Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#485442 Oct 26, 2013
Tango Bravo wrote:
<quoted text>
Baltimore Catechism #2 identifies itself as "A CATECHISM OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE" ( http://catecheticsonline.com/... ).
If you go to the Vatican website ( http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.... ) and look up the current Catechism it's identified as "CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH".
Evidently they do identify themselves as "universal = catholic" and restrict the word "Roman" to identify an individual rite of liturgy that is commonly used in the United States and elsewhere but which is not the only rite used in the Catholic Church.
It seems likely that the Roman rite might be used in Rome. I wouldn't know. But it appears that a variety of rites (Roman, Byzantine, etc.) are used in different Catholic churches/diocese around the world. One Catholic Church with many rites.
Who knew?
Not me until I came here ..for,sure ..
I learned from toLd Baltimore Catechisms ..both 1and 2

Say HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC..NUNS,AND PRISTES IN TWO SATES,CALKED IT THAT .

for some reason that's, an insult these,days ..

But it's,how,I knew it when I was Catholic ...

And,sooty I'll always think.of I thats way..
I'm not much interested in their today CATECHISM to be honest .

I know,what I learned such makes,me NEITHER PROTESTANT ..NOR FANATIC

I'M.S,Christian..blood bought by my Saviuor ...born again into true FULL belief in Jesus,Christ .

BUT thanks,for noticing the changes ...I'm not crazy ..Good,to know ..:).
Liam

Saint Paul, MN

#485443 Oct 26, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is your church(and all churches under it's auspices) not headed by the Bishop of Rome, the Roman Curia, and the Holy See(based in Rome)? Do they not refer to your church as The Roman Catholic Church?
Let us keep it real here.
Yes the Bishop of Rome is head of the Universal Church. No, the Bishop of Rome (Pope) does not refer to the Church as the Roman Catholic Church.

If you were like Rose and I and grew up with the Roman rite Mass, and you perhaps visited Minneapolis and wanted to attend Mass on Sunday, you'd Google "Roman Catholic Churches" and a list of Catholic Churches will pop up who adhere to the Roman rite. Like Saint Agnes Church in St Paul.

If you were Turkish or Greek and visited Minneapolis and wanted to attend mass on Sunday, you'd probably Google "Byzantine Catholic Church" and a list of Byzantine Churches would pop up. Like Saint John the Baptist in Minneapolis.

Saint John is not a Roman Catholic Church. They still recognize the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, but to call them Roman Catholic would be incorrect, they are Byzantine Catholic.
Saint John and Saint Agnes are not separated Catholic Churches. They just have different adjectives describing the same exact Church.

Hope that helps.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#485444 Oct 26, 2013
Jesus Christ Established a Visible, Hierarchical and Authoritative Church On Earth, with Bishops, Priests, Elders and Deacons---Acts 2

Every Christian believes that Jesus Christ established and sustains a community of faith, hope and love for all believers. This community we call His Church. The Church that Christ founded is the Catholic Church which has a formal earthly structure established by Christ and which continues under His authority and protection.

In the Old Testament we see God's continual involvement in the lives of the Israelites through appointed prophets. God delivered, instructed and admonished the Israelites. He made His motions in a visible, specific and formal way. He always did so through human hands, mouths, feet, minds and wills. God established a law and a means for executing it.

In concert with His redemptive act, Jesus did three things that established the framework of His Church. First, He chose humans to carry out His work. He appointed Peter to be the visible head of the Church. Jesus said to Peter, "You are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church." (Matthew 16: 18) Jesus said "build," as in to create a structure. Jesus built His structure on specifically chosen human beings Peter and the apostles.

Second, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles the power and authority to carry out His work. "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven."(Matthew 16:19; 18:18) "Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you retain, they are retained."(John 20:23)

Third, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles commands as to what that work should be. At the last supper, He commanded, "Do this in memory of Me." (Luke 22:19) He commanded them to "Make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19), and to "Go into the whole world and proclaim the Gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15)

The early Church was structured in a hierarchical manner as it is today. We see in Acts, chapter 15 how the apostles and the elders came together under the leadership of St. Peter to decide the question of what was required of Gentiles. We also see how St. Peter was regarded as the head of the Church when St. Paul, "Went up to Jerusalem to confer with Kephas [Peter] and remained with him fifteen days." (Galatians 1:18) There is no Scriptural evidence of independent local churches.

