Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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concerned in Brasil

Europe

#481260 Oct 9, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Roman Catholic Church is Apostate in the eyes of the Holy Spirit God. She has gone by that which was written for earthly gain.
The word God breathed by the Holy Spirit explicitly declares this.
I am here to make my case with the indisputable biblical and historical facts"
All I've seen is yours, Webster's and Slick's opinions on scripture and history. You're gonna have to do better than that.
I surprised you have seen anything with your head so far in the sand.

I have given so much more than Matt Slick and Willam Webster I am sorry for you, that you just can't help yourself and lie.

But why do I have to have to better than that because YOU say so.

You can't refute one of them, your last attempt you posted RC apologists links that argued against James White LOL yes Anthony I checked out your links I read them.

Your not a very good Poker player all you can do is bluff because the RCC has no cards.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#481261 Oct 9, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus loves me ..
The bible tells me so .
Just was making observation
I have learned much Here I did not know ...your history lessons pull some things together ...
But despite the rancor ..just saying if we love JESUS Christ as Saviour ..isn't that common ground ..trust me..I'm aware of a lot.
Since I really was raised Catholic ...learned what they taught at the time ...fifties sixties.
I am no longer Catholic ..I did no find true Faith through the guidance if the HOLY SPIRIT till later in life ...to love HIM ..KNOW exactly how much He did for me in my heart ..soul and spirit ...till then .
I have learned a,lot ..understood scripture more deeply ..not on my own But through the gifts given me ...on being born again
But I know Catholics who love Jesus as much as,I do ..And live it .
So ..????
.I think God uses people as He finds them ..when He wills.
Just saying e rancor ..of which I am guilty myself ..is,NOT good for our souls ...
If they are RC and pray to dead saints contrary to how Jesus and every example in the bible teaches us to pray.
If they are RC and adore their papacy and would or have bowed to the pope are willing to kiss his ring finger.
If they are willing to use Mary as their mediator to the father and give prayers to her and call her mother of god and Queen of Heaven and bow before graven images of her
If they are RC and believe they need Mass the Eucharist every week to maintain Salvation and that its a weekly sacrifice of Jesus and they are literally eating his flesh and blood.
If they believe salvation is by grace with infusion of works as a RC does..........

There are more If's but if your RC friends do these things they do not Love the Jesus that spoke and the world came into existence.

The love and worship a false Jesus just like a Mormon.

They may have passion and Love, so do Muslims, so do JW's, so do Mormons but if they all love a false Jesus and they are on road to eternal separation from the Father, I don's say so the Jesus revealed in the scriptures said so and that's why this is of grave consequence.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#481262 Oct 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay "]<quoted text>
Good work says Kay? No its not. Its full of conspiracy scenarios. In effect, you're saying the Holy Spirit did not guide the generation that came immediately after the Apostles. And those Disciples that heard the teachings directly from the mouths of the Apostles did not get it correct. Were they not born again??
In fact, nobody got it right until the 20th century it seems? That's ridiculous on every level. And it completely lacks faith and trust in Jesus Christ. He promised to protect His Church... Not let it get infiltrated by a wicked men.
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Please understand me, Clay. We are talking about denominations (simply means a group operating under a 'name'), not about any of us as individuals. My trust is in Christ.
In times past, people thought that the world sat on the back of a turtle. Some reasoned that that turtle had to sit on the back of a larger turtle...on the back of a larger turtle, etc. Brasil reminded me of that when he said that trusting a pope to be infallible through generations of them ('sitting' on the same concept). You and I both know that some popes were anything but 'holy' or infallible.
No church...yours or mine...is immune to infiltration of wicked men...or the temporary failure of some 'good' men.
We believe and teach what Matthew, Luke, John, Mark, Peter and Paul reported that Jesus said. Their reports have brought about wonderful results...and a LOVE for God and His Word.
Peace,
KayMarie
Amen Kay

I believe that Word has been spread by God's ,people through the
Leading of the HOLY Spirit for centuries,.
The,Gospels,the,inspired Word .

God used who He used . When He used them..for His,reasons
Knowing how fallible men can become ..He has preserved and let out
HIS,WORD into the,world ...by foot ..by word .by bible ..by tv ..by internet over he ocean with the settlers ..over the,Roman roads,with Paul..over airwaves ..over internet ...by folks,giving money to print bibles in different languages ..in big Churches ..in underground Churches ..in free lands ..ny missionaries in persecuted lands .

