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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#479117 Sep 29, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Romans 8 http://biblehub.com/niv/romans/8.htm

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History reveals that the advancement of truth comes at a high price, and a majority of people are unwilling to pay the price. It is much more comfortable to remain within the social and religious comforts of fellowship than to follow the Spirit into the desert of rejection where often, you are alone with GOD. The Bible represents people as sheep for good reason. They prefer to flock together. They also tend to follow their leaders (political and religious) without thinking or thoroughly studying matters for themselves. Consider the total sum of religious thought that Hindus, Moslems, Catholics, Jews, Protestants, atheists and pagans believe today. All of these different ideas about GOD came from spiritual leaders who are as blind as the lay people they guide.(Matthew 23:16)
Humanity’s diversity in religious beliefs proves that people are capable of believing anything and everything. Our diversity also proves that our belief systems have nothing to do with Eternal Truth. Even though Catholics and Protestants insist their views come directly from Scripture, a cursory review of Scripture can demonstrate otherwise. Truth is not determined by a majority vote or acceptance. Thoughtfully consider these words: "Truth is not what I believe. Truth is not even what I know. Truth is fact. I may not believe it. I may not know it. That does not change it. It is there nevertheless, waiting to be discovered and believed. Truth does not depend on the unsettled and changing opinions of men. It was truth before it was believed. It remains truth whether it is believed or not. Reason does not originate or create it. It merely discovers it. Consequently, reason is not a source. Truth goes back beyond reason. Others would have us believe that the church is the source of authority, particularly in matters of theology. They are wrong. The church is the product of Truth. It does not originate it. It came into being by accepting Divine Revelation. It is not the source of that revelation. Truth goes beyond the church, it is antecedent to it."
(When a Man Dies, Carlyle B. Haynes (1882-1958); p.5)
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This is a rich quote. There is a lot to digest.One of the nest. Thanx.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479118 Sep 29, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
Baltimore Catechism No. 3 Discusses Limbo Article Whatever Happened to Limbo?
Source:America National Catholic Review
http://americamagazine.org/issue/365/article/...
Though limbo was never officially defined in any church council or document, it became, like other unchallenged elements of the Christian worldview, a part of the common teaching and almost universal catechesis of the church. Since the late 19th century, IT WAS WRITTEN ON THE PSYCHE OF EVERY YOUNG CATHOLIC THROUGH THE BALTIMORE CATECHISM. FOR EXAMPLE, BALTIMORE CATECHISM NO. 3 STATES, WITH ITS USUAL AIR OF CERTAINTY: PERSONS, SUCH AS INFANTS, WHO HAVE NOT COMMITTED ACTUAL SIN AND WHO, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIRS, DIE WITHOUT BAPTISM, CANNOT ENTER HEAVEN; BUT IT IS THE COMMON BELIEF THEY WILL GO TO SOME PLACE SIMILAR TO LIMBO, WHERE THEY WILL BE FREE FROM SUFFERING, THOUGH DEPRIVED OF THE HAPPINESS OF HEAVEN (Q. 632). Most Catholics, of course, made no distinction between defined doctrines and what appeared in the catechism. It was all church teaching, to be accepted without question.
Limbo never been a defined part of the faith but being taught in Catholic schools through the 1950s.
Article: Catholic Church Casts Aside Theory On State Of Limbo
Refers to: Monsignor William H. Shannon of Rochester, N.Y: Jesuit weekly magazine America
THAT THINKING IS AN ABOUT-FACE FROM WHAT WAS BEING TAUGHT IN CATHOLIC SCHOOLS THROUGH THE 1950S.
"Limbo has never been a defined part of the faith. There has never been a dogmatic definition of limbo," said the Rev. Richard P. McBrien, a priest from Hartford who teaches theology at the University of Notre Dame and author of "Catholicism," a summary of church teaching.
Exactly ..Babies,without Baptism went o LIMBO
..nice place ..no Jesus

Thanks

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#479119 Sep 29, 2013
Just for clarification, I do not attack the Catholic Church. My comments, based on critical thinking, reason, logic,the best of my spiritual understanding
are directed at some abusive and exploitative Catholics here that defile the Deposit of Faith, the hierarchy when it enables falsehood and evil,and any institution or person when they minimize,revise history, lie,misquote doublespeak, propagandize, and elevate themselves with pride.