The Catholic Church is the only church that can claim to have been founded by Christ personally. Every other church traces its lineage back to a mere human person such as Martin Luther or John Wesley. The Catholic Church can trace its lineage back to Jesus Christ who appointed St. Peter as the first pope. This line of popes has continued unbroken for almost 2,000 years.

God rules, instructs and sanctifies His people through His Church. Under her teaching office, the Catholic Church preserves the Word of God. She is the custodian, keeper, dispenser and interpreter of teachings of Christ. And she accomplishes this under the protection of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ Established a Visible, Heirarchical and Authoritative Church On Earth and it was Catholic.



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#485445 Oct 26, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
These two Priests didn't disagree on the title of the Church. Its Catholic. They disagreed on the origin of Roman and whether its the rite or diocese of Rome thats behind the label. Big difference. It really doesn't matter enough to be a major disagreement.
I too grew up and attended a Roman Catholic Church. I too assumed that was the official title of the Church. The how's and why's don't matter until you're cornered by a fundie and forced to identify yourself.
The real title of the Church creates many problems for them. They'll pace back and forth scratching their heads, looking for ways around this new obstacle. They'll do the only thing they can do. Ignore it and continue sayin Roman Roman Roman Roman.
Rose, don't be like the fundie.
Why is it a problem that you don't like to be associated with Rome in the first place? It IS the headquarters of your church isn't it(see my previous post on it)?
truth

Mandurah, Australia

#485446 Oct 26, 2013
why abraham need blessing..did they curse themself to underground gods of darkness..

see

why need blessing
if they are righteousness then why they need blessing..

asked yourself
why jesus walked there
who liked kill jesus
who don't like righteousness
who is trhsty over righteousness

why people produce weapens and new tehnology and restore..yee then blame others
yee

then who is wrong

because of error from your forefathers and your leaders many ordinary will be target
see target
see words
action reaction
see symbols of that where who why

poor detectiva=strijelac astrology
see air=astro

no no astrology as.tro=3 log y
asimetric
astrology

be good not go against ordinary people who ever they are
find error
who try destroy=see destiny=destroy
not destroy
see
natural destiny is deference
then destroy
each people within have biological oclock=heart

see symbol heart=zirafa=africa=cifra=broj =numbers
0123456789
be good
not place exist on this planet where can't with new tehnology touch
no people not nation..no

be good

no any paralel system..
noooooooooooooooooo

its as in within

see inat=prkos as anger
see words
inat=in;at in within

be good
be good
be good

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Since: Aug 08

New Year

#485447 Oct 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope! Gerald Gardner ... the father of Wicca has a great sense of awareness now that he croaked and is in the spirit world waiting to choose the right body into which to incarnate.
He passes a lot of the information on to me as truth, and I don't question it either, as he knows souls in high places that could make life even worse for me than is already the case.
:)
Right .. okie dokie..it was Robert Feingold me he saw you. A couple of weeks before I saw your name on the game board ..