The Word ..Jesus,Chris r cannot be held captive nor silent .
THANK GOD

I believe He,wishes that none be ignorant ..
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#481263 Oct 9, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Man, you're on fanatic overdrive! Are you saying the Pope ordered the sacking of Constantinople? I already showed you an essay from a historian at Utah State who disagrees with you. In fact, find me one normal historian that does agree with any of your absurd claims. The Pope murdered 50 million or whatever, fine.. Show us something so we can review it.
It really sounds like you're nothing but an ignorant bigot. But you only hate Roman Catholics. Do you hate Orthodox? They believe in the sacramental priesthood and the authority of the Church too ya know...
Question: when did the teachings of Jesus Christ get messed up. Clearly, dogma and doctrine was in place long before evil Roman took over His Church. The Eucharist, infant Baptism, the sacraments priesthood, Confession... in your authoritative opinion, was the Church immediately messed up until the born again movement arrived and read the Bible?
I have given in this Thread over and over again the evidence and I am willing to so again but are you the one who said there is no debate, nothing to debate,??

So are you now willing to enter an open honest debate??

That being said, again the RCC acknowledges thousands dead from the Inquisitions and that in of itself proves Rome can't be the one.

So for a starting point do you disagree or agree with Romes own numbers of those killed???

If you are willing to debate the facts I will know if you answer the above questions fairly and honestly.

I am hopeful but I won't hold my breath.
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#481264 Oct 9, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is the only list of Inspired books.
Tell me oh Great Sage...was Christ lying when he said:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
And all the people in the Congregation said....

AMEN
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#481266 Oct 9, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do I believe that somehow only a very few people will be making it to heaven and you will be #1 at the gates. You sure come across that way. Mr self righteous!
Only in your own imagination Michael! NOWHERE have I ever said (or has any other Catholic EVER said) who is going to heaven and who is not!! There is "no guarantee" on (anyone going to heaven)!! God HIMSELF will make that determination as HE IS THE FINAL JUDGE!!
The bible tells us in Phil. that "we are to work out our Salvation in trembling and fear"!! I am just as much a sinner as anyone else, and only by the Grace of God, will HE grant me "eternal life" with HIM. It is "in Jesus Christ" in and through HIS One True Catholic Church, that He offers us HIS path of Salvation, with the FULLNESS of the Faith and the FULLNESS of the TRUTH in the Eucharist, the Sacraments and the TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in and through HIS Catholic Church.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#481267 Oct 9, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do I believe that somehow only a very few people will be making it to heaven and you will be #1 at the gates.
Ask the bible only "fundies" on this forum, because (each one of them) have "appointed themselves" the final judge as to 1).who is a Christian and who is not, 2) who is going to heaven and who is not, 3) who has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and who does not, 4) who is saved and who is not!!!(thus relieving God of HIS responsiblity)

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#481268 Oct 9, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Why would you put that on Topix? That is personal and I am sure that daughter would be embaressed. Have her drink water . Quit with the sodas .
his words are quite correct and much healthier for her to stop drinking pepsi.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#481269 Oct 9, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
A sick person said? "Seems to me the antibiotics are staying with her"
You would think by now you would be better at saving face!!!!!
are you on some medication that doesn't allow you to transmit what is being said, accurately?

so let me help you out.

NO SICK PERSON SAID WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING THAT WAS SAID.

I realize this is a forum and people reply to anything that they wish, however not all people reply truthfully and you are ONE OF THOSE.

YOU R NOTHING BUT A TROUBLEMAKEER AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#481270 Oct 9, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask the bible only "fundies" on this forum, because (each one of them) have "appointed themselves" the final judge as to 1).who is a Christian and who is not, 2) who is going to heaven and who is not, 3) who has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and who does not, 4) who is saved and who is not!!!(thus relieving God of HIS responsiblity)
why do we(u & I) reply to this person.

his only outlet in life is to kibitz and he cares not which side.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#481271 Oct 9, 2013
truth wrote:
you try control
but you are hopeless
and you are nobody too
don't you
when i died don't cry
they don't have keyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
There re not other God inspired books...ask any Christian..

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#481272 Oct 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay "]<quoted text>
We believe and teach what Matthew, Luke, John, Mark, Peter and Paul reported that Jesus said. Their reports have brought about wonderful results...and a LOVE for God and His Word.
Peace,
KayMarie
It appears you are beginning to choose your words carefully.....this is a good thing, especially when you know I will call you out if you choose otherwise.

Good seeking for the truth.....it looks like you are taking the right steps.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#481273 Oct 9, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>yeah!!! right on!!! Hate the Orthodox too!!! Unity now!!! Hoooorah!!!!
*hold out his hand*

You can hold mine if you choose. I'll walk with you - but just to talk.

:o)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#481274 Oct 9, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is the only list of Inspired books.
Please post where "God" specifically states which books/texts are "of His inspiration" and which are not.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#481275 Oct 9, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
There re not other God inspired books...ask any Christian..
Sure there are. The selections you think are teh only ones, have only been designated as such by men.