On the other hand I respect any Catholic clergy, layman, or theologian who truly practices their faith
to be closer to Christ, not to diminish others.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479121 Sep 29, 2013
Ok it's,a,bit quiet ..Thank God .

I'd really like to know, from others,..And,since this has,not happened ...it's,interpretation ..

Who is the woman in Revelation .12 I thought either

ISRAEL or Mary
WOUld be answers given

There is probably reasons for both beliefs,
,

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#479122 Sep 29, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly ..Babies,without Baptism went o LIMBO
..nice place ..no Jesus
Thanks
Don't you believe Jesus if everywhere???

To help you understand ...

"Now it may confidently be said that, as the result of centuries of speculation on the subject, we ought to believe that these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness; and this is what Catholics usually mean when they speak of the limbus infantium, the "children's limbo."

Limbo = Limbus patrum

Though it can hardly be claimed, on the evidence of extant literature, that a definite and consistent belief in the limbus patrum of Christian tradition was universal among the Jews, it cannot on the other hand be denied that, more especially in the extra-canonical writings of the second or first centuries B.C., some such belief finds repeated expression; and New Testament references to the subject remove all doubt as to the current Jewish belief in the time of Christ. Whatever name may be used in apocryphal Jewish literature to designate the abode of the departed just, the implication generally is
that their condition is one of happiness,
that it is temporary, and
that it is to be replaced by a condition of final and permanent bliss when the Messianic Kingdom is established.
In the New Testament, Christ refers by various names and figures to the place or state which Catholic tradition has agreed to call the limbus patrum. In Matthew 8:11, it is spoken of under the figure of a banquet "with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven" (cf. Luke 8:29; 14:15), and in Matthew 25:10 under the figure of a marriage feast to which the prudent virgins are admitted, while in the parable of Lazarus and Dives it is called "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22) and in Christ's words to the penitent thief on Calvary the name paradise is used (Luke 23:43). St. Paul teaches (Ephesians 4:9) that before ascending into Heaven Christ "also descended first into the lower parts of the earth," and St. Peter still more explicitly teaches that "being put to death indeed, in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit," Christ went and "preached to those souls that were in prison, which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noah" (1 Peter 3:18-20).

It is principally on the strength of these Scriptural texts, harmonized with the general doctrine of the Fall and Redemption of mankind, that Catholic tradition has defended the existence of the limbus patrum as a temporary state or place of happiness distinct from Purgatory. As a result of the Fall, Heaven was closed against men. Actual possession of the beatific vision was postponed, even for those already purified from sin, until the Redemption should have been historically completed by Christ's visible ascendancy into Heaven. Consequently, the just who had lived under the Old Dispensation, and who, either at death or after a course of purgatorial discipline, had attained the perfect holiness required for entrance into glory, were obliged to await the coming of the Incarnate Son of God and the full accomplishment of His visible earthly mission. Meanwhile they were "in prison," as St. Peter says; but, as Christ's own words to the penitent thief and in the parable of Lazarus clearly imply, their condition was one of happiness, notwithstanding the postponement of the higher bliss to which they looked forward. And this, substantially, is all that Catholic tradition teaches regarding the limbus patrum.
Limbus infantium

The New Testament contains no definite statement of a positive kind regarding the lot of those who die in original sin without being burdened with grievous personal guilt. But, by insisting on the absolute necessity of being "born again of water and the Holy Ghost" (John 3:5) for entry into the kingdom of Heaven 5:12 sqq.).