God loves you June

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Since: Aug 08

New Year

#485448 Oct 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
Jesus Christ Established a Visible, Hierarchical and Authoritative Church On Earth, with Bishops, Priests, Elders and Deacons---Acts 2
Every Christian believes that Jesus Christ established and sustains a community of faith, hope and love for all believers. This community we call His Church. The Church that Christ founded is the Catholic Church which has a formal earthly structure established by Christ and which continues under His authority and protection.
In the Old Testament we see God's continual involvement in the lives of the Israelites through appointed prophets. God delivered, instructed and admonished the Israelites. He made His motions in a visible, specific and formal way. He always did so through human hands, mouths, feet, minds and wills. God established a law and a means for executing it.
In concert with His redemptive act, Jesus did three things that established the framework of His Church. First, He chose humans to carry out His work. He appointed Peter to be the visible head of the Church. Jesus said to Peter, "You are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church." (Matthew 16: 18) Jesus said "build," as in to create a structure. Jesus built His structure on specifically chosen human beings Peter and the apostles.
Second, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles the power and authority to carry out His work. "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven."(Matthew 16:19; 18:18) "Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you retain, they are retained."(John 20:23)
Third, Jesus gave Peter and the apostles commands as to what that work should be. At the last supper, He commanded, "Do this in memory of Me." (Luke 22:19) He commanded them to "Make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19), and to "Go into the whole world and proclaim the Gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15)
The early Church was structured in a hierarchical manner as it is today. We see in Acts, chapter 15 how the apostles and the elders came together under the leadership of St. Peter to decide the question of what was required of Gentiles. We also see how St. Peter was regarded as the head of the Church when St. Paul, "Went up to Jerusalem to confer with Kephas [Peter] and remained with him fifteen days." (Galatians 1:18) There is no Scriptural evidence of independent local churches.
The Catholic Church is the only church that can claim to have been founded by Christ personally. Every other church traces its lineage back to a mere human person such as Martin Luther or John Wesley. The Catholic Church can trace its lineage back to Jesus Christ who appointed St. Peter as the first pope. This line of popes has continued unbroken for almost 2,000 years.
God rules, instructs and sanctifies His people through His Church. Under her teaching office, the Catholic Church preserves the Word of God. She is the custodian, keeper, dispenser and interpreter of teachings of Christ. And she accomplishes this under the protection of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ Established a Visible, Heirarchical and Authoritative Church On Earth and it was Catholic.
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And the Orthodox??

For that matter ..Luther and even the English Bishops in Henry's time were ordained in your CC...THUS,could ordain others ...give sacraments etc .

THE WORD...JESUS CHRIST traces back to Jesus
truth

Mandurah, Australia

#485449 Oct 26, 2013
you say
hocus pokus=tric
see asimetric

hocus pokus=zec as rabbat
hello ms albright
eci peci pec ti si mali zec

sense
ear nos eye
zec=rabbat=ear

long ear as you see my describe two fingers over graveyards as you see two shape as snail=sloth
read sea on map
see geometric map..
see
prahistoric names
animals birds fish tree flora fauna flowers grass and so on..

see

see snail=represent sloth $lot.8
see crome age see mongol basin
see on map direction geometric direction from read sea toward mongolia..
not look people nothing to do with ordinary people no
not hurt people

look basin as early age of creation our planet
look iner in each basin

look geometric projection..ordinary people did not know..no
not hurt people
no

look how you going damage each other
everything what one used others can too..

look properly
because of that
everyone watching everyone
but not hurt ordinary people

those who is wrong as they know they are they going used against ordinary people to defended themself but hurts others does meter who or belong to any people..

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#485450 Oct 26, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes the Bishop of Rome is head of the Universal Church. No, the Bishop of Rome (Pope) does not refer to the Church as the Roman Catholic Church.
If you were like Rose and I and grew up with the Roman rite Mass, and you perhaps visited Minneapolis and wanted to attend Mass on Sunday, you'd Google "Roman Catholic Churches" and a list of Catholic Churches will pop up who adhere to the Roman rite. Like Saint Agnes Church in St Paul.
If you were Turkish or Greek and visited Minneapolis and wanted to attend mass on Sunday, you'd probably Google "Byzantine Catholic Church" and a list of Byzantine Churches would pop up. Like Saint John the Baptist in Minneapolis.
Saint John is not a Roman Catholic Church. They still recognize the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, but to call them Roman Catholic would be incorrect, they are Byzantine Catholic.
Saint John and Saint Agnes are not separated Catholic Churches. They just have different adjectives describing the same exact Church.
Hope that helps.
I understand what you are saying, but your hierarchy does refer to the organization "both" ways...I am having difficulty understanding your urgency in "removing" yourself from it.
truth

