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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#483213 Oct 18, 2013
Ill try again LOL You said Caths gave people the Bible. Are you disputing you said that?
I said pride is the root of all sin. Are you disputing that?
Whew!!!!! That took 3 posts
Liam

Detroit, MI

#483214 Oct 18, 2013
Richie T wrote:
<quoted text>I know the dogma and teachings of the RCC. Was Catholic and sat in Catechism classes for 8 years. And I know the Bible even better.
You either believe It or the RCC, for they are in direct opposition to each other.
You don't know it. If you knew the Catholic Church, you'd know that they established the Bible. They held a council and their Bishops determined a set canon. Their monks hand copied the Books for 1400 yrs and finally, the Catholic Church printed the Bible, thus giving the world printed copy of their sacred scriptures so people like you can turn around and stab them in the back with it.
Jesus established a Church, He did not establish a list of Books that He wished to dictate His Ministry.

Now, if you could avoid those silly fanatical websites that claim this Church murdered 50 million people and tortured protestants for fun, you'll be right back in the fullness of the Eucharist. Do you remember the Eucharist? Jesus said unless you eat the flesh of the son of Man, you have no life if you. He did not say,'unless you eat the 66 Books of the KJV, you have no life if you'.

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#483215 Oct 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Repeating your DITTO gossip as you have here... GETS OLD AFTER A WHILE..
Especially since I have no connection with the person you are attempting to defame...
Is she your husbands first wife? Is that why you wish she has never died?
Gossip can take many turns in several different directions don't you know?
Don't like do you. Its your founder Gif/KM... this is who you follow.
Jesus founded our Church, live with it.

Know what get old? YOU.

You attack and I will defend, your style.

You wrote.
"is she your husband first wife"

LOL, too funny is that all you have?

One husband, One wife per lifetime, right. Obviously the founder of your church didn't follow Scripture!

Did you forget you told us you are 'penticostal'?
Be nice and I'll be nice, otherwise expect the same.
confrinting with the word wrote:
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THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE SCRIPTURES..
ALL HISTORY AND INFORMATION CONCERNING IT'S LEGITIMACY IS CONJURED UP BY
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC (so called ) CHURCH ITSELF..
The OLD TESTAMENT prophets are silent ...
Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
IT ATTEMPTS TO ASSUME INTO THE SCRIPTURES...THAT WHICH IS NOT A PART OF THE BLOOD COVENANT OF JESUS...

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#483216 Oct 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Neither are biblical precepts.
Sola Scriptura, theoretically, can exist within a church tradition. Solo Scriptura cannot, and is an express rejection of tradition and/or ecclesial structure.
Sola Scriptura is Bible first,also accepting other sources that are consistent with Scripture, such as Tradition, Councils, etc. That describes the Catholic Church according to that definition. However we say in others today use Sola Scriptura as Solo.So we have to ask for clarification.

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#483217 Oct 18, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>so now , you are saying that your first pope, peter , was ignorant.
and I say that you and others on this forum are ignorant to think that.
Paul , who wrote many books in the NT was much more intelligent than any catholic on this forum.
But he,said the,apostles,didn't write the,N T.??

There's th a monk again making it all up .

Seriously I think it's,possible . Especially Peter had learned disciples who wrote for him ...his,memories his instructions,..his communication....Luke was Greek ...he,wrote ..I'm sure,He interviewed
People including Mary
Jesus,did not come back right away ..And,Jesus,did not tell them when .
A,record was,kept ...a hustot

PLUS THEY WERE,INSPIRED.

or that proliftc monk.in thE basement was at it again !!!!

Thus leaving believers,at the end of a game of telephone .

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#483218 Oct 18, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>No, I never have. I am not a proponent of this doctrine, since it takes away from my concept of "free will" towards Salvation.
when the Bible speaks of "predestination"(IMO ), I am convinced that we are to be predestinated as Jesus Was. one who lives(tries to, anyway) a Holy life, Obedient to the Will of our Holy Father, Willing to be Crucified(die out to self).
However , I do believe that God has and does Choose certain individuals to bring forth His Plan of Salvation.
Mary is a good example of this form of Predestination, tho I believe that if she wasn't willing, God would have lifted up another to take her place, as He did replacing Saul with David.
proorizo, to limit in advance, i.e.(figuratively) predetermine:--determine before, ordain, predestinate.

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#483219 Oct 18, 2013
FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE PROCESS OF THE RECOGNITION AND COLLECTION BEGAN IN THE FIRST CENTURIES OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

VERY EARLY ON, SOME OF THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS WERE BEING RECOGNIZED.