Source Catholic Encyclopedia

To be continued

[i'll give you a few days to study, lol]

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#479123 Sep 29, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
Ok it's,a,bit quiet ..Thank God .
I'd really like to know, from others,..And,since this has,not happened ...it's,interpretation ..
Who is the woman in Revelation .12 I thought either
ISRAEL or Mary
WOUld be answers given
There is probably reasons for both beliefs,
,
there may be two beliefs but one of them must be INCORRECT.

this is a brief history of the nation of Israel, nothing else.

people are LYING when the claim may as this woman.

for instance, mary never fled into the wilderness,

joseph took her and the child into Egypt and Egypt was never considered the "wilderness"

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

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#479124 Sep 29, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
That's really my only objection as well, her insistence that the her understanding, or lack thereof, is correct and that the Church changed everything since she went to school. Well, that and calling popes "kings", and that God ordained the chaos of Protestantism. Even after several of us correct her, she continues to post to anyone and everyone that the Church now forces everyone to believe in evolution upon pain of sin and has completely changed the Book of Genesis, or that the "doctrine of limbo" has been changed on the Pope's whim, etc. Otherwise, no problem.
I don't recall telling her she wasn't Catholic either. I do know I questioned it and have always thought her understanding of what she says she was taught is very limited. I also remember coming to her defense once, saying that I thought she was sincere, albeit sincerely wrong. But that was ignored. Why am I not surprised? lol...ah, well.
What irritates me is she tries to tell us what we believe and what the Church teaches. She does not know the difference between Dogma, doctrine and tradition with and without a capital “T’.
[2 Thess 2:15]

I'm thinking she might have been Catholic in name only.[Pelosi style, lol] From her story as she posted here, her childhood was not ideal. Her teachings might have been 'clouded' just picked up a few lessons here and there.
Methinks that's the whole problem.
May our Lord bring her truth, lets pray for that.:)
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479125 Sep 29, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
Ok it's,a,bit quiet ..Thank God .
I'd really like to know, from others,..And,since this has,not happened ...it's,interpretation ..
Who is the woman in Revelation .12 I thought either
ISRAEL or Mary
WOUld be answers given
There is probably reasons for both beliefs,
,
The faithful from the Nation of Israel....woman is representative as the bride of God....the church today is the bride of Christ...