I'll wait for your citation to my previous post's request for you (or any so-called "Christian") to show me where "God" specifically states which texts are inspired and which are not.

Why don't you believe Jesus?
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#481276 Oct 9, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Only in your own imagination Michael! NOWHERE have I ever said (or has any other Catholic EVER said) who is going to heaven and who is not!! There is "no guarantee" on (anyone going to heaven)!! God HIMSELF will make that determination as HE IS THE FINAL JUDGE!!
The bible tells us in Phil. that "we are to work out our Salvation in trembling and fear"!! I am just as much a sinner as anyone else, and only by the Grace of God, will HE grant me "eternal life" with HIM. It is "in Jesus Christ" in and through HIS One True Catholic Church, that He offers us HIS path of Salvation, with the FULLNESS of the Faith and the FULLNESS of the TRUTH in the Eucharist, the Sacraments and the TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in and through HIS Catholic Church.
ANATHEMA

In the acts of the Councils and the further course of the New Testament Church of Christ, the word "anathema" came to mean complete separation from the Church. "The Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes", "let him be anathema", "let it be anathema", means a complete tearing away from the church. While in cases of "separation from the communion of the Church" and other epitimia or penances laid on a person, the person remained a member of the Church, even though his participation in her grace filled life was limited, those given over to anathema were thus completely torn away from her until their repentance. Realizing that she is unable to do anything for their salvation, in view of their stubbornness and hardness of heart, the earthly church lifts them up to the judgement of God.

To deny any of these teachings and to refuse to embrace them with a positive faith is to come under an anathema and to experience loss of saving faith according to the RCC

An individual must believe that the popes are infallible when teaching ex cathedra.

One must believe that the Bishops of Rome have been given authority by Christ to rule the Church universal.

One must be submitted to the Bishop of Rome in all areas of faith, morals, discipline and government of the Church.

The Roman Catholic Church alone has the right to interpret Scripture and its interpretations are infallible.

One must accept the Apocrypha as Scripture and as part of the Canon.

There is no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church.

One must believe that the Roman Catholic sacraments are necessary for salvation and that there specific number is seven.

An individual must repudiate the teaching that the imputed righteousness of Christ is the basis for justification.

One must embrace the teaching that justification is not by faith alone but by human works cooperating with grace and by participation in the sacraments.

One must believe that human works cooperating with grace merit eternal life.

One must accept the teaching that water baptism is necessary for salvation as it is the instrumental means of regeneration even for infants.

One must believe that the Mass is a propitiatory sacrifice for sin.

One must believe that in the eucharist the bread and wine is transformed into the literal body and blood of Christ at the words of consecration (Transubstantiation).

It is necessary to believe that confession of sins to a Roman Catholic priest and receiving his absolution and performing acts of penance is the only way to receive forgiveness of sins after baptism.

One must embrace the teachings of the immaculate conception and Assumption of Mary.

One must accept the Roman Catholic teaching on Purgatory.

So as you can see it is Clear as day, Yes the RCC judges who is not going to heaven if they do not repent from believing contrary to Romes novel dogma's.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#481277 Oct 9, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Why would you put that on Topix? That is personal and I am sure that daughter would be embaressed. Have her drink water . Quit with the sodas .
You obviously DON'T know my daughter....LOL....
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#481278 Oct 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>his words are quite correct and much healthier for her to stop drinking pepsi.
Thank you, Preston!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#481279 Oct 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not the one who establishes a theory (about "Adam and Eve's children") and then promotes it as true.
*sighs*
You are starting to sound Catholic.
Neither am I....
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#481280 Oct 9, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure there are. The selections you think are teh only ones, have only been designated as such by men.
I'll wait for your citation to my previous post's request for you (or any so-called "Christian") to show me where "God" specifically states which texts are inspired and which are not.
Why don't you believe Jesus?
No council no men designated the NT scriptures as such they just were by Holy Spirit God divine leading.

From only 150 years of Early church fathers writings we can recreate the NT 98% from them quoting them as such as the word of God as Scripture. Most of them knew the authors lead by the Holy Spirit to write these Books Epistles letters what we call the NT

Understand the totality of this, they are not quoting one or two lines and us saying that the whole book or whole epistle is scripture they are quoting every line to a totality of 98%.

There are no other books or epistles that can claim this stature.

NOT the ones you quote that is for sure.

So you asking for God to give you list is equal to you asking him to lie, he did it the way he chose accept or don't.

You make as straw man statement a false criteria for your acceptance of something 2000 years after the fact sorry you don't make the rules and either do I.

You might as well ask God to give you a declaration that he is God, he will answer, I AM the great I AM.

His sheep will know his voice, why don't is the question you should be asking yourself today.

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