Mandurah, Australia

#485452 Oct 26, 2013
i have someone who is sick..not to understood..no
i have to go from this house who practising previouse and live here wicket are around me
i know that you read
i know who try hurt me deeply they read too
yeeee

lips in nice suits

as you can read
others know
your law is not exist
noooooo

not any law exist

its very easy push and spit ant biten and false witness for anyone
but

roots are evil spirit
every spirit is not holy
see

it is wrotten
war in heaven

yee as well on earth too

now

why i have to trust or srespect anyone..
please tell me
if someone nice speak
or nice dress they are good
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo

now

its easy descover all of you
but much more worse coming in future
o yee on very nice way
with nice lips and nice talk
one click

byyyyyyyyyyyyy

n

are you for sure i am wrong

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo

you can fins everything

please tell me
whats deference 69 and 96 or extra number 2..
aa you are fib ichhhhh

did youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuu

ohoho ho santa closooooooooooooooooooo

why you need ice age

which side you liked transform

ho ho mr and mrs cicmich
chimney

be good

i see that you see

by

n
truth

Mandurah, Australia

#485453 Oct 26, 2013
i will remove myself very soon..i don't liked computers no
no
i am not expert..but as you se describe everything going into correction..
its easy implemented much more like never before
then good by

i don't liked myself in position no

by

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#485454 Oct 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Liam " <quoted text>
You just proved that the word of God is not confined to documented writings. So why do you only follow the written word of God and dismiss the oral word of God?(2thess 2:15)
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And who is to judge WHICH oral word is of God? That would open the door to lots of kooks to declare that their word is of God.
Yes, I know that there are already lots of kooks who do that. THAT is why we need the Bible.
KayMarie
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Tradition: a precept; specially, the Jewish traditionary law:--ordinance, tradition.

To my knowledge...no Catholic nor Protestant follow the Jewish traditionary law..

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#485456 Oct 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow" <quoted text>
There is no cure for your problem!!!
Torah: The first five books of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Christ built His church, which is Christianity, hundreds of years after the Torah was....it is first referenced in Joshua....
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Jesus many times did or said something, "so that the scripture might be fulfilled".
When His turn came to read the scriptures in the Temple, He read from ISAIAH.
He fulfilled over 300 prophesies from the O.T. concerning Himself.
KayMarie
He also referred to Scripture not found in the Torah nor any other part of the OT....

Mt 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Lu 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

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#485457 Oct 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
Dear Father
Another week gone .. I pray for my family and all families of people here .
For health ..healing ..And spiritual regeneration...And GENERATION in The hearts,of lived one's who do not acknowledge you .
I pray for less animosity in the world ..in our country And on this board ..
That differences need not generate hatred ..or UN Christian sentiments ..
Please,bless,US,all ..Believer and,Non believer alike,
In Jesus,name AMEN
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

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Since: Aug 08

New Year

#485458 Oct 26, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that a direct threat?
What are you afraid of?
You have been the one perpetrating defamation here...so own it.
Hypocrite!
Sera Is the least stalking or harassing person here .

..insulting people ..or following them or dragging things,from.one forum.to another ...That is harassing and,stalking..

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#485459 Oct 26, 2013
HuskerDu wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe this will help her What does "catholic" mean?
830 The word "catholic" means "universal," in the sense of "according to the totality" or "in keeping with the whole." the Church is catholic in a double sense: First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her. "Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church."307 In her subsists the fullness of Christ's body united with its head; this implies that she receives from him "the fullness of the means of salvation"308 which he has willed: correct and complete confession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession. the Church was, in this fundamental sense, catholic on the day of Pentecost309 and will always be so until the day of the Parousia.
831 Secondly, the Church is catholic because she has been sent out by Christ on a mission to the whole of the human race:310
All men are called to belong to the new People of God. This People, therefore, while remaining one and only one, is to be spread throughout the whole world and to all ages in order that the design of God's will may be fulfilled: he made human nature one in the beginning and has decreed that all his children who were scattered should be finally gathered together as one.... the character of universality which adorns the People of God is a gift from the Lord himself whereby the Catholic Church ceaselessly and efficaciously seeks for the return of all humanity and all its goods, under Christ the Head in the unity of his Spirit.311
Each particular Church is "catholic"
Love it!!!! You are calling your pope a liar!!!