Romans 7:4

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479126 Sep 29, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you believe Jesus if everywhere???
To help you understand ...
"Now it may confidently be said that, as the result of centuries of speculation on the subject, we ought to believe that these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness; and this is what Catholics usually mean when they speak of the limbus infantium, the "children's limbo."
Limbo = Limbus patrum
Though it can hardly be claimed, on the evidence of extant literature, that a definite and consistent belief in the limbus patrum of Christian tradition was universal among the Jews, it cannot on the other hand be denied that, more especially in the extra-canonical writings of the second or first centuries B.C., some such belief finds repeated expression; and New Testament references to the subject remove all doubt as to the current Jewish belief in the time of Christ. Whatever name may be used in apocryphal Jewish literature to designate the abode of the departed just, the implication generally is
that their condition is one of happiness,
that it is temporary, and
that it is to be replaced by a condition of final and permanent bliss when the Messianic Kingdom is established.
In the New Testament, Christ refers by various names and figures to the place or state which Catholic tradition has agreed to call the limbus patrum. In Matthew 8:11, it is spoken of under the figure of a banquet "with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven" (cf. Luke 8:29; 14:15), and in Matthew 25:10 under the figure of a marriage feast to which the prudent virgins are admitted, while in the parable of Lazarus and Dives it is called "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22) and in Christ's words to the penitent thief on Calvary the name paradise is used (Luke 23:43). St. Paul teaches (Ephesians 4:9) that before ascending into Heaven Christ "also descended first into the lower parts of the earth," and St. Peter still more explicitly teaches that "being put to death indeed, in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit," Christ went and "preached to those souls that were in prison, which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noah" (1 Peter 3:18-20).
It is principally on the strength of these Scriptural texts, harmonized with the general doctrine of the Fall and Redemption of mankind, that Catholic tradition has defended the existence of the limbus patrum as a temporary state or place of happiness distinct from Purgatory. As a result of the Fall, Heaven was closed against men. Actual possession of the beatific vision was postponed, even for those already purified from sin, until the Redemption should have been historically completed by Christ's visible ascendancy into Heaven. Consequently, the just who had lived under the Old Dispensation, and who, either at death or after a course of purgatorial discipline, had attained the perfect holiness required for entrance into glory, were obliged to await the coming of the Incarnate Son of God and the full accomplishment of His visible earthly mission. Meanwhile they were "in prison," as St. Peter says; but, as Christ's own words to the penitent thief and in the parable of Lazarus clearly imply, their condition was one of happiness, notwithstanding the postponement of the higher bliss to which they looked forward. And this, substantially, is all that Catholic tradition teaches regarding the limbus patrum.
Limbus infantium
The New Testament contains no definite statement of a positive kind regarding the lot of those who die in original sin without being burdened with grievous personal guilt. But, by insisting on the absolute necessity of being "born again of water and the Holy Ghost" (John 3:5) for entry into the kingdom of Heaven 5:12 sqq.).
Source Catholic Encyclopedia
To be continued
[i'll give you a few days to study, lol]
Sorry Star.....original sin is a man-made tradition and was validated or justified by a man-made doctrine.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479129 Sep 29, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you believe Jesus if everywhere???
To help you understand ...
"Now it may confidently be said that, as the result of centuries of speculation on the subject, we ought to believe that these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness; and this is what Catholics usually mean when they speak of the limbus infantium, the "children's limbo."
Limbo = Limbus patrum
Though it can hardly be claimed, on the evidence of extant literature, that a definite and consistent belief in the limbus patrum of Christian tradition was universal among the Jews, it cannot on the other hand be denied that, more especially in the extra-canonical writings of the second or first centuries B.C., some such belief finds repeated expression; and New Testament references to the subject remove all doubt as to the current Jewish belief in the time of Christ. Whatever name may be used in apocryphal Jewish literature to designate the abode of the departed just, the implication generally is
that their condition is one of happiness,
that it is temporary, and
that it is to be replaced by a condition of final and permanent bliss when the Messianic Kingdom is established.
In the New Testament, Christ refers by various names and figures to the place or state which Catholic tradition has agreed to call the limbus patrum. In Matthew 8:11, it is spoken of under the figure of a banquet "with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven" (cf. Luke 8:29; 14:15), and in Matthew 25:10 under the figure of a marriage feast to which the prudent virgins are admitted, while in the parable of Lazarus and Dives it is called "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22) and in Christ's words to the penitent thief on Calvary the name paradise is used (Luke 23:43). St. Paul teaches (Ephesians 4:9) that before ascending into Heaven Christ "also descended first into the lower parts of the earth," and St. Peter still more explicitly teaches that "being put to death indeed, in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit," Christ went and "preached to those souls that were in prison, which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noah" (1 Peter 3:18-20).
It is principally on the strength of these Scriptural texts, harmonized with the general doctrine of the Fall and Redemption of mankind, that Catholic tradition has defended the existence of the limbus patrum as a temporary state or place of happiness distinct from Purgatory. As a result of the Fall, Heaven was closed against men. Actual possession of the beatific vision was postponed, even for those already purified from sin, until the Redemption should have been historically completed by Christ's visible ascendancy into Heaven. Consequently, the just who had lived under the Old Dispensation, and who, either at death or after a course of purgatorial discipline, had attained the perfect holiness required for entrance into glory, were obliged to await the coming of the Incarnate Son of God and the full accomplishment of His visible earthly mission. Meanwhile they were "in prison," as St. Peter says; but, as Christ's own words to the penitent thief and in the parable of Lazarus clearly imply, their condition was one of happiness, notwithstanding the postponement of the higher bliss to which they looked forward. And this, substantially, is all that Catholic tradition teaches regarding the limbus patrum.
Limbus infantium

