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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jan 08

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#479919 Oct 3, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Thanks for the clarification--however--whethe r it was John,
Confrinting Oxbow, you, or any other anti-catholic on this forum my comments apply to "all of you"!! If the shoe fits---which it does to the majority of you bible only "fundies" --wear it!!!!
No one is asking you to "buy into" ANYTHING!! Quite frankly, we, as Catholics "couldn't care less" as to what you believe!.......Your 42,000 + bible only contradicting and inconsistent denominations of "relative truth" (what each one of you decides is the TRUTH) has absolutely no credibility or interest to ANY of us!......... I/we as Catholic "Already" KNOW THE TRUTH of TRUE Bible Interpretation and TRUE Church History, that has been proven, verified and authenticated, over and over and over again for over 2000 years. You "fundies" just keep "spinning your wheels" arguing, complaining, debating with each other and then when you "can't agree with each other" then you "revert" to attacking the TRUE FAITH in Jesus Christ and the Salvation of (any and all Catholics on this forum) especially Anthony, Clay, Regina, Star C and whomever you "fundies" can induce a "ridiculous argument with you" that is a "total waste of time"!!..If you truly believe what you preach, then GO AND LIVE your "half-truth, half-heresy" bible only Christianity in the confines of your own Protestant rebelliousness and defiantness, complaining, bitching and argue with each other.I.we as Catholics will "continue" to remain (as other Catholics have for over 2000 years) with the historical and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and only one) True Apostolic Catholic Church. You, my bible only friends can "DO WHAT YOU WANT"!!
I wouldn't spend a penny looking to find any truth in the rc. thanks anyways.

your church is made up of liars like clay, dummies like clay, smart alecs like reggie, and ignorant tennis bums like you.

Since: Jan 08

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#479920 Oct 3, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Proverbs 11:25
25 A generous person will prosper;
whoever refreshes others will be refreshed.
"Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."
Paul prayed for him.....NOT to him as KM stated....
go back and read it again. Paul neither prayed for him or to him.

The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus.

clay lies when he says that paul prayed for him and so this confuses the issue, which is Paul praying for his household or family

Since: Jan 08

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#479921 Oct 3, 2013
someone is lurking.lol
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479922 Oct 3, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
You said, quote, "Paul prayed for him.....NOT to him as KM stated...." End quote.
Where is it stated in this miracle that Paul either prayed to him or for him.
Acts 20:9-12, 9 "And there was a young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor and was picked up dead. 10 But Paul went down and fell upon him, and after embracing him, he said,“Do not be troubled, for his life is in him.” 11 When he had gone back up and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while until daybreak, and then left. 12 They took away the boy alive, and were greatly comforted."
The name Eutychus means "Good Fortune" i.e. Lucky
Eutychus fell asleep while Paul was preaching....

Proverbs 6:10-11

10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
a little folding of the hands to rest—

11 and poverty will come on you like a thief
and scarcity like an armed man.

Eutychus.....Fortunatus

Psalm 121:2-4

2 My help comes from the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth.

3 He will not let your foot slip-- he who watches over you will not slumber;

4 indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.

*****

Did Paul not believe?

<<<<<Did Paul have the POWER to perform miracles?>>>>>

If Eutychus had not fallen asleep.....we would not have this miracle in the Bible for all to see???

Romans 13:11

11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.

Ephesians 5:14-16

14 This is why it is said:

“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”

15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#479923 Oct 3, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>ay you along with clay cant be successful refuting anyone when it comes to the word of God.
clay can even write a verse down and still be wrong on what it says.
all that I have done is show you people that John very seldom agreed with anything that you catholics said
I talked to John, on the phone, several times. Your fantasy about what he thought is just that...a fantasy, lol. You need to leave him alone, he's got better things to do than be invloved in our petty squabbles.

