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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 673294 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#488357 Nov 5, 2013
Once again I got posters mixed up. How pathetic.

:)

It's almost as though I behave as does a mortal human.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488358 Nov 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you trying to lead people astray of Christianity???
yes - as well as, the demise of other religions

Why? Do you have something that I can post that will help?

One will not lose any "faith or hope" in a belief, but only if they choose to.

No religion is needed to attain any supposed salvation. You do understand this, granted after 70+ years, but you understand this.

Others should as well.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#488359 Nov 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Confession at one time was open to the public ... until members of the hierarchy decided that confession had to go indoors and be on a one to one basis between the priests and their "victims."
And I suggest you don't ever believe that the priests (being mortal humans) didn't take advantage of THAT power to gain control over other gullible humans, who in turn were taught to believe that the priests spoke on behalf of Jesus ... their supposed savior.
=

Thus you have this shift from a onetime public act of reconciliation practiced in the church in the mid third century to a private act of confession and penance starting in the late 4th century.

Contrary to your statement that private confession was done for the Priest to acquire power, this was done for purposes of discretion, privacy, encouragement, and mercy from the draconian harsh lengthy punishments that accompanied public confession.

It was felt that public confession would discourage people from coming forward and expose them to contempt from people if the sin was publicly revealed.

Those same appointed Priests would then assign penances for those who confessed to work them out by themselves.

Confession was done for only a certain type of sin, it was generally public, the works of penance were also strictly a public affair which could only be done once in a person’s lifetime, and there was no judicial absolution as is practiced by the Roman Church today.

The early Church dealt severely with sin among its members. But this had to do with sins it considered to be very grave such as adultery, fornication, murder, heresy and denying Christ in persecution. Such sins would be dealt with by excommunication.

For those individuals who had committed mortal sin it became necessary, in order to be forgiven and restored to the Church, that they generally publicly confess their sins and submit themselves to an extensive penitential discipline of personal humiliation which could only be done one time in one’s lifetime.

This discipline meant that they would be excluded from communion and would undergo weeping, fasting and other disciplines requiring protracted ascetic and religious exercises for long periods of time.

An example of the harshness of punishment prior to the formal institution of private confession with a priest is the one dealt to the adulterer:

LVIII. The adulterer will be excluded from the sacrament for fifteen years. During four he will be a weeper, and during five a hearer, during four a kneeler, and for two a stander without communion

What the early Church called confession or public penance for grave sin was not initially something that could be done over and over again. And because of its very demanding and humiliating character many people put off the discipline until the end of their lives.

However, over time there was a gradual change in this practice so that eventually no matter how often an individual might sin he could seek reconciliation through the presbyter

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Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#488360 Nov 5, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Its a control thing...be like me, act like me,think like me,heck..BE ME..LOL
Well stated.

And add that human attitude to religion and what have you got?

"You MUST to belong to MY religion, or you will spend eternity in hell."

All those old religions had the same story. "Hell for others ... eternal bliss for US!"

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#488361 Nov 5, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
"you are pure evil"
"the devil loves how you hate..."
"....but yours....yours is more evil."
The so-called "love" that a so-called "Christian" portrays.
*sighs*
Are you cementing your stance in becoming an ex-Christian? You'll fit right in.
there was CROOKED MAN who walked a crooked mile who points a crooked finger with a crooked smile...that's her...lol

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#488362 Nov 5, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Self.
Hahahahaha

All selfs can't be like your self-perceived HOLY Gnostic Knowledgeable SELF! It's simply too much to expect of others.

:)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#488363 Nov 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The catholic church is a false doctrine, and happens to be the biggest deceiver of mankind. The bible doesn't speak one word of a catholic anything in the bible, nothing at all. The Church of Christ is the only church on this planet that worships and is spoken of as the church Jesus built, Matthew 16;18, Romans 16;16. I urge you to go to the nearest Church of Christ and get baptized and start your life as a child of God in the true church of the bible, The Church of Christ.
~~~

You wrote about.... what you say is...

the true church of the bible, The Church of Christ.

I am not here to defend any denomination...

Human error can be found in all denomination...

and they have different applications of scriptures..

no matter what it's name is...NONE IS PERFECT...

My purpose here is to defend the word of God..

AS IT PERTAINS TO A CULT THAT CLAIMS

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

AND ATTEMPTS TO STEAL MY HERITAGE IN CHRIST..

BY ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT/WILL... THAT WAS GIVEN TO ALL MEN BY THE TESTATOR JESUS CHRIST...THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

WHO SIGNED MY PARDON WITH HIS LIFE'S BLOOD AND AND SAID "IT IS FINISHED" ON CALVARY'S CROSS..

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he/JESUS is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