PRIOR TO A.D. 80 THE DIDACHE was in circulation. In it contains knowledge of Matthew, Luke, Acts, Romans, I Corinthians and I Peter, and possibly Hebrews and Jude

A.D. 95 CLEMENT OF ROME mentioned at least eight New Testament books

A.D. 108 POLYCARP, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books Smyrna now &#304;zmir, Turkey
Polycarp's Letter to the Philippians written prior to A.D. 117, quotes John, Acts, Romans, I Corinthians, II Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, Hebrews, James and I John.

A.D. 115 IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH acknowledged about seven books The letters of Ignatius of Antioch, all
written before A.D. 117,(his death) refer to Matthew, John, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, and possibly eleven other New Testament books.

100-147. JUSTIN MARTYR, mentions the Gospels as being four in number and quotes from them and some of the epistles of Paul and Revelation. Born in Samaria (the middle portion of Israel, between Galilee and Judea) of pagan Greek parents

A.D. 185 IRENAEUS, quoted from all New Testament books except Philemon, Jude, James and 3 John.
Irenaeus mentioned 21 books A Greek from Smyrna in Asia Minor,now &#304;zmir, Turkey

160-240. TERTULLIAN, contemporary of Origen and Clement, mentions all the New Testament books except 2 Peter, James and 2 John. From Carthage in the Roman province of Africa

165-220. CLEMENT, OF ALEXANDRIA, names all the books of the New Testament except Philemon, James, 2 Peter and 3 John. In addition we are told by Eusebius, who had the works of Clement, that he gave explanations and quotations from all the canonical books.

185-254. ORIGEN, born at Alexandria, names all the books of both the Old and New Testaments.

1000 YEARS BEFORE THE COUNCIL OF NIACEA ORIGEN placed the gospels in the order we still have them in today.

325 AD ATHANASIUS, in the council of Niacea referred to all 27 books of the New Testament calling them the springs of salvation

By 170 AD the whole church from Asia to Africa had in their possession the completed Bible (2 peter was still considered).

All,the early church from the first to second century show they were familiar with twenty one of the twenty seven New Testament books which is demonstrated by their writings and quotations. By this time period the Apocrypha was not part of the Canon

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#483220 Oct 18, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
But you have it now,..not just a small part of a service ..
Real contextual study of the BIBLE ...one you can read,if you like ..
And I'm sure are,encouraged to???
It's a far different thing than hearing it at Mass .
I've done both ..
Not really the priest usually covers the readings for that day.

The catechism has to do with Bible study. When I went to Catholic school we had homework about Bible stories. I'm sure you did too.

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#483221 Oct 18, 2013
WHICH GOSPEL USED

In the early years of Christianity
there was even a controversy over
which of the four Gospels to use.

The Christians of Asia Minor
used the Gospel of John
rather than the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

Based upon the Passion account contained in John,
Christians in Asia Minor celebrated Easter on a different day than those in Rome, which resisted the Gospel of John and instead used the other Gospels.

The Western Church for a time hesitated
to use the Gospel of John
because the Gnostic heretics also made use of it
in addition to their own “secret Gospels.”
marge

Leesburg, GA

#483222 Oct 18, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The Assumption does not "conflict" with the bible, clearly others were taken up as well. That was my point. But no celestial bodies are made of green cheese so you're comparison doesn't hold water. Sorry confrint.
It 'adds' to the Bible.
Liam

Detroit, MI

#483223 Oct 18, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
LIAM
CLAY?
Any way ..I grew up with prayers,to Mary and May think a,bit differently about her than some others .
Did she have other children ..assumed ..born sinless or cleansed at the time of Jesus conception. By the HOLY Spirit
..if God wills,we,will all find out someday .in all these mysteries
Any way SERIiouS,question
All the early writings that THE EARLY Church included in CONPILING what we know,as the bible .
If Christ said ...or the Apostles acted in such a way as,to not only respect and love Mary ..But to Hold her up for reverence and authority .
Why is,she not mention in Acts ..why is,she not mentioned as,being a,
Disciple .
Now,I'M sure she was a source of knowledge for those who.wrote the gospels ..But why not even mention that .
If she was part of their community and just disappeared ..raptured..took up ..ascended ..why is it not in their accounts .
I have to say the fAct that she is,NOT mentioned in these ways GIVES CREDENCE to the,scriptures ....
As,opposed to the basement monk ..who would have at some time in Chyr h history added words about Mary's role .
Thank God ...it's,not the case .
So I'm curious,if we were meant to use MARY ...blessed as she was..as our Mediator ..why did Jesus not say so ...he told us,ask the FATHER IN MY NAME.
this is,why protestants do mot understand Mariology .
Why wasn't MARY more prominent ..it even mentioned as a,source in Scripture ..??
Mary is someone who needs no introduction in scripture. She bore forth the savior of mankind; God Himself made manifest. Really, there didn't need to be written documentation describing anything else. I mean, she nursed God and taught him how to walk and talk. Does the scriptures record that? No. Do you believe it happened?