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#485460 Oct 26, 2013
Tango Bravo wrote:
<quoted text>
I take your response as a convincing indication that your belief system has nothing beneficial to offer. Talk to Oxbow. You'll enjoy each other's company and interests.
Stick to what you do best...give your husband the joy you say he deserves...don't forget to floss afterwards...

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#485461 Oct 26, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
The Church didn't change from Roman to something else. The official name was never Roman Catholic Church. Roman is an adjective describing the diocese of Rome and the rite. If you grew up in the West, you most likely belonged to the diocese of Rome.(but now a days that's not always the case). Don't you remember the Roman missal with the Roman Mass??
This is why it makes zero sense when fundamentals try to pass the Roman Catholic Church off as a separate body.'the Whore of Babylon' also makes zero sense. Fundamental arguments that the ROMAN Catholic Church corrupted Christianity and the ROMAN Catholic Church banned the Bible and the ROMAN Catholic Church deviated from the word of God. Roman Roman Roman Roman. Lol
What about the Maronite Catholic? Orthodox Catholic? Syrian, Oriental, Ethiopian, Ukrainian, Coptic Catholic??
Like Roman, those are adjectives describing the same Church, the Catholic Church.
"wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
Ignatius of Antioch, 100 AD
451

There is no cure....

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#485462 Oct 26, 2013
#78. The Pharisee and the Tax Collector (Luke 18:9-14)
by Dr. Ralph F. Wilson
Luke 18:9-14
[9] To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable:[10] "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.[11] The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself:'God, I thank you that I am not like other men -- robbers, evildoers, adulterers -- or even like this tax collector.[12] I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
[13] "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said,'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
[14] "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
Exposition
If you think that looking down on others was exclusively a First Century phenomenon, think again. This parable speaks loud and clear to Twenty-First Century churches. Listen for what Jesus says to us disciples.
Self-Righteousness (18:9-10)
"To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable:'Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.' " (18:9-10)
Luke precedes the parable by naming its intended target. The first characteristic is "confident of their own righteousness." The word translated "confident" (NIV) or "trusting in" (KJV) is Greek peitho, which can mean variously, "convince, persuade, depend on, trust in, be convinced, certain."[1] "Righteousness" is Greek dikaios, "pertaining to being in accordance with high standards of rectitude,'upright, just, fair.' "[2]
Holiness churches are filled with people who are scrupulous in their observance of a rigid menu of moral standards. So are evangelical and mainline churches, Pentecostals and Catholics, Orthodox and Seventh Day Adventists. In each of our denominations there are sincere, God-fearing people who are careful to obey God as they understand his laws.
In Jesus' day the Pharisees were the strict Jews. They believed. They were disciplined. They took the Law seriously -- so seriously, in fact, that they created a "hedge" around the law, the Oral Law, with the idea that if they kept the rules of the Oral Law (the tradition of the elders), then they wouldn't break the Mosaic Law.
We too, have our "hedge" around the law. At various times and in various churches there have been rules against open-toed shoes, sleeveless dresses, slacks for women, mixed bathing, not genuflecting before the host, abstaining from wine and hard liquor, beards, smoking, drugs (but not herbs and pharmaceuticals), lack of beards, lack of head coverings, eating pork, eating any meat, drinking caffinated drinks (coffee, but hot chocolate is okay)-- have I forgotten any important ones?:-) You get the idea. None of these is stipulated clearly in the scripture, but each comes from a desire to please God and avoid godless ways.
And there's nothing wrong with rules. Each family has to have family rules. Each church needs to have family rules, too. It's a requirement of any human organization. We just need to keep our rules in perspective, and realize that they are not necessarily God's rules, but derivatives of God's rules.
A problem arises, however, when we are "confident in our own righteousness" or "trust in" our own righteousness to save us and justify us before God. When we move from righteous living -- which is right -- to trusting in that righteous living to give us a standing before God, then we commit a fatal error. In that case it becomes self-righteousness.
Looking Down on Others (18:9-10)
But when we begin to take pride in our own righteous behavior, it's very easy to look down on those who don't behave this way as morally inferior ...

We shouldn't

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