Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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What language were the Romans speaking?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the...

But they might have used Aramaic in Judea ..as well as the Greek or Latin.

He,as tax collector ..made official records ..
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<quoted text>the Jews believe in only the OT, while the Christians believe in all of it, and the catholics don't believe in any of it.
You know what? I say you are all wrong, and I am not afraid to say so.

I need evidence to make something true. When 3 groups who all use the so called EXACT SAME INSPIRED words of God all disagree with its meanings tells you what?.........its BUSTED!

Believe what you want, I don't live by FEAR.

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<quoted text>the Jews believe in only the OT, while the Christians believe in all of it, and the catholics don't believe in any of it.
Lol.

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Catholics have their own interpretations, Protestants their interpretations, and Jews their own interpretations.
How can a group of books be classified non-fiction, if we can't have agreement of all the meanings?
BUSTED!
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Why would ANY loving God create people who are destined to HELL?

........makes no common sense.

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Philip, Bartholemew, Andrew preached the word of God. Orally. They did not pass out the letters of Paul to the folks and say, "this is the word of God, read it, meditate, and the Holy Spirit will figure it out for you"
They set up the Church, Rose. The Universal Church with one faith and one fold. They taught the Mass and ordained Bishops and Priests to perform it. This is sacred tradition.
The New Testament is not a Book, its a Sacrament. You do not read it, you eat it.
During the time of Jesus on earth there was a Bible....Jesus read from it....how many times do you see "it is written":
Jos 8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
2Sa 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.){of Jasher: or, of the upright}
1Ki 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:{prosper: or, do wisely}
2Ki 23:21 And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the LORD your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant.
2Ch 23:18 Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the LORD by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the LORD, to offer the burnt offerings of the LORD, as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David.{as it was...: Heb. by the hands of David}
2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.
2Ch 31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the LORD.
2Ch 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.
Ezr 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.{Jeshua: also called, Joshua}{Zerubbabel: Gr. Zorobabel}{Shealtiel: Gr. Salathiel}
Ezr 3:4 They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; {as the duty...: Heb. the matter of the day in his day}
Ezr 6:18 And they set the priests in their divisions, and the Levites in their courses, for the service of God, which is at Jerusalem; as it is written in the book of Moses.{as it is...: Chaldee, according to the writing}
Ne 8:15 And that they should publish and proclaim in all their cities, and in Jerusalem, saying, Go forth unto the mount, and fetch olive branches, and pine branches, and myrtle branches, and palm branches, and branches of thick trees, to make booths, as it is written.
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Why do so many on this forum actually believe they have an edge over everyone else?

Born by chance into a particular belief system, gives you the right to tell others they are wrong because they weren't born by chance into your system?

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Probably more applicable to people who read the English translation while ignoring the interpretations of those who were taught by the ones who wrote and preached it.
Yeah well ... we would all like to believe we understand the old languages ... but I believe they were as confused as is English.

Humans never could see eye to eye on the meanings of words ... no matter which language.
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General semanticists know it is hard to make the average person realize that he brings meaning to the word, that the word does not contain any meaning.

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Ne 10:34 And we cast the lots among the priests, the Levites, and the people, for the wood offering, to bring it into the house of our God, after the houses of our fathers, at times appointed year by year, to burn upon the altar of the LORD our God, as it is written in the law:
Ne 10:36 Also the firstborn of our sons, and of our cattle, as it is written in the law, and the firstlings of our herds and of our flocks, to bring to the house of our God, unto the priests that minister in the house of our God:
Ps 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Isa 65:6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
Da 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.{made...: Heb. intreated we not the face of the, etc}
Mt 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mt 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.{tempt: or, try, or, put to trial, or, proof}
Mt 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mt 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Mt 26:31 ¶ Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Mr 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mr 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mr 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mr 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
Mr 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Mr 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.{offended: or, scandalized, or, shall stumble}
Lu 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
Lu 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Lu 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Lu 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

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Why would ANY loving God create people who are destined to HELL?
........makes no common sense.
Of course it doesn't make sense ... but nothing in religion makes sense.