Speaking of the Word of God, neither you nor Kay, who reject the sacramental nature of baptism (and which John of course agreed with Catholics), are able to explain Gal. 3:27. Why is that?
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#479924 Oct 3, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>go back and read it again. Paul neither prayed for him or to him.
The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus.
clay lies when he says that paul prayed for him and so this confuses the issue, which is Paul praying for his household or family
Is it lying when you say that God placed a fertilized egg in Mary's womb and she was therefore just an incubator, or that Annanias decided on his own to tell St. Paul that baptism would wash away his sins? Or is it just your personal bias trying to change the true meaning of scripture to fit your theology?
Clay

Warwick, RI

#479925 Oct 3, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>show me where Paul is praying for a dead man in these verses.
The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain:
17 But, when he was in Rome, he sought me out very diligently, and found me.
18 The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.
<< Paul's reference to Onesiphorus is sometimes cited by Catholics as an early example of prayer for the dead,[6] while some Protestants opposing this practice reject such an interpretation.[7]
as well we should, unless Paul made the statement that his friend was deceased, a Christian would not add anything to his words,
even tho a catholic will.
Well, as with any verse in the Bible, a sola scripturist can look and see whatever they desire.
The Holy Spirit guides the born agains to truth you say? lol. I don't think so. I read the nightly conversations amongst you all. You can't agree on half the theology, yet you masquerade as being in the same fold?
Onesiphorus is dead. Paul speaks of him as if he's giving his eulogy at his funeral. Past tense.
You have no business telling me any different. I read it and that's what I see.

fyi, it matters not if protestants oppose that verse. Obviously they need to. in fact, they need to oppose LOTS of verses, so they do. I also am aware that some Protestants agree with me that Paul prayed for a deceased man. Now what? Who's to decide?
ReginaM

Bloomfield, NJ

#479926 Oct 3, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Chuck used the term referring to Regina.
Thank you, Anthony. You've always had the backs of your Catholic brothers and sisters on this forum, always standing up for us when we're being unjustly attacked, and I appreciate it so much. For my part, I've always felt that that was important and have tried to do the same ever since coming to this board. Back when there were more Catholics posting here, everyone did. Since John's name has already been brought up, I'll say that he did also. I remember it well and it made a big difference in how we were treated. It all comes down to doing the right thing no matter what anyone thinks of you. Standing up against injustice usually doesn't make one popular, which seems to suddenly be a big concern. Making nice isn't necessarily the same thing as promoting peace. I'm very surprised at one person in particular who is making that mistake. I can't tell you how disappointed how I am in him. I'll leave it at that. God bless you, Anthony. Take care of yourself.
Clay

Warwick, RI

#479927 Oct 3, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Proverbs 11:25
25 A generous person will prosper;
whoever refreshes others will be refreshed.
"Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."
Paul prayed for him.....NOT to him as KM stated....
Thank you for that clarification. Correct, Paul prayed for a dead man. Not to him.
Could you correct Preston on that? He doesn't seem to be interpreting 2Tim 1:16 correctly. Onesiphorus was deceased.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#479928 Oct 3, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't spend a penny looking to find any truth in the rc. thanks anyways.
Then "go live" you bible only (relative truth) beliefs on your own! Makes no difference to ANY of us Catholics!....Howwever--- We will "continue" as billions and billions of other Catholics have for over 2000 years" to remain firmly grounded in the historical and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church at Daily Mass, the TRUE bible interpretation, the Eucharist (Jesus' TRUE body and blood) and the other Sacraments. You atem, can DO WHAT YOU WANT and GO YOUR OWN (opinionated way)!!!
truth

Claremont, Australia

#479929 Oct 3, 2013
in matrix is so long error or evil

zeus or neus

please tell me about Northern constellation Milky way map
my map stay front of me
must be problem engine problem as cylinder head

i drove map

i am not going tell you about what

I don't trust corupt organization.
'N'

https://www.google.com.au/search...

i drove face as very specific as robotic must be very precius as zillion/zillion

i drove mum
yes
I drove something.
ones implemented finish..

mental person can't do that don't you
someone who is very jelouse as well very corupt
liked see or put in trouble

I say to you your law is not my law.

neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrr

now

Which sort of Lord are you?

http://www.egyptianreiki.com/the-ascended-mas...

