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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#483391 Oct 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who=" Anthony MN" <quoted text>
God's Word is not limited to ink and paper.
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Of course God can speak (I've heard Him), but the things we hear must be weighed BY IT IS WRITTEN.
A woman once told me that Jesus came to her room and hung His off-white robe on her bed, and spent time with her.:(
Wouldn't the world and the devil play with THAT 'word'!!!
Better learn to check out what you hear...
KayMarie
Well Kay, I do check what I hear. I check with those who were taught by the apostles and those they taught. Do you think I should be checking with you or your husband instead? Why does he or you have more authority than they had?

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#483393 Oct 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Tango Bravo" Would someone please help me understand "Sola Scriptura"? What are the sources/justifications of this approach to theology?
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Bible scholars compiled the Bible, after having concluded that the books enclosed were reliable. Sola scripture says that one needs to judge other writings/teachings BY THE BIBLE.
Many people write their opinions, but those opinions are not necessarily reliable.
There are many GOOD writings, by reliable Christians...SS does not infer that NO writings are trustworthy...just believes that those writings must agree with "IT IS WRITTEN".
KayMarie
Perfect, Kaye.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#483394 Oct 19, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
I immediately clarified that I did think the other Apostles could read and write. But the fact that they didn't, is proof that Jesus Christ never instructed the Apostles to create a Christian Bible. They did a the Lord commanded and set up the hierarchy. And no, Jesus didn't promise that he'd removed sin or sinful impulses of the ordained. He promised that He would be with them til the end of time. This means they do not error when speaking on faith and morals.
"where ever the Bishop appears, there let the people be, as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to Baptize or give Communion with out the consent of the Bishop. Therefore whatever has his approval is pleasing to God, thus will be safe and valid"
Ignatius of Antioch
Pope Francis is the Bishop. Jesus will not allow him to error when teaching on faith and morals.
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YOU WROTE

Pope Francis is the Bishop. Jesus will not allow him to error when teaching on faith and morals.

YOU ARE OF ALL MEN... MOST GULLIBLE....

HERE IS WHAT THE APOSTLE PAUL WROTE ABOUT PETER

Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat,(whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me:

===> God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: <===

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

NOTE
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John,-->who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Gal 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#483395 Oct 19, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>what I find troubling is the Fact that I shouldn't have to defend myself nor my decision regarding marge, from people who claim to be Christian on this forum.
But that again is what the Bible teaches us.
Jesus will and does know us by our [fruits].
and when Jesus walks by me, I want my tree to be pleasing to him, and not cursed ,because of my withered dried up figs.
Preston,your Christian love,prayers and friendship along with many other here, Christians and non- Christians,(there are so many I can not name you all,but you know who you are)have had a huge impact on Nick and myself. Knowing you have a strong relationship with people who really do care for you is priceless.In many ways you all have added to our lives and we are forever grateful. We have learned from each and everyone one of you....now for Clay, I have to respond to the not defending ourselves,it is far better to understand and know where the other persons is coming from before putting the effort into a reply.If that persons intentions are bad, then by us replying draws us into that persons sin. So it is far better not to reply. you call it defending, we call it humility...I must admit that I have failed in this department far to many times. But at least I know my short comings and admit them and try to change them....as we are All humans we must each look at ourselves before pointing any fingers. No one is perfect.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#483396 Oct 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The Word of God is not the bible alone. Faith comes by hearing and not by reading and making private judgement of the meaning of scripture alone.
You need to read what is said
fact is ..it say exactly opposite from what you have posted..
it says..
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Rightly dividing the word of truth,...is
making private judgement of the meaning of scripture alone, by the leadership and guidance of the HOLY GHOST...
JESUS SAID
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
NOTE
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS GLORIFY AND SERVE YOUR sin infested
religious institution,
instead of JESUS, AND WORSHIP THE SUPPORTING ACTORS IN THE DRAMA...
PLACING THEM ABOVE... OR UPON THE SAME LEVEL ,,,AS JESUS
Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?
WHEN YOU god Peter placed MOSES AND ELIJAH UPON THE SAME LEVEL AS JESUS
GOD THE FATHER REBUKED HIM..
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE NO REVERENCE OF FEAR OF GOD...
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Again, thanks for your opinion. St. Paul was writing to St. Timothy, an ordained Bishop in the Catholic Church (he wasn't writing to you), and he was referring to the OT, not the NT, as it had yet to be written. Sadly the divisions in protestantism, where competing denominations all say they are led by the Holy Spirit, prove that your opinions are no more authoritative than anyone one else. For the umpteenth time confrint, what is your authority? How can anyone know you speak for God when a competing protestant community down the street who disagrees with you also claims to be led by the Holy Spirit?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#483397 Oct 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Kay, I do check what I hear. I check with those who were taught by the apostles and those they taught. Do you think I should be checking with you or your husband instead? Why does he or you have more authority than they had?
By now you should be able to check the Bible for yourself to see if what you hear is such.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#483398 Oct 19, 2013
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat,(whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me:

