Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Full story: CBC News 560,388
The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#480684 Oct 7, 2013
The Rosary is at the heart of a "Christ-centered prayer". It has all the depth of the gospel message in its entirety.

The purpose of the rosary is to help us meditate on the great mysteries of our salvation. Pius XII called it a compendium of the gospel. The main focus is on Jesus—his birth, life, death and resurrection. The Our Fathers remind us that Jesus' Father is the initiator of salvation. The Hail Marys remind us to join with Mary in contemplating these mysteries. They also make us aware that Mary was and is intimately joined with her Son, as an intercessory, in all the mysteries of his earthly and heavenly existence. The Glorys remind us that the purpose of all life is the glory of the Trinity.

The rosary appeals to many, in its simplicity! The constant repetition of words helps create an atmosphere in which to contemplate the mysteries of God to help our focus on Christ's presence, His forgiveness and Mary's intercession in prayer. We sense that Jesus and Mary are with us in the joys and sorrows of life. We grow in hope that God will bring us to share in the glory of Jesus Eternal Salvation forever.

Truth

Leesburg, VA

#480685 Oct 7, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>And by the way are you Christians aware that Heaven will be right here on earth? The Lord God Himself, when all is finished is coming right here to good old terra firma earth to reside FOREVER. Scripture tells us that Mt. Zion is His most favorite place in all the universe. Ya heard me?
Wrong, Tony!

The time will come when we will leave this physical world behind and enjoy the fullness of the heavenly kingdom, but for now we are living on earth as foreigners or sojourners.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#480686 Oct 7, 2013
2 Peter 1:10-1

10 Therefore, my brothers and sister make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#480687 Oct 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, Tony!
The time will come when we will leave this physical world behind and enjoy the fullness of the heavenly kingdom, but for now we are living on earth as foreigners or sojourners.
Hebrews 11:16

16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—<<<a heavenly one.>>> Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God,~~~for he has prepared a city for them.~~~
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#480688 Oct 7, 2013
Did the Roman Catholic church give us our Bible?
by Matt Slick

Roman Catholics often say that it was their church that gave us the Bible. They sometimes claim this when defending their "Sacred Tradition" so that they might support extra-biblical teachings such as purgatory, penance, indulgences, and Mary worship. They often say the only way the Christian church knew what books are to be included in the Canon of Scripture was because it was revealed by word-of-mouth in the early church; that is, by the tradition of the Catholic Church.

Unfortunately, this argument implies that tradition is superior to Scripture. Of course, we are not saying that the Roman Catholic church teaches that tradition is above Scripture. But when Sacred Tradition is claimed to be the thing by which Scripture is given, then tradition is inadvertently the thing that gives blessing and approval to the Bible. Heb. 7:7 says, "But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater." The unfortunate psychological effect of saying that Roman Catholic tradition is what gave us the Bible, is that it elevates their tradition to a level far greater than what is permitted in Scripture. In fact, it is contradicted by scripture:

"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other," (1 Cor. 4:6).

cont....
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#480689 Oct 7, 2013
The Bible tells us to obey the Word of God, to not go beyond the written Word (1 Cor. 4:6). Unfortunately, the problem with an elevated status of Roman Catholic church tradition is that it results in various justifications of it's non-biblical teachings such as prayer to Mary, purgatory, indulgences, penance, works of righteousness, etc. Because it has deviated from trusting God's Word alone, it has ventured into unscriptural areas. Nevertheless, did the Roman Catholic Church give us the Bible? No, it did not.

First of all, the Roman Catholic Church was not really around as an organization in the first couple hundred years of the Christian Church. The Christian church was under persecution and official church gatherings were very risky in the Roman Empire due to the persecution. Catholicism, as an organization with a central figure located in Rome, did not occur for quite some time, in spite of its claim they can trace the papacy back to Peter.

Second, the Christian Church recognized what was Scripture. It did not establish it. This is a very important point. The Christian Church recognizes what God has inspired and pronounces that recognition. In other words, it discovers what is already authentic. Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice and they follow me..." (John 10:27). The church hears the voice of Christ; that is, it recognizes what is inspired and it follows the word. It does not add to it as the Roman Catholic Church has done. Therefore, it is not following the voice of Christ.

Third, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament which is the Scripture to which Christ and the apostles appealed. If the Roman Catholic Church wants to state that it gave us the Bible, then how can they rightfully claim to have given us the Old Testament which is part of the Bible? It didn't, so it cannot make that claim. The fact is that the followers of God, the true followers of God, recognize what is and is not inspired.

