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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 673120 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479033 Sep 29, 2013
Isaiah 9:6; Psalm 2:1–12—His nature will be both God and man, and he will be the Son of God.
Isaiah 35:5, 6—He will perform miracles.
Psalm 41:9; Zechariah 11:11–13—He will be betrayed by a friend for thirty pieces of silver.
Zechariah 9:9—He will enter Jerusalem on the back of a donkey being proclaimed as the Messiah and King.
Isaiah 50:6, 52:14—He will be beaten, scourged and tortured by the Jews.
Isaiah 53:7—He will be silent before his accusers.
Psalm 22:6–8—He will be crucified.
Isaiah 53:8, 12—He will be killed.
Isaiah 53:4—6 , 12—He will suffer and die for the sins of the world.
Isaiah 49:6—He will be a source of salvation to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 53:9—He will be buried in a rich man’s tomb
Psalm 16:10—He will be raised from the dead.
There is only one man in history who was a Jew; a direct descendant of King David; born in Bethlehem before 70 A.D.; claimed to be the Son of God and Messiah; performed miracles; entered Jerusalem on the back of a donkey being proclaimed as King; was betrayed by a friend for thirty pieces of silver; was scourged, beaten, spat upon and tortured by the Jews; was silent in his sufferings; suffered death by crucifixion; reportedly died for the sins of the world; was buried in a rich man’s tomb and three days later was reported to be resurrected. His name is Jesus Christ.

The canonical Scriptures whose prophecies are thus fulfilled in Christ are God’s inspired revelation to man. This is the testimony of the Bible to itself and the testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ. As such they must be authoritative in all matters of faith.

***

Given the authority of the canonical Scriptures, it is essential to ascertain what documents should be included within them. Here, too, there is an important disagreement between the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Church, because Rome includes the Apocrypha as part of the Old Testament canon. The term Apocrypha describes a group of fourteen or fifteen documents, written between the second century B.C. and the time of Christ. The Church of Rome has included twelve of these in the canon of the Old Testament. In particular those writings included by Rome are—The Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Tobit, Judith, I and II Maccabees, Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah, Additions to Esther, Prayer of Azariah, Susanna, and Bel and the Dragon. The Roman Church has to hold on to the notion of the direct inspiration of the Apocrypha because, as we will see later, some of its distinctive doctrines, including the existence of purgatory, hang on particular interpretations of texts found Only in the apocryphal books. If it can be shown that these books were not accepted by the early Church as part of the legitimate scriptural canon, then the legitimacy of these distinctive Roman doctrines is destroyed.

cont... at http://www.the-highway.com/scripture1_Webster...
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#479034 Sep 29, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey dumbie Jesus does not lie, Adam and Eve were real 7000 years ago plus or minus, Science has debunked Macro Evolution.
Nobody knows How long Adam Eve were in the Garden before the curse of death came upon them if the earth is old apparently for some time remember time was not measured until after the fall by Men as we did not age until the curse and death entered the world.
Yea of little faith.
However they say the earth is old because of Macro Evolution that is false each unproved theory is used to prove the other, its like your RCC assertions. Its all circular reasoning.
You started out your reply to me, "Hey dumbie", then you preceded to tell Adam and Eve were 7,000 yrs old. Yet, we find humans were much much much older than that.
How can you say time wasn't measured until Adam and Eve sinned? Let me give you a quick lesson... The Earth spins on its axis and the Sun 'rises' from the east and sets in the west. One full turn of the Earth is one day. The Earth orbits the Sun, this takes 365 days. The Moon orbits the Earth, this takes 27 days. During this time, with or without human inhabitants, all life gets old and dies. Animals, trees, fish, they all age and die. This Earth, since God created it, gets old. You do not need human sin to cause time. Time is the result of the Physiology of how God put together this planet.
It's a huge setback when the world thinks of Christians as the fundie ignorant flock that you belong to. Basically, you won't win converts if you require them to be stupid. You'll make Atheist out of them.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479035 Sep 29, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you on a Catholic forum? Do you want to come back to the faith or do you want to harass Catholics?
This is not a Catholic Forum.