(snipped for space)
1 Corinthians 15:20-23

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

21 For since death (PHYSICAL) came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.(SPIRITUAL)

22 For as in Adam all die,(PHYSICAL) so in Christ all will be made alive.(SPIRITUAL)

23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479130 Sep 29, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you believe Jesus if everywhere???
To help you understand ...
"Now it may confidently be said that, as the result of centuries of speculation on the subject, we ought to believe that these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness; and this is what Catholics usually mean when they speak of the limbus infantium, the "children's limbo."
Limbo = Limbus patrum
Though it can hardly be claimed, on the evidence of extant literature, that a definite and consistent belief in the limbus patrum of Christian tradition was universal among the Jews, it cannot on the other hand be denied that, more especially in the extra-canonical writings of the second or first centuries B.C., some such belief finds repeated expression; and New Testament references to the subject remove all doubt as to the current Jewish belief in the time of Christ. Whatever name may be used in apocryphal Jewish literature to designate the abode of the departed just, the implication generally is
that their condition is one of happiness,
that it is temporary, and
that it is to be replaced by a condition of final and permanent bliss when the Messianic Kingdom is established.
In the New Testament, Christ refers by various names and figures to the place or state which Catholic tradition has agreed to call the limbus patrum. In Matthew 8:11, it is spoken of under the figure of a banquet "with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven" (cf. Luke 8:29; 14:15), and in Matthew 25:10 under the figure of a marriage feast to which the prudent virgins are admitted, while in the parable of Lazarus and Dives it is called "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22) and in Christ's words to the penitent thief on Calvary the name paradise is used (Luke 23:43). St. Paul teaches (Ephesians 4:9) that before ascending into Heaven Christ "also descended first into the lower parts of the earth," and St. Peter still more explicitly teaches that "being put to death indeed, in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit," Christ went and "preached to those souls that were in prison, which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noah" (1 Peter 3:18-20).
It is principally on the strength of these Scriptural texts, harmonized with the general doctrine of the Fall and Redemption of mankind, that Catholic tradition has defended the existence of the limbus patrum as a temporary state or place of happiness distinct from Purgatory. As a result of the Fall, Heaven was closed against men. Actual possession of the beatific vision was postponed, even for those already purified from sin, until the Redemption should have been historically completed by Christ's visible ascendancy into Heaven. Consequently, the just who had lived under the Old Dispensation, and who, either at death or after a course of purgatorial discipline, had attained the perfect holiness required for entrance into glory, were obliged to await the coming of the Incarnate Son of God and the full accomplishment of His visible earthly mission.

The New Testament contains no definite statement of a positive kind regarding the lot of those who die in original sin without being burdened with grievous personal guilt. But, by insisting on the absolute necessity of being "born again of water and the Holy Ghost" (John 3:5) for entry into the kingdom of Heaven 5:12 sqq.).
Source Catholic Encyclopedia
To be continued

(snipped for space)
1 Corinthians 15:20-23

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

21 For since death (PHYSICAL) came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.(SPIRITUAL)

22 For as in Adam all die,(PHYSICAL) so in Christ all will be made alive.(SPIRITUAL)

23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.(SPIRITUAL)
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479131 Sep 29, 2013
sorry for the double posts

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#479132 Sep 29, 2013

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#479133 Sep 29, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
The faithful from the Nation of Israel....woman is representative as the bride of God....the church today is the bride of Christ...
Romans 7:4
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
again, I want to apologize to you Hank. my mind was on the ignorance of Robert and I didn't look very close at your nick. Sorry.
but in this instance, this "woman" is not the church since the church Never birthed Jesus and we know tat jesus Birthed the church not vice versa.
here is the Correct version and scenario of this vision.