===> God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: <===

yep

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#483399 Oct 19, 2013
who="Oxbow" <quoted text>
So does mine!!! But...it does not teach that Christ is God....
I am; this denotes eternal self-existence. As Jesus Christ is truly and eternally divine, his kindness, compassion, and grace, in coming into the world, taking upon him human nature, and dying upon the cross, surpass all finite comprehension, and lay upon all to whom he is revealed unspeakable obligations to love and obey him.

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In other words: GOD.

"Thought it not robbery'...did not consider it theft to be equal with God.

KM
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#483400 Oct 19, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
By now you should be able to check the Bible for yourself to see if what you hear is such.
What do you say to a born again evangelical biblical scholar who says you're wrong in your opinions about the meaning of scripture? How should one view Preston's opinion of you and your discernment abilities?
Liam

Detroit, MI

#483401 Oct 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU WROTE
Pope Francis is the Bishop. Jesus will not allow him to error when teaching on faith and morals.
YOU ARE OF ALL MEN... MOST GULLIBLE....
HERE IS WHAT THE APOSTLE PAUL WROTE ABOUT PETER
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat,(whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me:
===> God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: <===
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
NOTE
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John,-->who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Yeah Confrint, Jesus doesn't allow untruths into His Ministry. If Pope Francis attempted to introduce strange doctrines, he'd be rebuked by the other Bishops. It has happened before in the history of the Catholic Church. I can't remember at the moment which Pope was rebuked. Jesus protects the Popes chair from error.

I don't really know why you have a problem with this since you believe Jesus protects YOU from error. Is it jealously? Bitterness?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#483402 Oct 19, 2013
who="RoSesz" <quoted text>
Yes,Kay I do ..
I actually try to figure things,out ..my early learning..later bible learning ...most if it is NOT differing ...until some,people cast doubt
Trying to put down the,words,written ...And about Mary ..mysteries ..we will know the truth of ...And I don't argue about ..or try not to .
The teaching about a who ,Jesus,is,are the same I learned as a Child in the CHURCH...it's,how,we become HIS,that is,different ...yet if we,read and understand is,the, same,..or should be .
DID HE,DRINK thE CUP..TAKING ALL SIN..taking on our punishment WE deserve .
or must we,take it on ourselves,..doing penance ...
WAS HIS,BLOOD ENOUGH HAVING BEEN SHED TO SATISFY HOLY JUSTICE.
If not ..how,much Penance ..for a,lie . For murder ....age,old,difference between us,I am seeing ..
I have read,about thE poor persecuted folks,with fragments,of bibles,..God bless them ...And I believe as,I have posted ...it was,GOD'S...doing and,timing that the,WORD in the bible
Went forth ...coming to each settlement in America
No coincidence in he timing ..
If God's,willing it HIS calling can be accomplished IN ANY VENUE HE SEES,FIT ...a book ..a,fragment ..tv..internet ..a neighbor planting a,seed ...
And I really get disillusioned by the putting down of the importance of HIS,WORD ..
I KNOW,I sound flip even I allude to the monk in he basement ..I am not putting down His,words,just the ideas,put forth
That they belong o the,RCC..or they mean les s tan word of mouth ..it the,apostles did not hAve the education to write them. Or Jesus,told them make a CATHOLUC CHURCH but not to write .
They are,either the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD written for ALL POSTERITY by those who knew,Him ...left to us,as Gifts,for HE,Great Commisssion
Or they belong in that basement ...
And we can only know,God by joining an institution and having secrets
Whispered only for those who conform ..to ROME ..
I cannot begin to explain how,disconcerting this,is,.
I really thought our differences,..Cath and non CATH were in rituals,
As long as,we,worship the same,Lord .
I choose o believe my Lord,lived me enough to take my sins,and yours,o that CROSS...
HE wants,all to come,to Him ...caves,...prairies,...cities ,..He,sent His,word by inspiration ..so we,would know,Him..
More important HE SENT HIS,SON TO TAKE OUR SINS,TO CALVARY ..IN OUR PLACE ....
thanks,for asking the question KAY ....God bless you both

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Great post, Roseez. I am happy that you have found Him, and the power that is in His Word.
One could inflict all sorts of pain on themselves, and it would not atone for even the smallest sin. Only His innocent blood could do that. Even in the temple sacrifice, the lamb had to be perfect, and it had to be offered perfectly, and so the LAMB offered for us was perfect, and perfectly offered. He loved us enough to willingly offer Himself for us.