Also, scripture barely mentions Jesus Christ for the first 33 yrs. Does that mean He wasn't important then?

Also Rose, the NT was first penned about 25 yrs after Jesus Christ died and rose. Of those writings, we have the memoirs of 4 of the Apostles. What I'm saying is, if everything about the life of Jesus Christ isn't documented in scripture, why would the life of Mary be?

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#483224 Oct 18, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary is someone who needs no introduction in scripture. She bore forth the savior of mankind; God Himself made manifest. Really, there didn't need to be written documentation describing anything else. I mean, she nursed God and taught him how to walk and talk. Does the scriptures record that? No. Do you believe it happened?
Also, scripture barely mentions Jesus Christ for the first 33 yrs. Does that mean He wasn't important then?
Also Rose, the NT was first penned about 25 yrs after Jesus Christ died and rose. Of those writings, we have the memoirs of 4 of the Apostles. What I'm saying is, if everything about the life of Jesus Christ isn't documented in scripture, why would the life of Mary be?
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The Bible need not include Jesus' early life or Theotokos' life.

The Purpose of John’s Gospel
30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name.

Footnotes:

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#483225 Oct 18, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>there is no one that has claimed that Jesus is God the Father, but you cant tell oxbore that. he doesn't care, he only wishes to argue, as the enigma that he is.
Really?????

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Chuck say:*Does Jesus say the words "I am God" no but if we read the passages it is clear who Jesus says He is...He is God
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Chuck also say: Not sure where he is going with this. Obviously he debates about God's Word but then denies Jesus is God. Two religions come to mind who deny Jesus is God but not sure what church Ox belongs to.
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GOD
This name, the derivation of which is uncertain, we give to that eternal, infinite, perfect, and incomprehensible Being, the Creator of all things, who preserves and governs all by his almighty power and wisdom, and is the only proper object of worship. The proper Hebrew name for God is JEHOVAH, which signifies He is.

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#483226 Oct 18, 2013
Fight for us, O God, that we not drift numb and blind and foolish into vain and empty excitements. Life is too short, too precious, too painful to waste on worldly bubbles that burst. Heaven is too great, hell is too horrible, eternity is too long that we should putter around on the porch of eternity.”

&#8213; John Piper Baptist theologian, preacher, and author

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"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#483227 Oct 18, 2013
who="Richie T" <quoted text> know - that's why I and other blood-bought Christians are still here. We are the "assembly called forth by the Crier" i.e. Ekklesia i.e. Church. We exist in every creed, nation and tongue and see through the deception of the Great Wh*re of Babylon.
The gates of Hell almost prevailed when the bloody, murderous Inquisitions nearly snuffed us out. Why would a Christian Church claiming guidance from the Holy Spirit kill in the name of Jesus? Unless, they have a jealous rage that come only from lost, unregenerated men who were, and still are, pricked in their unconverted hearts.

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Saul/Paul thought that he was working for God when he was persecuting the first Christians...but Jesus corrected him.

Jesus said that 'some of you they will kill, and believe that they are doing God service'. He said of those who crucified Him that, "they don't know what they are doing."

If you want to kill someone, or beat them up because they disagree with you, you can know for sure that the 'spirit' you are in is persecuting Jesus.