why we are not perfect
or someone stay on our place
please tell me
Why i am wrong?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#479930 Oct 3, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't spend a penny looking to find any truth in the rc. thanks anyways.
your church is made up of liars like clay, dummies like clay, smart alecs like reggie, and ignorant tennis bums like you.
Name calling seems to be the "only thing" you bible only "fundies"
rely upon when you are "backed up against the wall--with biblical and historical PROVEN, AUTHENTICATED, AND VERIFIABLE TRUTH!
After being raised for over 35 years as a bible only Protestant, I know this to be a FACT!!!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479931 Oct 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, as with any verse in the Bible, a sola scripturist can look and see whatever they desire.
The Holy Spirit guides the born agains to truth you say? lol. I don't think so. I read the nightly conversations amongst you all. You can't agree on half the theology, yet you masquerade as being in the same fold?
Onesiphorus is dead. Paul speaks of him as if he's giving his eulogy at his funeral. Past tense.
You have no business telling me any different. I read it and that's what I see.
fyi, it matters not if protestants oppose that verse. Obviously they need to. in fact, they need to oppose LOTS of verses, so they do. I also am aware that some Protestants agree with me that Paul prayed for a deceased man. Now what? Who's to decide?
Clay,

Paul petitions the Lord that this brother might "find mercy" in "that day," which obviously is the day of Judgment.

If he was dead already, there would be no need to petition God for mercy on his behalf.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#479932 Oct 3, 2013
Skipped a rock.....

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Like concrete... You are all mixed up in your conjecture and
permanently set...

I do not expect you to turn from your deceived
religiosity to the truth of God's word. So go on and believe your
conjecture and hearsay, be Satan's guest.... you are on a slippery
slope that seems right to you and You are gambling your eternal soul
upon it.

The reason I post is to confront with the truth of God's
word.

To show the error of the (so called) Roman Catholic

Church as it is compared to the Word of God.

I believe there are some honest seekers
that will learn the truth.

Others here
are too far gone in their reprobate minds to consider the truth,Only eternity will change your minds.

~~
Skipped a pebble across the sea.

One that walked on Galilee..

The stone that sank,

when he did dare,

Was only saved by Jesus care.

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures,

The stone which the builders rejected, the same is

become the head of the corner:

this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our
eyes?

Is it not strange that the one whom the

Roman Catholic Church on whom they

place their religious foundation....

Had to depend upon Jesus to lift him up from drowning....

What would have happened to their great religious

system if their pebble had sank physically..

As he had spiritually...

Just how many times did Jesus have admonish Peter anyway ?

1.

Mat_16:23 But he/JESUS turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

2.

Mar_14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.

3

.Luk_22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

4.

Mat_14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

5.

Mat_26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

6.

Joh_21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me

6.

Luk_22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Paul also rebuked Peter

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch,

I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

marge

Leesburg, GA

#479933 Oct 3, 2013
Question: "What does the Bible say about praying to / speaking to the dead?"

Answer: Praying to the dead is strictly forbidden in the Bible. Deuteronomy 18:11 tells us that anyone who “consults with the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.” The story of Saul consulting a medium to bring up the spirit of the dead Samuel resulted in his death “because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance”(1 Samuel 28:1-25; 1 Chronicles 10:13-14). Clearly, God has declared that such things are not to be done.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-to-the-de...
marge

Leesburg, GA

#479934 Oct 3, 2013
Question: "What does the Bible say about praying for the dead?"

Answer: Praying for the dead is not a biblical concept. Our prayers have no bearing on someone once he or she has died. The reality is that, at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed. Either he is saved through faith in Christ and is in heaven where he is experiencing rest and joy in God’s presence, or he is in torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar provides us with a vivid illustration of this truth. Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied (Luke 16:19-31).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-for-the-d...

Since: Jan 08

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#479935 Oct 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for that clarification. Correct, Paul prayed for a dead man. Not to him.
Could you correct Preston on that? He doesn't seem to be interpreting 2Tim 1:16 correctly. Onesiphorus was deceased.
Prove it. lets see you show ALL of us where it is written that he is deceased.

and if you can, I will stand corrected.lol

just because over the centuries your church leaders who weren't very smart says so, doesn't make it so.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#479936 Oct 3, 2013
For the Devil, who wishes to destroy all things, or rather to succeed at our spiritual destruction, resorts to the following ruse.

