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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 672884 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Gods R Delusions

Orlando, FL

#482420 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>No one worships statues of Mary.
In what way is Mary NOT treated as a god by the RCC.

According to the most recent official myth, Mary is more like Jesus (no sin, bodily into Heaven, etc.) than human.

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#482423 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>No one worships statues of Mary.
Earlier in a post U mentioned that Jesus never turns away a petition of his mother. Can U please point out in scripture where I may find this where Jesus was said to have mentioned it? I would like to learn more about it so if U don't mind....

Since: Jun 10

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#482424 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>You ever work at a food bank? I do, I volunteer there for my Church. If the tea party would be the majority, they would get rid of the food banks. Now how Christian is that? Tea partiers say so your poor, then you are lazy and not deserving. What would Christ say and do? He would be angry and He would help the poor.
You say:
He would be angry and He would help the poor.

Are you saying Christ is not helping the poor????

I see nothing in Scripture that supports any welfare system. While working in Thailand, I saw state welfare. You either worked to earn bahts to buy food, or you had relatives or friends that provided for you, or you did without....

While working in Indonesia, I saw firsthand, children or grandchildren or both, taking care of their welfare state..

While working in Singapore, I saw firsthand, if you as a son or daughter did not provide for your parents, you were sent to jail..

The above are non Christian locations..

Pr 20:4 ¶ The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing

The evil of slothfulness and the love of ease.

1. It keeps men from the most necessary business, from ploughing and sowing when the season is: The sluggard has ground to occupy, and has ability for it; he can plough, but he will not; some excuse or other he has to shift it off, but the true reason is that it is cold weather. Though ploughing time is not in the depth of winter, it is in the borders of winter, when he thinks it too cold for him to be abroad. Those are scandalously sluggish who, in the way of their business, cannot find in their hearts to undergo so little toil as that of ploughing and so little hardship as that of a cold blast. Thus careless are many in the affairs of their souls; a trifling difficulty will frighten them from the most important duty; but good soldiers must endure hardness.

2. Thereby it deprives them of the most necessary supports: Those that will not plough in seed-time cannot expect to reap in harvest; and therefore they must beg their bread with astonishment when the diligent are bringing home their sheaves with joy. He that will not submit to the labour of ploughing must submit to the shame of begging. They shall beg in harvest, and yet have nothing; no, not then when there is great plenty. Though it may be charity to relieve sluggards, yet a man may, in justice, not relieve them; they deserve to be left to starve. Those that would not provide oil in their vessels begged when the bridegroom came, and were denied.

The above clearly does not support a state welfare system...

Since: Jun 10

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#482425 Oct 15, 2013
hojo wrote:
Is there Only One True Church
While on earth, Jesus instructed his disciples to form one unified church, and for that church to spread His word. What happened to Christ's singular, united church?
With Protestant denominations numbering in the tens of thousands, how can Christians know for certain which church Jesus intended for them? And how can the Catholic Church insist that it is the one true Christian Church? Isn’t that a little… well… presumptuous?
Jesus Institutes the Christian ChurchRewind 2,000 years to when Jesus turned to his apostle Peter and said,“And so I tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build my church, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it.”(Matthew 16:18) Jesus instructed Peter and the other apostles to build a church, one church, His church. They obeyed, and that worldwide and unified church exists to this day.
Is the Catholic Church the One True Church?
So which church did Jesus establish? Historians confirm that the Catholic Church was the first Christian church; the very church initiated by Christ himself. Saint Augustine named this Church “Catholic” which means “united” in order to set it apart from the heretical sects that were beginning to call themselves churches. Jesus required that his church be unified, and for about 1,600 years it was.
The Protestants
Enter Martin Luther, a brilliant but unstable lawyer-scholar-monk who wanted to create reform within the church. His direct challenge of the Church led protestors to not only question and oppose Christ's only church but to completely desert it and create their own churches. These protestors, called “Protestants” divided the unity that Christ ordered and they continue to divide into multiple denominations to this day.
Why Isn’t Division Okay?
Remember, Jesus stipulated that his church be unified:“There will be one flock, one shepherd.”(John 10:16) Jesus even prayed that God would assist in keeping unity within His church:“...Holy father! Keep them safe by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one just as you and I are one.”(John 17:11 ) Jesus required that the church be one singular body of believers.
The early church fathers obeyed His word and worked to maintain unity, as evidenced by this statement in a letter from St. Paul to the Christian church in Rome:“I urge you, my friends to watch out for those who cause divisions and upset people’s faith and go against the teaching which you have received. Keep away from them!”(Romans 16:17). He also cautioned the church in Corinth: "By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ I appeal to all of you, my friends, to agree in what you say, so that there will be no divisions among you." (1 Corinthians1:10)
The Marks of the One True Church
According to the Bible, Christ’s church can be identified this way:
1. Everyone is welcome.“So there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles, between slaves and free people, between men and women; you are all one in union with Christ Jesus.”(Galatians 3:28)
2. Everyone is equal.“But if you treat people according to their outward appearance, you are guilty of sin…”(James 2:9).
3. Children are treasured. "Jesus said,'Let the children come to me and do not stop them, because the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these." (Matthew 19:14) In His church, children are loved and respected.
4.Church Historian to be the Catholic Church as the only Church that Jesus Christ established, formed and initiated!!
Say on!!!! I am elated to see you calling your pope a liar!!!!