~~~

AFTER JESUS THE TESTATOR ( the one that gave us the will) DIED ...

HE ROSE AGAIN TO BECOME

THE EX'ECUTER,(n. One who performs or carries into effect.)OF HIS WILL...

___

HE HAS NO CO - Executress CALLED MARY
EXEC'UTRESS

EXEC'UTRIX, n. A female executor; a woman appointed by a testator to execute his will.

HE HAS NO REPRESENTATIVE (VICAR)

Vicar
VIC'AR, n.[L. vicarius, from vicis, a turn, or its root.]

1. In a general sense, a person deputed or authorized to perform the functions of another; a substitute in office. The pope pretends to be vicar of Jesus Christ on earth.

~~~
HIS REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH IS THE HOLY GHOST...

The third person of the GODHEAD

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488364 Nov 5, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Its a control thing...be like me, act like me,think like me,heck..BE ME..LOL
You really don't know how much this applies and is true, even to yourself, huh?

One can conform to others and their wishes, but in truth, one chooses to take on that helm.

I learned a long time ago that we make our lives the way we choose to - with or without a religion to lean on. THose of us who have chosen to remove the crutch, we "know" what great things life can bring us.

Those who still use the crutch, it is only perceived on what life can give them.

As based upon some of the posts posted into this forum, it appears to be a completely true statement.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#488365 Nov 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Confession at one time was open to the public ... until members of the hierarchy decided that confession had to go indoors and be on a one to one basis between the priests and their "victims."
And I suggest you don't ever believe that the priests (being mortal humans) didn't take advantage of THAT power to gain control over other gullible humans, who in turn were taught to believe that the priests spoke on behalf of Jesus ... their supposed savior.
=

Over time, the forms in which the sacrament of confession has been administered have changed.

In the early Church, "public confession" did mean it was done outdoors. Confession was public; that is, one confessed one’s sins openly in church, in the presence of the entire faith community.

Private confession to a priest was always an option for privately committed sins. The priest who “stood in” for the community, as its presiding officer and as its witness to the penitent’s repentance.

In the fourth century the penitents of the Church were divided into four classes.
C
LASSES OF PENITENTS

THE WEEPERS

Before the church there was commonly either an open area surrounded with porticoes, called atrium, with a font of water in the center. This was the place at which the first and lowest order of penitents, the weepers stood exposed to the weather.

AUDIENTES, OR HEARERS

The first part after passing through “the great gates,” or doors of the building, called the Narthex in was a narrow vestibule extending the whole width of the church.

In this part, to which Jews and Gentiles, and in most places even heretics and schismatics were admitted, stood the Catechumens, and the Energumens or those afflicted with evil spirits, and the second class of penitents ), who were called the audientes, or hearers. These were allowed to hear the Scriptures read, and the Sermon preached, but were obliged to depart before the celebration of the Divine Mysteries, with the Catechumens, and the others who went by the general name of hearers only.

KNEELERS OR PROSTRATORS

The second division, or main body of the church, was called the Naos or Nave. Before coming to the Ambo, in the lowest part of the Nave, and just after passing the royal gates, was the place for the third order of penitents, called in Latin Genuflectentes or Prostrati, i.e., kneelers or prostrators, because they were allowed to remain and join in certain prayers particularly made for them. Before going out they prostrated themselves to receive the imposition of the bishop’s hands with prayer. This class of penitents left with the Catechumens.

In the other parts of the Nave stood the believers or faithful, i.e., those persons who were in full communion with the Church, the men and women generally on opposite sides.

THE CONSISTENTES

Amongst these were the fourth class of penitents, who were consistentes, i.e., co-standers, because they were allowed to stand with the faithful, and to remain and hear the prayers of the Church, after the Catechumens and the other penitents were dismissed, and to be present while the faithful offered and communicated, though they might not themselves make their offerings, nor partake of the Holy Communion.

