – a Church which has all the characteristics of the Catholic Church and is, therefore, the Catholic Church.
The Authoritative Church
One of the major objections to the claims that the Church makes regarding herself is that she alone has authority to interpret God's word in the Bible, and indeed to formally what the Christian religion is when it is revealed to her by the Holy Spirit. Many people who react badly to this are simply having a problem with any form of authority, and consider that there is an invisible church rather than the visible one Christ actually founded.
However, Scripture is clear that the Church has authority – in Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus delegates His power to the apostles. The authority to perform specific acts is given in other passages – John 20:23 (the power to forgive sin), I Corinthians 11:23-24 (the power to offer sacrifice, the Eucharist), Luke 10:16 (the power to speak with Christ's voice), Matthew 18:18 (the power to legislate) and Matthew 18:17 (the power to discipline).
From a perspective of pure common sense and logic, what would be the point of founding a Church (which Christ clearly wanted to do) without giving her authority? If the Church has no power, what what is she? She is simply a collection of believers with no power to enforce laws or discipline those who are dissident – anyone could claim to be a member of her even if they denied all the tenets of her laws and beliefs! Organizations logically require authority over their members and authority to determine what the criteria for membership are; otherwise they are not organizations at all, but simply a label without a clear definition.
That's all in good if your a Catholic and you must believe that.Problem is non Catholics don't believe that your church is Christ Church so we're back to square one...You will NEVER change the minds of non Catholic's here that your church is the true Church...so its pointless to keep bringing that same ole statement up. Just provide your facts to back up your claim and non Catholic's will provide theirs..Thats a debate.

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488606 Nov 6, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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There is no such thing as "evil". There is good, and there is bad.
Well I agree that the word evil should be removed from language by lack of use. But why were you puffing up the poster "Truth" when the word evil was being used as a word worthy of use BY the poster "Truth?"

And as for the terms good and bad ... what is perceived as good to one person is perceived as bad to another.

For instance ... burning people as heretics was and still is by some people perceived as good ... while to the people being burned, that is very bad in deed!

Those who cut and dry morals as being set in stone, make a big mistake ... as morals are perceived as good by some people and bad by others. And in religion it's even worse ... as some people perceive their selves as holy and wise ... and others as dumb and evil.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#488607 Nov 6, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I used to have people refer to me as friend on the forum when I agreed with their perspectives.
But when I disagreed later with their perspectives, they referred to me as mentally ill.
Humans are the most fickle of all animals.
I have never called you mentally ill....you have a right to your opinion and I mine I have no desire to convert you or condemn you..
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#488608 Nov 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
Truth wrote:
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Ox,
What do you believe born again is?
On salvation....
God has His part....
Man has his part.....
Hint: Baptism is a command...
show us in the Bible(not your church theology)where Jesus ever commanded ONE person to be Baptized, Hank, just ONE person.
it is very obvious that you are changing THE WORD OF GOD TO FIT YOUR CHURCH DOCTRINE.
He TOLD the Apostles to go out and Baptize people, but that is much different than you saying that Baptism is another Commandment from God, since it isn't.
and we have been down this road many times as I have corrected you on this false theology that comes from the campbellite/stone movement. when a group such as yours changes the Word of God, it places itself in the realm of being a Cult, doesn't It?.
so lets look at it like this. Jesus also told them to go and Preach, now using the campbellite/stone theology, it is a commandment for every person to be a preacher.
hope that you can see this easy [analogy] proves your church doctrine is flawed as well as false.
Preston,

Hope all is well with you....

No church doctrine, Preston....it is from the Word of God....

I have always stated SPIRITUAL and I am still saying SPIRITUAL....

Not a physical birth but a SPIRITUAL birth...

Ecclesiastes 7:1

7 A good name is better than fine perfume,
and the day of death better than the day of birth.

***Day of death better than the day of birth....

We also need to have a good name....

Proverbs 22:1

22 A good name is more desirable than great riches;
to be esteemed is better than silver or gold.

Whose name to we carry with us, Preston?

Matthew 5:16

16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Proverbs 3:1-4

1 My son, do not forget my teaching,
but keep my commands in your heart,

2 for they will prolong your life many years
and bring you peace and prosperity.

3 Let love and faithfulness never leave you;
bind them around your neck,
write them on the tablet of your heart.

4<<<<<Then you will win favor and a good name
in the sight of God and man.>>>>>

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#488609 Nov 6, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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If its evil, the devil made him/her commit the deed ... as evil only stems from one of those nasty devils.
That's religion for you.
"I'll throw my evil-dagger at that person ... and welcome in all the holy stuff for me ... as my halo glows with light from my god above."
YUCK!!!
okie dokie..if that is your will it shall be done..

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488610 Nov 6, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<YOU WILL UNDERSTAND IT BETTER BY AND BY.
Catholics and Protestants killed each for centuries over the meanings of the words in the same bible.

They don't kill each other any more, as the law won't allow it, but as is proof on this forum, the fight over the meanings of words continues non-stop.

And you have the nerve to shout that understanding will come to others "by and by."

No doubt you, as do all others that read the words, are certain YOU have the correct understanding.

Arrogance has no boundaries.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#488611 Nov 6, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Aww, your Ladi *slip* is showing
and your arrogants and ignorance is showing

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#488612 Nov 6, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Truth, while I do appreciate your replies but your understabnding leaves much to be desired when it comes to RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
Case in point! You believe you are a teacher of pure wisdom.

:)

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