Toms River, NJ

#482426 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>i have not heard that, I think they are still excommunicated in my Diocese because a member could not have a funeral in our church but had to go to Omaha last year.
That's probably because they are not in full communion with the Church. The excommunications only applied to the four bishops and those were lifted by the Church in 2009. They wouldn't apply to only one diocese.

Since: Jun 10

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#482427 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Ever have a friend pray for you? Well we ask Mary to pray for us and she is Christ's mother and Christ never turns away a petition from His mother. This means my prayer petition would go straight to Christ.
You are comparing apples to firewood..

You pray to Mary for whatever...

Show me you praying to a friend for whatever...

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#482428 Oct 15, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>Even though Mary was the vessel in which Jesus was born does not make her worthy of hearing the words that are meant for the Father. This is even so when it comes to these priests exalting themselves into a position to hear the confessions of sincere men's hearts that are meant for God to hear. Jesus did not one time tell his disciples to pray to Mary the Mother in order for God to hear them. And not one time did he exalt his mother during the time of his ministry. Jesus ALWAYS said to pray to the Father. ALWAYS said it! NEVER did he say that anyone else was worthy. The archangels even testify and confirm this throughout the scriptures. When we bow and pray, that should be a direct line to the Creator uninterrupted except through efforts of the "fallen ones" who have been and are continuously trying to disrupt the communications and divert sincere prayers towards false gods and idols, just as the Catholics are doing.
Then you better not ask the sinners you know to pray for you.

"Why do Catholics ask Mary to pray for them and other saints when Sacred Scripture states that there is one Mediator between God and man – Christ Jesus?(1 Tim. 2:5).

When Catholics ask Mary to pray for them and the other saints in

Heaven they are not bypassing Christ, whom they acknowledge as the

sole Mediator between God and man.

They are going to Christ

through Mary and the other saints.

They are asking Mary and other

saints to intercede for them before the throne of Christ in Heaven

"For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much." (James 5:16). How much more availing is the unceasing prayer of the sinless Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ! St. Paul asked his fellow Christians to intercede for him: "Brethren, pray for us." (2 Thess. 3:1). And again: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God ..." (Rom. 15:30). Christ must particularly approve of our going to Him through Mary, His Blessed Mother, because He chose to come to us through her. And at Cana, He performed His first miracle after a word from His Mother.(John 2:2-11).

It is clear in Sacred Scripture that the saints in Heaven will

intercede for us before the throne of Christ if they are

petitioned in prayer (Apoc. or Rev. 8:3-4), and it is clear in the

records of primitive Christianity that the first Christians

eagerly sought their intercession. Wrote St. John Chrysostom in the fourth century: "When thou perceivest that God is chastening thee, fly not to His enemies, but to His friends, the martyrs, the saints, and those who were pleasing to Him, and who have great power." If the saints have such power with God, how much more His own Mother."


Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#482430 Oct 15, 2013
who="Husker Du" <quoted text>You ever work at a food bank? I do, I volunteer there for my Church. If the tea party would be the majority, they would get rid of the food banks. Now how Christian is that? Tea partiers say so your poor, then you are lazy and not deserving. What would Christ say and do? He would be angry and He would help the poor.

The Tea Partiers ARE NOT against the poor. If you meet them, you probably will find that they serve at OR SUPPORT food banks.

The leftist secular media is lying about well as about the rest of us.


Toms River, NJ

#482431 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>And receiving Communion on the tongue is coming back, but both ways will stay. In my Diocese we can go to both Latin Rite and the regular Mass. The people who go to the Latin Rite are Catholic and not that Society of Pious or whatever. I don't think there is a conservative or Liberal Catholic, if you follow the Catholic Religion, you are just plain Catholic. the Seminary for the Latin Rite is really nice and EWTN had the blessing of the Seminary on TV. There are only two in the world, one in Nebraska and one in Switzerland I think. My Bishop Ordains the priests there.
I often receive on the tongue and didn't start receiving in the hand until fairly recently. However, the change was not stipulated in Vatican II. Both the ordinary form and extraordinary forms of the Mass are the Latin Rite. I think you mean the Traditional Latin Mass (extraordinary form). Both are quite valid. The Tridentine Mass is what I grew up with and will always love. It's heaven on earth. But I've come to like the novus ordo as well, although it took me a long time. It also can be beautiful, depending on the celebrant.

I didn't see the blessing of the seminary in Nebraska. I'm sure it was beautiful. Didn't know those were the only two seminaries.
Tango Bravo

Wichita, KS

#482434 Oct 15, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Good dodge...but not original...
Not a dodge at all. I'm quoting you, or did you forget.

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#482435 Oct 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
You make us all understand why the Roman Catholics hate the Bible..
Snipped for space....

BE VERY thankful that the Catholics gave you the Bible.

The Pope, just sees that the Bible is followed.

So your founder Amiee had the real teachings?
A ordinary women that was an adulteress, yeah right!
The real heathen is Aimee and her followers, YOU!

“In the years that followed, Sister Aimee continued her preaching and international tours, but her love affair with the press had ended, and rumors persistently followed her. She MARRIED A THIRD TIME in 1931, then divorced in 1934. She died in 1944 from an OVERDOSE of barbiturates. She is buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale,

Since: Feb 12

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#482437 Oct 15, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know. Good question. I don't think its just the Mass. I would like to define myself as a traditional Catholic, but I like both Masses. I know many Catholics who wish some of the changes of Vatican II would be reversed. Receiving the Eucharist from a Priest or Deacon while kneeling is something I would like to see come back. I see people who look like they are at a Baseball game, holding their hands out to receive communion from some guy who's not a Priest, and I don't like it. I don't know that you can totally blame Vatican II for that or just a reflection of modern society in general. I know its not like it is here as in other parts of the world.
Thank you for your reply...


Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#482438 Oct 15, 2013
Liam wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I just think you're approaching the Bible wrong. That's why its difficult to get into these Bible verse warfare matches with the fundamentals. The Bible is not one Book, its a collection of Books. It wasn't revealed to us by slamming verses in peoples faces. So really, every argument with a fundie should always begin and end with the topic of sola scripture.
I base Mary being the Holiest of arks because the first ark of the covenant was a gold container that we know from scriptures was Holy. Right?
How much more Holy would the 'container' be, that brought God Himself to human form be? The first one brought the Torah, and it couldn't be touched, looked at or entered. Can you see why the first Christians understood Mary to be ever Virgin?
This is basic scripture, Chuck. This is using your gift of logic. You need logic because you decided to remove the Church upon which the Bible came, therefore, you're out on your own... You are going to need logic out there.
You wrote

You are going to need logic out there.

logic defined...


LOG'IC, n.[L. id; Gr. from reason, to speak.]

The art of thinking and reasoning justly.

Logic is the art of using reason well in our inquiries after truth, and the communication of it to others.

Logic may be defined, the science or history of the human mind, as it traces the progress of our knowledge from our first conceptions through their different combinations, and the numerous deductions that result from comparing them with one another.