Fourth, when the apostles wrote the New Testament documents they were inspired by the power of the Holy Spirit. There wasn't any real issue of whether or not they were authentic. Their writings did not need to be deemed worthy of inclusion in the Canon of Scripture by a later group of men in the so-called Roman Catholic Church. To make such a claim is, in effect, to usurp the natural power and authority of God himself that worked through the Apostles.

Fifth, the Scripture says, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God," (2 Pet. 1:20-21). The Bible tells us that the Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the very nature of the inspired documents is that they carry power and authenticity in themselves. They are not given the power or the authenticity of ecclesiastical declaration.

cont...
truth

Perth, Australia

#480690 Oct 7, 2013
truth

Perth, Australia

#480691 Oct 7, 2013
Lord will rebuked my enemy!
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#480692 Oct 7, 2013
Conclusion

The Christian church, as an earthly organization, recognized the Word of God (John 10:27). It didn't give us the Word of God. Also, it was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles, not the Catholic Church. Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament. The Jews did. How can the RCC claim it gave us the Bible when it did not give us the Old Testament? Finally, when the Catholic Church claims that it is the source of the sacred Scriptures, it is, in effect, placing itself above the word of God by claiming that through it's authority we received the word of God.

For more concise articles on RCC with footnote, verifiable evidence on the RCC and its unbiblical practices go to

http://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-giv...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#480694 Oct 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not a descendent of Adam/Eve...you are not a descendent of apes...what are you a descendent of???!!
The bigger question is ...why do you feel it so important to classify me in some "envelope" that fits so neatly in your little paradigm?
Your choices are extremely limited and unrealistic...you do understand that don't you?
truth