KayMarie

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#483228 Oct 18, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE PROCESS OF THE RECOGNITION AND COLLECTION BEGAN IN THE FIRST CENTURIES OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
VERY EARLY ON, SOME OF THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS WERE BEING RECOGNIZED.
PRIOR TO A.D. 80 THE DIDACHE was in circulation. In it contains knowledge of Matthew, Luke, Acts, Romans, I Corinthians and I Peter, and possibly Hebrews and Jude
A.D. 95 CLEMENT OF ROME mentioned at least eight New Testament books
A.D. 108 POLYCARP, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books Smyrna now &#304;zmir, Turkey
Polycarp's Letter to the Philippians written prior to A.D. 117, quotes John, Acts, Romans, I Corinthians, II Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, Hebrews, James and I John.
A.D. 115 IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH acknowledged about seven books The letters of Ignatius of Antioch, all
written before A.D. 117,(his death) refer to Matthew, John, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, and possibly eleven other New Testament books.
100-147. JUSTIN MARTYR, mentions the Gospels as being four in number and quotes from them and some of the epistles of Paul and Revelation. Born in Samaria (the middle portion of Israel, between Galilee and Judea) of pagan Greek parents
A.D. 185 IRENAEUS, quoted from all New Testament books except Philemon, Jude, James and 3 John.
Irenaeus mentioned 21 books A Greek from Smyrna in Asia Minor,now &#304;zmir, Turkey
160-240. TERTULLIAN, contemporary of Origen and Clement, mentions all the New Testament books except 2 Peter, James and 2 John. From Carthage in the Roman province of Africa
165-220. CLEMENT, OF ALEXANDRIA, names all the books of the New Testament except Philemon, James, 2 Peter and 3 John. In addition we are told by Eusebius, who had the works of Clement, that he gave explanations and quotations from all the canonical books.
185-254. ORIGEN, born at Alexandria, names all the books of both the Old and New Testaments.
1000 YEARS BEFORE THE COUNCIL OF NIACEA ORIGEN placed the gospels in the order we still have them in today.
325 AD ATHANASIUS, in the council of Niacea referred to all 27 books of the New Testament calling them the springs of salvation
By 170 AD the whole church from Asia to Africa had in their possession the completed Bible (2 peter was still considered).
All,the early church from the first to second century show they were familiar with twenty one of the twenty seven New Testament books which is demonstrated by their writings and quotations. By this time period the Apocrypha was not part of the Canon
Well then no monk.in the basement

Somehow,despite their humble origins,...And,NIT BEING TOLD TO WRITE ...they did ...

Leading of the,HOLY Spirit ..perhaps???

Thanks,..your post is,reassuring

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He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#483229 Oct 18, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really the priest usually covers the readings for that day.
The catechism has to do with Bible study. When I went to Catholic school we had homework about Bible stories. I'm sure you did too.
Yes,we,had stories,we,learned that were biblical as,children

Have to say

My daughter had to learn the books,in the bible ..I had never heard of them spoken of that way .

Nor enumerated,..She learned chapters,..verses ..not just what the,priest said was,today's,epistles..gospel .

It's,NOT THE,SAME,THING ...

Yes,the,source was,..we,read from the gospel of John today .

We did not study the book of John ...

Wen I picked up one of Dr school.bibles ..And said ..oh yes That story .

It was like learning a new alphabet ...

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Memphis, TN

#483230 Oct 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Nowhere, of course. He left the Church to compile the canon of scripture.
I don't remember reading in scripture where Jesus left it up to a church to compile them. If anything, the scriptures were already compiled in what was called the Torah. Jesus came to confirm what was already revealed. There was never the intent to exalt his own name. Men exalted him and made him God, even though Jesus kept God's word that no graven image should be made of God or worshipped upon as God. It was men who broke this commandment and established a church in the name and image of Jesus. Jesus did not intend this. Look it up!! According to scripture, Jesus exalted the word of God, not himself. Jesus came to glorify the Father, not himself...according to scripture. U have claimed that Jesus came and set up his church which is the Roman Catholic Church. This church evolved out of the Holy Roman Empire which worshipped pagan gods and performed pagan rituals. Go check your history if U wanna call me a liar. Do U think they have ventured far from this original practice of worshipping the gods?!? Why do U think the Roman Catholic Church have more than one entity to pray upon?!? Open your eyes!!!!!!

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"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#483231 Oct 18, 2013
who="StarC"
Don't like do you. Its your founder Gif/KM... this is who you follow.
Jesus founded our Church, live with it.
Know what get old? YOU.
You attack and I will defend, your style.
You wrote.
"is she your husband first wife"
LOL, too funny is that all you have?
One husband, One wife per lifetime, right. Obviously the founder of your church didn't follow Scripture!
Did you forget you told us you are 'penticostal'?
Be nice and I'll be nice, otherwise expect the same.

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Aimee McPherson DID NOT establish the church to which I belong, and God won't judge me for whatever Aimee did. Aimee is dead, but the headlines at the top of this page list lots of live Catholics who are anything but godly.

Suppose neither of us judges the other by long dead strangers...or let's just not judge ANYBODY, as that job belongs to God.

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#483232 Oct 18, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
It 'adds' to the Bible.
No, the Catholic Church doesn't say the Assumption of Mary is in the bible. Adding to the bible would be like saying the bible says "faith alone", or "bible alone".

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