Correct reasoning implies correct thinking and legitimate inferences from premises, which are principles assumed or admitted to be just. Logic then includes the art of thinking, as well as the art of reasoning.

The purpose of logic is to direct the intellectual powers in the investigation of truth, and in the communication of it to others.

human logic in CHRISTIANITY IS BUT A

DILEMMA, n.[Gr., a syllogism which strikes on each side; an assumption; to take.]

1. In logic, an argument equally conclusive by contrary suppositions.

2. A difficult or doubtful choice; a state of things in which evils or obstacles present themselves on every side, and it is difficult to determine what course to pursue.




Since: Feb 12

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#482439 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
One more
<quoted text>
Please,stop dragging thing from one another I can do what I want, so bite me.
I haven't heard those famous last two words of your since I was a teenager...yikesss...that's a keeper..


Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#482440 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
One more
<quoted text>
Please,stop dragging thing from one another I can do what I want, so bite me.

I haven't heard those famous last two words of your since I was a teenager...yikesss...that's a keeper..



Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would..




1Th_5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly,

comfort the feeble minded,

support the weak, be patient toward all men.

Rockford, IL

#482441 Oct 15, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I know how you're an advocate of truth (lol) but you should avoid those cult pamphlet websites. As I showed you a couple weeks ago (but do not have the link available at the moment). Prayer beads have nothing to do with a 'pagan religion thing'. In Catholicism, beads were first used by illiterate laity who followed along with the Monks of the Catholic Church who recited the psalms daily. The laity could not read the psalms, so they quietly followed along using beads and substituting the Lords prayer while the Monks read the psalms. Obviously, this conflicted with your pre determined opinion that it needed to be a pagan thing. So you conveniently ignored the truth you were presented. Typical of the fundie.
Give this a read. You got your beads from pagans. Of this there is no doubt. Beads?

Rockford, IL

#482442 Oct 15, 2013
In Matthew 26:26-29, Jesus referred to the unleavened bread as His body and the fruit of the vine, grape juice, as His blood. Obviously, the disciples understood Him to be speaking symbolically for His body and blood were right before their very eyes.

In Luke's gospel account (22:13-20), Jesus said the bread was His body given for them. Such could not be the case if they consumed it. Also in verse 20, Jesus referred to the cup as being the New Testament in His blood. He was not speaking of the container, but the contents grape juice. Referring to the same cup, He said it was His blood shed for them. Again, such could not be the case if they consumed it.

When Paul gave corrective instruction to the Corinthians regarding their abuse of the Lord's Supper, he wrote:

I Corinthians 11:23-28, 23 "For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup."

Check the repeated references to bread and cup throughout this text. Nowhere does Paul give indication to a literal body and blood. Consider the construction of the phrase "as oft as ye drink it" in verse 25. The pronoun "it" must agree with it's antecedent noun. In this case, the antecedent noun is "cup" and not "blood." Therefore, Jesus refers to drinking the cup, it's contents = grape juice, and not to drinking blood.

There is another point to be considered in this regard. The eating or drinking of blood was forbidden in each of the three dispensations of God's relationship with man. God forbad the eating or drinking blood in the Patriarchal Age (Gen 9:4), in the Mosaic Age (Leviticus 17:10), and in the Christian Age (Acts 15:20. 29). There is no argument to circumvent this prohibition.

God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), neither does He contradict Himself. Therefore, to teach the literal presence of the flesh and blood of Jesus in the communion is to contradict the clear teaching of Scripture.

Since: Feb 12

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#482447 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>sadly, they will never thank us.
Let me be the first...On behalf of myself and the entire Orthodox Church we thank you for giving us the


Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#482449 Oct 15, 2013
Gods R Delusions wrote:
<quoted text>
In the last Presidential election, the majority of Catholic voted for Obama.
Pew Research
It drives,my sis,crazy ..people in her Church ..Catholics.. voting for that party.


Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#482450 Oct 15, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>I woek at a food bank and the funds they get are federaly funded along with Catholic Charities.
So you vote,for the,Dems. Because,you think the,Tea Party is,bad??

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