It is Secular Forum hosted by Topix, and this particular thread is about the RCC but was not created by a RC.

If you don't know what you are talking about and you don't its best you turn your computer off take a deep breath and read your bible and pray.

Not stop harassing people here as you don't even now where you are.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#479036 Sep 29, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
Any claim that such belief in Scripture was created by Paul and the other disciples must also be rejected. It is the express teaching of Jesus Christ himself. Christianity is founded upon the person and work of the Lord Jesus Chri
cont..
-Could you provide a list of Books that Jesus gave us when he commanded His Apostles to compile a Bible for the sole source of authority on His Ministry?

-Also, if the Bible interprets itself, how come the elder of the compound that wrote this essay is interpreting it. He's telling everyone what the Bible is saying. But many disagree with him - including non-Catholics. So what do you do with this dilemma?
You've got two born agains who can't agree on scripture meanings. Who's the authority to determine what God's will is?

- Also, scripture is not the only thing. If it is, could you provide a verse that says it is? You can't tell me what you think a verse is saying, because then you're interpreting it. Scripture ALONE is the what I'm looking for.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479037 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You started out your reply to me, "Hey dumbie", then you preceded to tell Adam and Eve were 7,000 yrs old. Yet, we find humans were much much much older than that.
How can you say time wasn't measured until Adam and Eve sinned? Let me give you a quick lesson... The Earth spins on its axis and the Sun 'rises' from the east and sets in the west. One full turn of the Earth is one day. The Earth orbits the Sun, this takes 365 days. The Moon orbits the Earth, this takes 27 days. During this time, with or without human inhabitants, all life gets old and dies. Animals, trees, fish, they all age and die. This Earth, since God created it, gets old. You do not need human sin to cause time. Time is the result of the Physiology of how God put together this planet.
It's a huge setback when the world thinks of Christians as the fundie ignorant flock that you belong to. Basically, you won't win converts if you require them to be stupid. You'll make Atheist out of them.
Who says they are much older same ones that say a fetus is not a human and its ok to abort?? How do they measure it by Geology that assumes Marco Evolution is fact not a disproved theory? A. Yes.

Wake up either you believe or you don't in the Word of God you can't be half pregnant Jesus does not allow you to pick and choose as you see fit now who is truly the infalliable authority unto himself? A you.

If no one in the Garden dumb dumb counted the revolutions i.e. kept track of them then time was not being measured, its still rotating I never said it was not.

I take my leave of you clay you are stupid, not an insult, not name calling simply a fact you need to get educated on the basics which is clear has not happened yet.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#479039 Sep 29, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not a Catholic Forum.
It is Secular Forum hosted by Topix, and this particular thread is about the RCC but was not created by a RC.
If you don't know what you are talking about and you don't its best you turn your computer off take a deep breath and read your bible and pray.
Not stop harassing people here as you don't even now where you are.
This IS a Catholic forum. The title of this thread is a lie. The CATHOLIC Church never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican'.
Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite.
Therefore, it wouldn't make sense if the Vatican said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church, because there are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true. It would be mean to say we are more 'truer' than them. Have you ever seen the Byzantine rite Mass? It's beautiful.

You can always tell a fundie essay by how many times they use the word Roman. They get fixated on that title because it better fits with their ideology. The Catholic Church does not call itself Roman Catholic and never has, unless they are announcing something concerning the diocese of Rome or the Roman missal. But never in announcing the Catholic Church as a whole.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479040 Sep 29, 2013
-Could you provide a list of Books that Jesus gave us when he commanded His Apostles to compile a Bible for the sole source of authority on His Ministry?

A. Yes its the one the HOLY SPIRIT revealed in the 1st and 2nd century to the first believers as Jesus said would happen when he said he would send the Spirit after he left.