His sacrifice is enough. He Himself said that, "It is finished." There is no more that anyone can do. Our part of the Covenant is to BELIEVE that His part is sufficient.

Some fuss about the 'works' part, but if we TRULY believe, our heart is changed, then our behavior is changed to good works.

Blessings to all...
KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#483403 Oct 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU WROTE
Pope Francis is the Bishop. Jesus will not allow him to error when teaching on faith and morals.
YOU ARE OF ALL MEN... MOST GULLIBLE....
HERE IS WHAT THE APOSTLE PAUL WROTE ABOUT PETER
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat,(whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me:
===> God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: <===
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
NOTE
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John,-->who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
~~~

GOD WILL NOT VIOLATE THE FREE WILL OF ANY MAN.

Just because a man is appointed to a position to usurp the position of the HOLY SPIRIT in Rome Italy...

Does not mean that the HOLY GHOST WILL STEP DOWN AND CEDE HIS POSITION TO HIM,,,

JESUS said of

THE HOLY GHOST...The third person of the GODHEAD ..

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Joh 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

Pope Francis......IS NOT THE HOLY GHOST..

HE HAS NO BUSINESS IN ATTEMPTING TO guide ANYONE into all truth:

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

NOTE
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,


Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

NOTE
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and

served the creature (THE POPE ) more than the Creator,(GOD) who is blessed for ever. Amen.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#483404 Oct 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you say to a born again evangelical biblical scholar who says you're wrong in your opinions about the meaning of scripture? How should one view Preston's opinion of you and your discernment abilities?
We all say our piece Anthony and we all back what we say with Scripture, it's up to every person individually to decide whether someone is speaking the truth or not.

Study to show 'yourself' approved.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#483405 Oct 19, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I guess that according to some of these, I am [wrong] by trying to do [right].
I still will do what I think is RIGHT, and especially if I can back it up by "Sola Scripture".
Serious question here preston; If I exchanged nice emails with you, offered prayers for your grandchildren, expressed gratitude for your biblical wisdom, etc., would you consider me a Christian even though I remained firm in my Catholic beliefs?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#483406 Oct 19, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Perfect, Kaye.
The issue I have with her post is that she doesn't realize who the "biblical scholars" were and what their beliefs were....
marge

Leesburg, GA

#483407 Oct 19, 2013
of course Jesus says you must be born-again to 'see the kingdom of heaven'.

or the Truth.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#483408 Oct 19, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
We all say our piece Anthony and we all back what we say with Scripture, it's up to every person individually to decide whether someone is speaking the truth or not.
Study to show 'yourself' approved.
So if preston says he speaks the truth about you and backs it up with scripture, and you disagree with him by using scripture, how does one know who's right? You both claim to be led by the Holy Spirit. If I read the scriptures you reference and decide he's right, how can I know for sure? What if my decision is wrong?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#483409 Oct 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you say to a born again evangelical biblical scholar who says you're wrong in your opinions about the meaning of scripture? How should one view Preston's opinion of you and your discernment abilities?
Anthony, you are taking her attitude and comparing it to her comprehension of the word of God. they are not what we are standing against(discernment) and you know that.

always, I have stood for Truth and what is right, this time has been no exception

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#483410 Oct 19, 2013
who="Black Thunder 42" <quoted text>
Those "writings" he was referring to (such as the book of Jasher) is not even included in the bible.
There is some good example of the deceit of corrupted "priests".

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What makes you think that He was referring to Jasher? He said,'scriptures'...not 'Jasher'. It might not even have been available to them.

HE said that the Holy Ghost would bring to their remembrance the things that He told them. So the Holy Ghost can also bring to our remembrance what He wishes us to know.

Don't refuse Him...
KayMarie
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#483411 Oct 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no mystery of Christ...you are grasping at straw...
It pertains to the revelation of a mystery that for ages had been
hidden.

If you want to understand the mystery of Christ, you must read it.

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