It was the last grade to be passed through previous to the being admitted again to full communion.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488366 Nov 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:

I understand that you believe you can tell fortunes.

I don't follow your Gnostic nonsense as do you.

I believe that all religion is nonsense ... yours included.
June VanDerMark wrote:
Once again I got posters mixed up. How pathetic.
:)
It's almost as though I behave as does a mortal human.
Go ahead, beat yourself up some more - you deserve it all.

And no worries about losing some sleep, just in case you think I didn't read it....I did.

There, now go and be rest assured, I've read your post and noted its complexity on what it means.

:o)

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#488367 Nov 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
Here are a few things that God doesn't approve of,
A.D. 108-112 Having water blessed before usage
early second century Separation of clergy (preachers and elders) from laity (members)
A.D. 140 Special days set aside for fasting, which eventually leads to the practice of Lent
Second century
Special vestments for clergy
Second century Meeting of elders in a region
A.D. 180 Sprinkling accepted as an alternative for immersion in the case of sickness or special needs
A.D. 180 Infants are baptized
late second century Making the sign of the cross when praying
A.D. 230 Belief in purgatory
Third century Prohibition of clergy to marry
Third century Head of regional eldership called a bishop
A.D. 325 Constantine calls for a council, marking the beginning of the joining of church and state
A.D. 325 Celebration of Easter
A.D. 329 Confessing sins to a priest
Fourth century Bishops from major cities called archbishops
Fourth and fifth centuries Monastic orders
A.D. 350 The mass replaces the Lord's Supper
A.D. 360 Celebration of Christmas
A.D. 380 Theodosius declares Christianity to be the state religion
A.D. 400 Doctrine of inherited sins, salvation by faith only, and once saved always saved advocated
A.D. 417 Candles are used in worship as a sacred element
A.D. 470 Veneration of Mary as the mother of God
A.D. 492 Transubstantiation, the belief that the elements of the mass become the literal body and blood of Christ
A.D. 500 Veneration and bowing to images of saints
A.D. 528 Extreme Unction, the anointing of the dead or dying for spiritual forgiveness
A.D. 590 Gregory I becomes the archbishop of Rome and declared Rome to be the center of the universal church
A.D. 606 Boniface III accepts the title of Pope
A.D. 670 Organ music was introduced into the worship, but was removed when division was threatened
A.D. 775 The organ was reintroduced and remained.
A.D. 1053 Pope Leo IX excommunicated Michael Cerularius, the archbishop of Constantinople, causing the formation of the Eastern Orthodox Church
A.D. 1090 Rosary beads introduced
A.D. 1311 Sprinkling is accepted as a form of baptism for all people.
A.D. 1414 Laity does not partake of the cup during Mass
A.D. 1845 Doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary
A.D. 1870 Infallibility of the Pope
Call no man father, as your father in Heaven is your only Father.
Great list!

Thanks!
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#488368 Nov 5, 2013
Working for the Lord wrote:
Here are a few things that God doesn't approve of,
A.D. 108-112 Having water blessed before usage
early second century Separation of clergy (preachers and elders) from laity (members)
A.D. 140 Special days set aside for fasting, which eventually leads to the practice of Lent
Second century
Special vestments for clergy
Second century Meeting of elders in a region
A.D. 180 Sprinkling accepted as an alternative for immersion in the case of sickness or special needs
A.D. 180 Infants are baptized
late second century Making the sign of the cross when praying
A.D. 230 Belief in purgatory
Third century Prohibition of clergy to marry
Third century Head of regional eldership called a bishop
A.D. 325 Constantine calls for a council, marking the beginning of the joining of church and state
A.D. 325 Celebration of Easter
A.D. 329 Confessing sins to a priest
Fourth century Bishops from major cities called archbishops
Fourth and fifth centuries Monastic orders
A.D. 350 The mass replaces the Lord's Supper
A.D. 360 Celebration of Christmas
A.D. 380 Theodosius declares Christianity to be the state religion
A.D. 400 Doctrine of inherited sins, salvation by faith only, and once saved always saved advocated
A.D. 417 Candles are used in worship as a sacred element
A.D. 470 Veneration of Mary as the mother of God
A.D. 492 Transubstantiation, the belief that the elements of the mass become the literal body and blood of Christ