-Also, if the Bible interprets itself, how come the elder of the compound that wrote this essay is interpreting it. He's telling everyone what the Bible is saying. But many disagree with him - including non-Catholics. So what do you do with this dilemma?
You've got two born agains who can't agree on scripture meanings.
A. NO one said not I or anyone else that the Bible interprets itself that is your made up idea.
Who's the authority to determine what God's will is?

A. the Holy Spirit.

- Also, scripture is not the only thing. If it is, could you provide a verse that says it is? You can't tell me what you think a verse is saying, because then you're interpreting it. Scripture ALONE is the what I'm looking for.

Could you provide a verse that says it isn't, As Jesus the Apostles and early Church fathers only used scripture to make dogma also why if you are disciple follower of Jesus do you follow the ways of men and not the example set forth in Scripture you know where we find how Jesus did it.
Have a nice day
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#479041 Sep 29, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Who says they are much older same ones that say a fetus is not a human and its ok to abort?? How do they measure it by Geology that assumes Marco Evolution is fact not a disproved theory? A. Yes.
Wake up either you believe or you don't in the Word of God you can't be half pregnant Jesus does not allow you to pick and choose as you see fit now who is truly the infalliable authority unto himself? A you.
If no one in the Garden dumb dumb counted the revolutions i.e. kept track of them then time was not being measured, its still rotating I never said it was not.
I take my leave of you clay you are stupid, not an insult, not name calling simply a fact you need to get educated on the basics which is clear has not happened yet.
lol. Ok, I see I got to you. Sorry man. You fundie's give yourself away by how snotty you get when you are backed in a corner; trying to sustain a lie. It's not easy to force yourself into ignorance.
The Earth is 5,000 yrs old. Men are 5,000 yrs old. The Bible fell out of the sky. The Apostles forgot to explain it properely; their Disciples immediately screwed up the truth; truth was held hostage for 1600 yrs by the Roman Empire Catholic Barbarian faith. Once the Book was printed, people could see how the CC had it all wrong for so long; then they split to have the true deposit of faith,(which is their interpretations of scripture!) But wait, that wasn't exactly what Jesus wanted, so he got the born again movement to evolve from the origional Protestants, and now, finally, after 1800 yrs, he can bring the truth to humanity by using you, Preston, Confrint and Oldg, by your careful deciphering of 66 Books of sacred scripture, we now can see what Christ initially wanted for His Ministry!!
If your radical scenario is truth, then Jesus is a fraud and Christianity is a joke.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479042 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
This IS a Catholic forum. The title of this thread is a lie. The CATHOLIC Church never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican'.
Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite.
Therefore, it wouldn't make sense if the Vatican said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church, because there are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true. It would be mean to say we are more 'truer' than them. Have you ever seen the Byzantine rite Mass? It's beautiful.
You can always tell a fundie essay by how many times they use the word Roman. They get fixated on that title because it better fits with their ideology. The Catholic Church does not call itself Roman Catholic and never has, unless they are announcing something concerning the diocese of Rome or the Roman missal. But never in announcing the Catholic Church as a whole.
You are an Idiot this This not a catholic forum the address is

http://www.topix.com/forum/post/reply

This thread is in their Religion Forum it can be found in Roman Catholicism and Christianity threads, it is in response to a news paper article from the Canadian Broadcasting corp.

Again you are an Idiot

BYE BYE.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479043 Sep 29, 2013
Five Historical Realities That are Against an Early Papacy
Jason Engwer

According to the First Vatican Council and other authoritative Catholic sources, a papacy with universal jurisdiction has existed and been "ever understood" by the Christian church since the time of Peter ( http://members.aol.com/jasonte2/jasonte1.htm ).

However, the following five facts of history make this claim of the Catholic Church untenable:

1. There are no explicit references to a papacy in the earliest centuries of Christianity. Catholic apologists often suggest that a papacy is alluded to in Matthew 16, John 21, First Clement, Against Heresies, and other early documents, but all of these documents can reasonably be interpreted in non-papal ways. There are explicit references to the church offices of bishop and deacon, as well as doctrines such as Christ's deity, the Trinity, and the eucharist, but there aren't any explicit references to a papacy.