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Lu 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
Lu 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Lu 19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Lu 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 12:14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
Ac 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.{bishoprick: or, office, or, charge}
Ac 7:42 ¶ Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
Ac 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Ac 23:5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.
Ro 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Ro 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Ro 4:17 ¶(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.{before him: or, like unto him}
Ro 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Ro 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

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Ro 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.{ashamed: or confounded}
Ro 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Ro 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.{slumber: or, remorse}
Ro 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Ro 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Ro 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Ro 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Ro 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
Ro 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 14:21 ¶ In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
2Co 8:15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Ga 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Ga 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Heb 10:7 ¶ Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
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Why do so many on this forum actually believe they have an edge over everyone else?
Born by chance into a particular belief system, gives you the right to tell others they are wrong because they weren't born by chance into your system?
UNBELIEVABLE
It should be unbelievable ... but unfortunately to most of the world's population, it is quite believable.
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Thought the Empire spoke Greek..But really don't know for sure ..
However he could have known more than one language ..written in both ..been translated ???
Anthony
I was not getting into the ROCK argument ..he COUKD have written in both languages ...
He,wrote ..whenever it was ...during and/or after Jesus ascended ..
While he was preaching ...on a sabbatical ..He wrote ..
Many spoke Greek also, however, the Roman language was Latin. There are no historians who would suggest the possibility that they even started writing the gospels until the 60's AD. Why is it so important for you to believe they were immediately running around sharing NT scripture passages with everyone?
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Wow. Seriously? What would we do without you guys. Your summary of Matt 28:19, where Jesus is talking to His Disciples: "this applies to the born again Christians all over the world".
One small step for man. One giant leap for Chuck. That's great.
"teach them all that I have commanded you"
»»Except the Mass, Confession, Baptism, the Sacramental Priesthood and the Holy Eucharist. Other than that, teach them everything else. No wait.'some of you write letters and let the future born again movement figure it out. Don't verbally teach them, write it down and in a thousand yrs, it'll be published in a book'««
Clay,

What is so hard to understand in verse Matt 28:19???

In spite of being scattered by persecution, the early Christians "went about teaching the Word of God."

2 Timothy 2:2

2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

Why can't we as disciples accomplish this task???

"Making disciples" involves three things, Clay???

What are the three things???

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Just think of all the catholics on this forum who told their spouses after their last child was born. NO MORE SEX FOR YOU!
My doctor says we think about sex many times a day. Again, too bad for the catholics, who MUST do what they are told.
I suggest they never did what they were told. They just told the priest what the priest expected to hear and if the men in the hierarchy were pleased, it made it much easier on the followers.

Probably many men had anal sex with their wives in order to avoid having more children. I know had I lived back then, I would have preferred anal sex over having to continually be pregnant, to in turn please the men of the church.
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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Yeah well ... we would all like to believe we understand the old languages ... but I believe they were as confused as is English.
Humans never could see eye to eye on the meanings of words ... no matter which language.
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General semanticists know it is hard to make the average person realize that he brings meaning to the word, that the word does not contain any meaning.
1) Renound world Hebrew and Greek religious translators disagree on bible meanings.

2) World theologens disagree with each other on the meanings of the conflicting doctrines.

When the most educated religious people in the world can't agree on what the meanings are in the bible..........it has to be BUSTED! yet the posters on this forum with NO RELIGIOUS EDUCATION or SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE all seem to believe they know the right answers.(lol)

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They will spout the standard Christian lies AKA apologetics.
They believe the pagan religion of Emperor Constantine, nothing more.
LOL, apparently so! I see you have tried before me. oh well,*sigh*

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Oxbow wrote:
Do you honestly believe that you can continue to fool your self by trying to fool others?

Anyone with common sense would understand (within theological rhetoric) that Jesus would have come to earth to say "Stop being unfaithful to Judaism. Follow me and I will teach the way, the truth and the light. None can come unto my Father Jehovah, unless they become Jews ... in the purest sense of the WORD!"

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1) Renound world Hebrew and Greek religious translators disagree on bible meanings.
2) World theologens disagree with each other on the meanings of the conflicting doctrines.
When the most educated religious people in the world can't agree on what the meanings are in the bible..........it has to be BUSTED! yet the posters on this forum with NO RELIGIOUS EDUCATION or SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE all seem to believe they know the right answers.(lol)
UNBELIEVABLE!
They won't see what they don't have any desire TO see.

At all costs to their own consciences ... right-fighters in religions always demand to be right.

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