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Dan, the bible supports it. The early Church taught it. I'm just trying to understand whether you think baptism itself, the water and the invocation actually conveys grace or not.
Here is how your debating skills go.
RCC says sun rises in the West all early church fathers unanimously agree.
We post an early church father's quote showing he believed it rises in the East.
Dan, the bible supports it don't ask me where. The early Church taught it not sure who but I can get some cheery picked out of context quotes from new advent if you like. I'm just trying to understand whether you think the sun is hot and conveys heat, please go down this rabbit trail with me as I am trying to avoid the point of your post cause I really can't defend my man made tradition.
LOL you are hoot and that is about it.