Perth, Australia

#480695 Oct 7, 2013
What Isaiah say?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#480696 Oct 7, 2013
hojo wrote:
The Rosary is at the heart of a "Christ-centered prayer". It has all the depth of the gospel message in its entirety.
The purpose of the rosary is to help us meditate on the great mysteries of our salvation. Pius XII called it a compendium of the gospel. The main focus is on Jesus—his birth, life, death and resurrection. The Our Fathers remind us that Jesus' Father is the initiator of salvation. The Hail Marys remind us to join with Mary in contemplating these mysteries. They also make us aware that Mary was and is intimately joined with her Son, as an intercessory, in all the mysteries of his earthly and heavenly existence. The Glorys remind us that the purpose of all life is the glory of the Trinity.
The rosary appeals to many, in its simplicity! The constant repetition of words helps create an atmosphere in which to contemplate the mysteries of God to help our focus on Christ's presence, His forgiveness and Mary's intercession in prayer. We sense that Jesus and Mary are with us in the joys and sorrows of life. We grow in hope that God will bring us to share in the glory of Jesus Eternal Salvation forever.
~~~

Php 4:6 Be careful for nothing;

but

in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

JESUS SAID...

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

COMMENTARY ...JOHN WESLEY
Matthew 6:7

Use not vain repetitions -

To repeat any words without meaning them,

is certainly a vain repetition.

Therefore we should be extremely careful in all our prayers to mean what we say; and

to say only what we mean

from the bottom of our hearts.

The vain and heathenish repetitions which we are here warned against, are most dangerous, and

yet very common;

which is a principal cause why so many, who still profess religion, are a disgrace to it.

Indeed all the words in the world are not equivalent to one holy desire. And

the very best prayers are but vain repetitions,

if they are not the language of the heart.

___

1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God

hath the witness in himself:

he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;

because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record,

that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and

he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God;

that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and

that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jn 5:14 ==> And this is the confidence that we have in him,

that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us,

whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. <==

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

CHRISTMAS

#480697 Oct 7, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>lol sorry rose if you want sites Ill give them to you.I don't give them out here cause many don't want to do the work of research and go to maybe 1 or 2 sites. The site listed was a joke sorry again
OhhhHigh

Lol
I saw,those,writing ..thinking maybe it's,Greek ..hen I looked closer

Lol .

I'm like mmmmmm ok Hermi ..Arab???

Nah. Lol

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#480698 Oct 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>

edited
The only thing I object to is not crediting him. It's unethical not to do so.
-

We know your ethical standards here.

You want to do ethical citations? Here is one standard of what you use. This is real world stuff where you actually have to prove yourself, not the "blog world" where you can be the expert on Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

I have used it many times:

Source material must be documented in the body of the paper by citing the author(s) and date(s) of the sources. The underlying principle is that ideas and words of others must be formally acknowledged. The reader can obtain the full source citation from the list of references that follows the body of the paper.

A.When the names of the authors of a source are part of the formal structure of the sentence, the year of publication appears in parentheses following the identification of the authors. Consider the following example:

Wirth and Mitchell (1994) found that although there was a reduction in insulin dosage over a period of two weeks in the treatment condition compared to the control condition, the difference was not statistically significant.

[Note: and is used when multiple authors are identified as part of the formal structure of the sentence. Compare this to the example in the following section.]

B.When the authors of a source are not part of the formal structure of the sentence, both the authors and year of publication appear in parentheses. Consider the following example:

Reviews of research on religion and health have concluded that at least some types of religious behaviors are related to higher levels of physical and mental health (Gartner, Larson, & Allen, 1991; Koenig, 1990; Levin & Vanderpool, 1991; Maton & Pargament, 1987; Paloma & Pendleton, 1991; Payne, Bergin, Bielema, & Jenkins, 1991).

[Note: & is used when multiple authors are identified in parenthetical material. Note also that when several sources are cited parenthetically, they are ordered alphabetically by first authors' surnames and separated by semicolons.]

C.When a source that has two authors is cited, both authors are included every time the source is cited.

D.When a source that has three, four, or five authors is cited, all authors are included the first time the source is cited. When that source is cited again, the first author’s surname and “et al.” are used. Consider the following example:
Reviews of research on religion and health have concluded that at least some types of religious behaviors are related to higher levels of physical and mental health (Payne, Bergin, Bielema, & Jenkins, 1991).

Payne et al.(1991) showed that …

E.When a source that has six or more authors is cited, the first author’s surname and “et al.” are used every time the source is cited (including the first time).

F. Every effort should be made to cite only sources that you have actually read. When it is necessary to cite a source that you have not read (“Grayson” in the following example) that is cited in a source that you have read (“Murzynski & Degelman” in the following example), use the following format for the text citation and list only the source you have read in the References list:

Grayson (as cited in Murzynski & Degelman, 1996) identified four components of body language that were related to judgments of vulnerability.

G.To cite a personal communication (including letters, emails, and telephone interviews), include initials, surname, and as exact a date as possible. Because a personal communication is not “recoverable” information, it is not included in the References section. For the text citation, use the following format:

B. F. Skinner (personal communication, February 12, 1978) claimed …
H.To cite a Web document, use the author-date format. If no author is identified, use the first few words of the title in place of the author. If no date is provided, use “n.d.” in place of the date. Consider the following examples:
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#480699 Oct 7, 2013
hojo wrote:
The Rosary is at the heart of a "Christ-centered prayer". It has all the depth of the gospel message in its entirety.
The purpose of the rosary is to help us meditate on the great mysteries of our salvation. Pius XII called it a compendium of the gospel. The main focus is on Jesus—his birth, life, death and resurrection. The Our Fathers remind us that Jesus' Father is the initiator of salvation. The Hail Marys remind us to join with Mary in contemplating these mysteries. They also make us aware that Mary was and is intimately joined with her Son, as an intercessory, in all the mysteries of his earthly and heavenly existence. The Glorys remind us that the purpose of all life is the glory of the Trinity.
The rosary appeals to many, in its simplicity! The constant repetition of words helps create an atmosphere in which to contemplate the mysteries of God to help our focus on Christ's presence, His forgiveness and Mary's intercession in prayer. We sense that Jesus and Mary are with us in the joys and sorrows of life. We grow in hope that God will bring us to share in the glory of Jesus Eternal Salvation forever.
How much repetition is correct? Why not 100 hail marys in a row? Why not 200? Does saying the rosary over and over make you a better person? NO!

Like most other elements of your belief, catholicism didn't invent or create prayer beads. Long before christiainity was even a term, religious beliefs had praying/prayer beads. Catholicism just jumped on the band wagon with those that came before with THEIR own version.

Nothing UNIQUE about prayer beads.
Human Being

Ragley, LA

#480700 Oct 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Php 4:6 Be careful for nothing;
but
in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
JESUS SAID...
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
COMMENTARY ...JOHN WESLEY
Matthew 6:7
Use not vain repetitions -
To repeat any words without meaning them,
is certainly a vain repetition.
Therefore we should be extremely careful in all our prayers to mean what we say; and
to say only what we mean
from the bottom of our hearts.
The vain and heathenish repetitions which we are here warned against, are most dangerous, and
yet very common;
which is a principal cause why so many, who still profess religion, are a disgrace to it.
Indeed all the words in the world are not equivalent to one holy desire. And
the very best prayers are but vain repetitions,
if they are not the language of the heart.
___
1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God
hath the witness in himself:
he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;
because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the record,
that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and
he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God;
that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and
that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1Jn 5:14 ==> And this is the confidence that we have in him,
that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us,
whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. <==
Peace

Psalm 136

King James Version (KJV)

136 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.

4 To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever.

5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.

7 To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever:

8 The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever:

9 The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

10 To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever:

11 And brought out Israel from among them: for his mercy endureth for ever:

12 With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for his mercy endureth for ever.

13 To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever:

14 And made Israel to pass through the midst of it: for his mercy endureth for ever:

15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever.

16 To him which led his people through the wilderness: for his mercy endureth for ever.

17 To him which smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:

18 And slew famous kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:

19 Sihon king of the Amorites: for his mercy endureth for ever:

20 And Og the king of Bashan: for his mercy endureth for ever:

21 And gave their land for an heritage: for his mercy endureth for ever:

22 Even an heritage unto Israel his servant: for his mercy endureth for ever.

23 Who remembered us in our low estate: for his mercy endureth for ever:

24 And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for his mercy endureth for ever.

25 Who giveth food to all flesh: for his mercy endureth for ever.

26 O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Peace
truth

Perth, Australia

#480701 Oct 7, 2013
dear God
please why they put upsidown cross st.peter in rome

please dear god see
dominik=kini mod chine mod

dear god
pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
Are you for sure I am wrong?
Love your God with your heart and mind!

zenzo is fun funny
sensor is real

dear god
dot to dot
Are you for sure I am wrong?

Where is cylinder?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#480702 Oct 7, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
The bigger question is ...why do you feel it so important to classify me in some "envelope" that fits so neatly in your little paradigm?
Your choices are extremely limited and unrealistic...you do understand that don't you?
~~~
The BIBLE TEACHES

Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen_1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

AS ONE THAT RESPECTS YOU FROM THE ABOVE FACT..that you were made in the image of God..

I lothe to EVEN infer... that you could have come from any other sourse.

OTHER than GOD'S CREATION...

i WOULD NOT ASK YOU IF YOU WERE A

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#480703 Oct 7, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
The BIBLE TEACHES
Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen_1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
AS ONE THAT RESPECTS YOU FROM THE ABOVE FACT..that you were made in the image of God..
I lothe to EVEN infer... that you could have come from any other sourse.
OTHER than GOD'S CREATION...
i WOULD NOT ASK YOU IF YOU WERE AN APE
~~~
I LOTH THE VERY THOUGH OF CALLING ANY ONE AN APE..
~~~
IT WOULD BUT REVEAL... THAT THE QUESTION HAS NOT BEEN FIRST SETTLED IN MY OWN MIND...
AND I WOULD BE CONSIDERING THE POSSIBILITY THAT EVOLUTION MIGHT TRUMP
CREATION...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#480704 Oct 7, 2013
who="Concerned in Brasil" Did the Roman Catholic church give us our Bible?
by Matt Slick
Roman Catholics often say that it was their church that gave us the Bible. They sometimes claim this when defending their "Sacred Tradition" so that they might support extra-biblical teachings such as purgatory, penance, indulgences, and Mary worship. They often say the only way the Christian church knew what books are to be included in the Canon of Scripture was because it was revealed by word-of-mouth in the early church; that is, by the tradition of the Catholic Church.
Unfortunately, this argument implies that tradition is superior to Scripture. Of course, we are not saying that the Roman Catholic church teaches that tradition is above Scripture. But when Sacred Tradition is claimed to be the thing by which Scripture is given, then tradition is inadvertently the thing that gives blessing and approval to the Bible. Heb. 7:7 says, "But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater." The unfortunate psychological effect of saying that Roman Catholic tradition is what gave us the Bible, is that it elevates their tradition to a level far greater than what is permitted in Scripture. In fact, it is contradicted by scripture:
"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other," (1 Cor. 4:6).
cont....

----------

WOW! "THAT YOU MIGHT LEARN NOT TO EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN...in order that NO ONE OF YOU MIGHT BECOME arrogant in behalf of ONE AGAINST ANOTHER !"

km

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Pope Benedict XVI Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Pope challenges Muslims to condemn violence 1 hr QUITTNER Dec 26 2014 4
United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's... (Apr '08) 5 hr Mr Sir 8,718
What Divides Catholics and Protestants? (Apr '08) Dec 23 USA Born 83,901
Pope's role in Cuba deal fractures Cuban-Americ... Dec 23 woodtick57 4
Cuba Deal Is Major Victory for Pope's Diplomati... Dec 22 John 4
Vatican signals new tone on US nuns Dec 21 Raymond F Rice 2
Pope plays key role in Cuba-US policy shift Dec 21 Doc Proper 12
More from around the web