Revelation 12 - The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon



A. The woman.



1.(1) The woman is described in celestial images.



Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.



a. Now a great sign appeared: This is the first of seven signs that John relates, and is described as a great sign (mega semeion). In Revelation chapters 12, 13, and 14 the main figures of the Great Tribulation are described, and this great sign introduces the first of the seven:



· The woman, representing Israel

· The dragon, representing Satan

· The man-child, referring to Jesus

· The angel Michael, head of the angelic host

· The offspring of the woman, representing Gentiles who come to faith in the Tribulation

· The beast out of the sea, representing the antichrist

· The beast out of the earth, representing the false prophet who promotes the antichrist



b. A woman clothed with the sun: Because John plainly says this is a sign, we don’t expect this woman to appear literally on the earth. God will use this sign to communicate something to John and to us. Women often represent religious systems in Revelation.


http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/6612...
Gods R Delusions

Orlando, FL

#479134 Sep 29, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Please don't presume to lecture me about using tragedy to attack while you've made a career of standing on the shoulders of victims for years in an attempt to attack the Church and her members. You don't care one whit about those people in Pakistan or those victims, so please stop using them to attack *me*. If I was Mother Teresa, you'd be just as snide. Oh, wait, you already were when you attacked her numerous times in the past. Just as I predicted, nothing more than another snotty reply from you. So sincere...a sincere hypocrite. Go take Jane out for a drink, I'm sure he could use one right about now.
I can feel the inner peace and love that those perfect teachings on faith and morals bring you.

Real insights into tragedy... and Mother Teresa too.

Thank you as always for your kind words - a true reflection of your faith.

On a Sunday too, right on cue!

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479135 Sep 29, 2013
StarC wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you believe Jesus if everywhere???
To help you understand ...
"Now it may confidently be said that, as the result of centuries of speculation on the subject, we ought to believe that these souls enjoy and wChristian tradition was universal among the Jews, it cannot on the other hand be denied that, more especially in the extra-canonical writings of the second or first centuries B.C., some such belief finds repeated expression; and New Testament references to the subject remove all doubt as to the current Jewish belief in the time of Christ. Whatever name may be used in apocryphal Jewish literature to designate the abode of the departed just, the implication generally is
that their condition is one of happiness,
that it is temporary, and
that it is to be replaced by a condition of final and permanent bliss when the Messianic Kingdom is established.
In the New Testament, Christ refers by various names and figures to the place or state which Catholic tradition has agreed to call the limbus patrum. In Matthew 8:11, it is spoken of under the figure of a banquet "with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven" (cf. Luke 8:29; 14:15), and in Matthew 25:10 under the figure of a marriage feast to which the prudent virgins are admitted, while in the parable of Lazarus and Dives it is called "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22) and in Christ'm as a temporary state or place of happine, and who, either at death or after a course of purgatorial discipline, had attained the perfect holiness required fhe penitent thief and in the parable of Lazarus clearly imply, their condition was one of happiness, notwithstanding the postponement of the higher bliss to which they looked forward. And this, substantially, is all that Catholic tradition teaches regarding the limbus patrum.
Limbus infantium
The New Testament contains no definite statement of a positive kind regarding the lot of those who die in original sin without being burdened with grievous personal guilt. But, by insisting on the absolute necessity of being "born again of water and the Holy Ghost" (John 3:5) for entry into the kingdom of Heaven 5:12 sqq.).
Source Catholic Encyclopedia
To be continued
[i'll give you a few days to study, lol]
Good grief
STAR,

all I said is,I was,taught LIMBO was,a,place babies went if not baptized . Just no JESUS,..not heaven ..we were,Kids,NO DEEP theology ..just simple,LIMBO was,taught...not what exactly the belief qualified
Or what it was called ..technically

.I don't need,a,lesson ..But thanks,as,I don't BELieve in it anyway
Babies born and unborn who die,are,with JESUS,..as,He said for he CHILDREN to come to Him ..His,death paid for Sin ..period ..And on their own they did NOT SIN ..their souls are with Him.