A.D. 500 Veneration and bowing to images of saints
A.D. 528 Extreme Unction, the anointing of the dead or dying for spiritual forgiveness
A.D. 590 Gregory I becomes the archbishop of Rome and declared Rome to be the center of the universal church
A.D. 606 Boniface III accepts the title of Pope
A.D. 670 Organ music was introduced into the worship, but was removed when division was threatened
A.D. 775 The organ was reintroduced and remained.
A.D. 1053 Pope Leo IX excommunicated Michael Cerularius, the archbishop of Constantinople, causing the formation of the Eastern Orthodox Church
A.D. 1090 Rosary beads introduced
A.D. 1311 Sprinkling is accepted as a form of baptism for all people.
A.D. 1414 Laity does not partake of the cup during Mass
A.D. 1845 Doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary
A.D. 1870 Infallibility of the Pope
Call no man father, as your father in Heaven is your only Father.
Since YOU are not God,--nor do you have ANY AUTHORITY to speak for God,---your anti-catholic "twisted, distorted and heretical personal opinions" have ZERO CREDIBILITY and MEAN NOTHING!!.. In other words, YOU have absolutely "no idea" as to what you are talking about, which is (no different) than ANY of your other 42,000 bible only contradicting and iinconsistent Protestant "editorialists!!!-- This comes as "no surprise" to ANY of us Catholics who know the TRUTH of the TRUE WORD OF GOD, which comes ONLY from Jesus Christ HIMSELF, manifested in and through HIS One True Apostolic Catholic Church!!!!

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#488369 Nov 5, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You really don't know how much this applies and is true, even to yourself, huh?
One can conform to others and their wishes, but in truth, one chooses to take on that helm.
I learned a long time ago that we make our lives the way we choose to - with or without a religion to lean on. THose of us who have chosen to remove the crutch, we "know" what great things life can bring us.
Those who still use the crutch, it is only perceived on what life can give them.
As based upon some of the posts posted into this forum, it appears to be a completely true statement.
well...I have never tried to preach to anyone on this forum that My church was the right church come be like me...

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#488370 Nov 5, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text> Why would Jesus have negative thoughts about this? Obtaining indulgence from God through the Church
1478 An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.90
1479 Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted. Christ doesn't have negative thoughts about this, only you because you can't and won't understand.
THE TREASURY IS THE BLOOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST ...the only POSSIBLE...REPARARTION ..THE SACRIFICE OF THE PERFRCT LAMB .

It,is applied ONLY BY CHRIST to hose who believe in Him as Saviuor.
Who have repented TO HIM..And follow His,teaching ...

By Grace we have FAITH. BY FAITH WE have ETERNAL LIFE..

We do not get saved by good works done by other people now dead ..given out by a,Church

Only by the BLOOD OF OUR LORD

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488371 Nov 5, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahahahaha
All selfs can't be like your self-perceived HOLY Gnostic Knowledgeable SELF! It's simply too much to expect of others.
:)
That is why I don't expect anything from anyone....including you.

Although, each of us may have some sort of a "nugget" of information to convey and that we may call "beneficial", it doesn't always mean that it will be picked up by the individual.

So to agree - not all "selfs" can be like me or as you think - "self-perceived Holy Gnostic knowledgeable Self". True.

It will take some time, as even I have not attained that achievement.

What else do you have to go along with the forum's discussion?
- NOMAD-

Plymouth, MA

#488372 Nov 5, 2013
C'mon you guys..The RCC is a Work of the Devil, the Great deciever of Truth.

I'am not sure if there is 1 true church where Jesus is in absolute control. Noboby here has that information. But as a ex RCC i can attest to the fact [IMO] that there is no Singular Christian Church that is favored over another.
If you feel there is, then by all means, come aboard and share your thought's.