On the one hand, with some, he tries to cover their sins and to make them forget them, so as to create pride in these men.

On the other hand, he constantly exposes the sins of neophytes whose souls have not yet been strengthened before them and exaggerates these sins, so as to drive such neophytes to despair, until they abandon their ascetic efforts.

For this reason, then, these still irresolute souls we must care for with tenderness and remind them continually of the boundless compassion and kindness of God.

Among other things, we must emphasize that our Lord is merciful and long-enduring and that he annuls his righteous judgments against wrong-doers, as long as they surely repent.

To render this teaching of ours convincing, we will bring forth examples from Holy Scripture, which will reveal to the souls of our listeners the endless compassion of the Lord towards those who have sinned and repented.
For example, let us recall that Raab was a prostitute, but was saved through her faith; St.

Paul was a persecutor, but through repentance became a chosen vessel; and the thief who was crucified together with Christ on Golgotha, who had stolen and murdered, first opened the door of Paradise with one word of repentance: "Remember me, Lord, when Thou comest into Thy Kingdom."

Moreover, let us cite the instance of St. Matthew, who was appointed to the Apostolic ranks by the Lord and who, even though a former tax collector, relates the parable of the tax collector as well as that of the Prodigal Son. So in general, let us bring to mind all of the stories in this regard which emphasize the worth of repentance and which extol the compassion of God towards the repentant man.

On the other hand, we must correct those souls who are ruled by pride by providing them with greater examples, just as we give the weaker souls encouragement, so as not to be ruled by despair.

Let us take an example from the work of the best gardeners, who, when they see that a plant is of small stature and sickly, water it profusely and care for it greatly, so that it will grow and be strong; while, when they see in a plant the premature development of sprouts, they immediately trim the useless sprouts, so that the plant does not quickly wither.

Likewise, physicians give rich nourishment to some patients, prescribing that they walk, while to others they give a strict diet and require them to remain at rest.

Excerpts from the Evergetinos Synkletike

Matthew 3:2 - And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Joel 2:13 - And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he [is] gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

Psalms 38:18 - For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin.

Mark 1:4 - John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Psalms 51:7-17 - Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

Psalms 51:1-4 -Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving kindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

Luke 3:3 - And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

Mark 6:12 - And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Psalms 41:4 - I said, LORD, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee.

Job 13:23 - How many [are] mine iniquities and sins? make me to know my transgression and my sin.

Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#479937 Oct 3, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>it was only a theoretical statement, but thank anyway.
as I said I don't trust you at all.
so what do you think about John speaking about your "catholic propaganda"?
The "propaganda" he was referring to was the our claim to the Petrine office, the papacy. I knew, he knew and every Orthodox and Catholic Christian here knew (and still knows) that the Orthodox reject our claim. So what? We agreed to disagree and focused our attention on our, I think he used the 90% figure, shared beliefs about baptism, the Eucharist, confession, the priesthood, the Church fathers, proper biblical interpretation, the authority of the Church, Sacred/Holy Tradition, etc., etc. Again, it's wishful thinking for you to believe he'd be backing you up here.

It's sad preston that the only people you like here are the ones who will continue to stroke your giant ego. I once liked you, but you've preached my eternal damnation one too many times for me to consider you anything more than an arrogant blowhard who thinks he can demean and bully people into submission to your peculiar form of theology. I wish you well, but I think you need lots of spiritual growth which, God willing, you'll experience before you face Him.
truth

Claremont, Australia

#479938 Oct 3, 2013
POSSESSORS AND DECEIVERS

How I can express myself?

Sweet Jesus they playing fun funny games.

How you call dangerous games?

I will try explain.
as face small but long shape of face
must be have light head as looking trough pyramid eye as but as cylinder projection..

map as northern constellation milky way..

who is that that face as i try describe..

please forgive me
i can't sleep
not any more..

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