The,JEWS IN THE OTHER HAND HAD,SHEOL or Abrahams,bosom ..for good Jews who died before,Jesus came ..

IS,it still there,for Jews who faithfully worship Yahweh God ..I don't know,..But no babies,
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#479136 Sep 29, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>again, I want to apologize to you Hank. my mind was on the ignorance of Robert and I didn't look very close at your nick. Sorry.
but in this instance, this "woman" is not the church since the church Never birthed Jesus and we know tat jesus Birthed the church not vice versa.
here is the Correct version and scenario of this vision.
Revelation 12 - The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon
A. The woman.
1.(1) The woman is described in celestial images.
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.
a. Now a great sign appeared: This is the first of seven signs that John relates, and is described as a great sign (mega semeion). In Revelation chapters 12, 13, and 14 the main figures of the Great Tribulation are described, and this great sign introduces the first of the seven:
· The woman, representing Israel
· The dragon, representing Satan
· The man-child, referring to Jesus
· The angel Michael, head of the angelic host
· The offspring of the woman, representing Gentiles who come to faith in the Tribulation
· The beast out of the sea, representing the antichrist
· The beast out of the earth, representing the false prophet who promotes the antichrist
b. A woman clothed with the sun: Because John plainly says this is a sign, we don’t expect this woman to appear literally on the earth. God will use this sign to communicate something to John and to us. Women often represent religious systems in Revelation.
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/6612...
What happened Preston? Your comments was not for me, they were for Robert?

Oh, ok....not a problem....

Agree with your comments....

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#479137 Sep 29, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>there may be two beliefs but one of them must be INCORRECT.
this is a brief history of the nation of Israel, nothing else.
people are LYING when the claim may as this woman.
for instance, mary never fled into the wilderness,
joseph took her and the child into Egypt and Egypt was never considered the "wilderness"
So you BELieve it's,Israel ..???

That's how you read it ..

Thanks,..
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#479138 Sep 29, 2013
The Roman Catholic Church has historically taught that embryos, fetuses, or infants that die before being baptized may suffer one of two fates in the afterlife:

1. Because they suffer from original sin, they will end up being tortured in Hell for all eternity. On the bright side, many church theologians suggest that they might suffer a lighter degree of pain than adults who died in mortal sin. However, their punishment will still be infinite in nature because it will last forever without any hope of cessation.

2. Because they suffer from original sin but not from any sin that they have personally committed, they will spend eternity in Limbo -- a pleasant place where they will never mature into adulthood.
In recent decades, some Catholic theologians have departed from the Church's traditional position and suggested that unbaptized infants, etc. may somehow attain salvation and thus be accepted into Heaven.

The current Catechism states that there is a possibility that this might happen. A document issued by the Church's International Theological Commission and approved by Pope Paul XVI states that there are "... serious theological and liturgical grounds" for hope in their eventual salvation.

The Roman Catholic church's position on Limbo seems to remain in limbo.

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#479139 Sep 29, 2013
StarC wrote:
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What irritates me is she tries to tell us what we believe and what the Church teaches. She does not know the difference between Dogma, doctrine and tradition with and without a capital “T’.
[2 Thess 2:15]
I'm thinking she might have been Catholic in name only.[Pelosi style, lol] From her story as she posted here, her childhood was not ideal. Her teachings might have been 'clouded' just picked up a few lessons here and there.
Methinks that's the whole problem.
May our Lord bring her truth, lets pray for that.:)
First off I'm right here . I can read ..no false witness please

.I have never said,what you believe ..Now

I said what I WAS,TAUGHT .. You don't know,things,were,different in the fifties,..wow,

Go to a,Latin Mass and tell me it's the same one you go to now,.

Why is it so important to insult me calling me like,Pelosi

You have no idea,what my life was,..those,nuns helped raise Me ..

Let it go ...believe how you BElieve

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