I have beel waiting and looking for many years to find that 1 church to worship in.Thank you one and all.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488373 Nov 5, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Since YOU are not God,--nor do you have ANY AUTHORITY to speak for God,---your anti-catholic "twisted, distorted and heretical personal opinions" have ZERO CREDIBILITY and MEAN NOTHING!!.. In other words, YOU have absolutely "no idea" as to what you are talking about, which is (no different) than ANY of your other 42,000 bible only contradicting and iinconsistent Protestant "editorialists!!!-- This comes as "no surprise" to ANY of us Catholics who know the TRUTH of the TRUE WORD OF GOD, which comes ONLY from Jesus Christ HIMSELF, manifested in and through HIS One True Apostolic Catholic Church!!!!
Please post the citation that refers to the exclusive speakers for "God" - past and present.

You do post as if you know these things.

If you don't have a listing of such indidividuals, I will consider from this point that you really don't have any knowledge of Christianity, you parrot what other men have stated, and the same continuous rant only shows you have one piece of paper that you constantly repeat from.

In truth hojo, you ain't got shite, except for a constan evil and hatred of others and what they believe.

I'm so glad I am on the other side of the fence, just so I can point out your hypocrisy.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#488374 Nov 5, 2013
hojo wrote:
'You can't have Christ without the Church,' Pope reminds Wednesday Audience
It is erroneous to think that humanity can have Jesus Christ without the Catholic Church, and God’s plan for humanity includes and is intimately connected with the Church, Pope Francis taught today as part of a new series of reflections that he is beginning during his weekly Wednesday General Audiences. Pope Francis ended the series of reflections on the Creed begun by his predecessor Benedict XVI last week, and this week began his own Wednesday series of undetermined length centered around the Church, its nature, and its importance in the plan of salvation. The Holy Father reminded the nearly 90,000 pilgrims gathered in a rainy St. Peter’s Square that “it is the Church that brings us Christ.”
“Even today, some say,‘Christ yes, the Church no,’ like those who say,‘I believe in God, but in priests, no.’ They say,‘Christ: yes. Church: no.’ Nevertheless, it is the Church that brings us Christ and that brings us to God. The Church is the great family of God’s children,” the Holy Father taught.“Of course,” the Pope said,“the Church also has the human aspects: in those who compose it, pastors and faithful, there are flaws, imperfections, sins – the Pope has his, as well: he has lots of them; but the beautiful thing is that, when we become aware that we are sinners, we find the mercy of God. God always forgives: do not forget this.”
The catholic church is nothing more than the biggest deceiver of mankind, they teach nothing but false doctrine. Can't you get it that the only true church of the bible is the Church of Christ, why can't you comprehend that? I urge you to go to the nearest Church of Christ and get baptized and start your life as a child of God. My friend you are lost and you need to get right with God before it's to late.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#488375 Nov 5, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>well...I have never tried to preach to anyone on this forum that My church was the right church come be like me...
...and this is what I appreciate from you and Herme. You don't.

You both seem to utilize your belief in Orthodoxy as a way to better yourself.

If more people used this mentality, religion would become what it is always referred to as - "a personal relationship with God" - not one to preach to unknown onlookers or by free-lance, arm-chair evangelical wanna-bees.

Many don't realize these semanitcs, because more than likely, many were never told of these semantics.

Thanks for responding Sera! Happy Tuesday to you!

"It's five o'clock somewhere!" Jimmy Buffet
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“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#488376 Nov 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I AM POSTING IN BEHALF OF GOD'S SON...WHO DIED FOR MY SINS...
SOME 700 YEARS BEFORE HE CAME TO EARTH ISAIAH SAID OF HIM
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But
1.he was wounded for our transgressions,
2.he was bruised for our iniquities:
3.the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and
4.with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
5.the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
HE TOOK MY SIN UPON HIM SELF
AND
HE IS ALTOGETHER WORTHY OM ALL THE PRAISES I CAN BESTOW UPON HIM..
AND MORE
Amen

And,who ate we to deserve such mercy ..

All we can do is,repent of these transgressions,heaped on HIM.

love ..honor and praise Him...

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