2. Many of the words and actions of the earliest Christians contradict the concept of a papacy. The disciples repeatedly argued about who was the greatest among them, even after the words of Matthew 16:18-19 were spoken (Luke 22:24). The disciples don't seem to have had any concept of Peter having been established as their ruler. Paul wrote about apostles (plural), not a Pope, being the highest order in the church (1 Corinthians 12:28). He also wrote that, in terms of apostolic authority, he was in no way inferior to any other apostle (2 Corinthians 12:11). Many events in early post-apostolic church history, such as Polycarp's disagreements with the Roman bishop Anicetus and Cyprian's disagreements with the Roman bishop Stephen, also contradict the concept of a papacy ( http://members.aol.com/jasonte2/denials.htm ).

3. The earliest non-Christian sources who commented on Christianity said nothing about a papacy. Though Pliny the Younger, Celsus, Lucian, and other early non-Christian sources wrote about the eucharist, Christ's deity, and other Christian doctrines, they didn't say anything about a papacy. If one man was viewed as the ruler of all Christians on earth, the "Vicar of Christ" and "Bishop of bishops", he would have been an ideal object of criticism. None of the earliest non-Christian sources seem to have any concept of a papacy, though.

cont...
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479044 Sep 29, 2013
4. The earliest interpretations of the scripture passages most often cited in favor of a papacy are all non-papal. Tertullian (On Modesty, 21) writes that Peter was the "rock" of Matthew 16:18 in the sense that he played a major role in founding the Christian church. He identifies the usage of the "keys" of Matthew 16:19 not as papal authority, but as the preaching of the gospel and the exercising of church discipline. Origen (Commentary on Matthew, 10-11) writes that everybody who confesses the faith Peter confessed in Matthew 16:18 is also a "rock". He emphasizes that Matthew 16:18 doesn't apply only to Peter, and he says nothing about this passage applying in any exclusive way to the bishops of Rome. Cyprian (Epistle 26) writes that all bishops, not just the bishop of Rome, are the successors of Peter, so that Matthew 16:18 applies to all of them. The Apostolical Constitutions (6:5) refers to Luke 22:32 as a passage about the faith of all Christians, and says nothing of a papacy or of this passage referring to papal infallibility. Cyril of Alexandria, John Chrysostom, Augustine, and other church fathers also interpreted Matthew 16, Luke 22, and John 21 in non-Roman-Catholic ways. Some church fathers even applied multiple interpretations to these passages of scripture, but the earliest church fathers never applied the Roman Catholic interpretations to these passages.

5. Men like Clement of Alexandria (The Stromata), Cyprian (On the Unity of the Church), and Augustine (Sermons) wrote entire treatises relating to church government and Christian doctrine without mentioning a papacy. Offices such as bishop and deacon are mentioned over and over again, councils are discussed, and the authority of scripture is referred to again and again, yet nobody in the earliest centuries of Christianity writes about papal authority. There are treatises instructing Christians on how to interpret scripture, explaining how to view doctrines like the incarnation and the Trinity, and encouraging Christians to obey bishops and other church leaders. There are no treatises devoted to a papal office, though, nor is a papacy even mentioned. For example, the influential bishop of Carthage, Cyprian, wrote a treatise on church government and unity (On the Unity of the Church) that not only doesn't mention a papacy, but even contradicts the concept.

In light of these five realities of history, the Roman Catholic Church's claims about the papacy are historically untenable. Catholics are encouraged to believe in transubstantiation, Purgatory, indulgences, the Immaculate Conception, and other doctrines because of papal authority, yet that authority is without foundation

cont...
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#479045 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
This IS a Catholic forum. The title of this thread is a lie. The CATHOLIC Church never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican'.
Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite.
Therefore, it wouldn't make sense if the Vatican said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church, because there are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true. It would be mean to say we are more 'truer' than them. Have you ever seen the Byzantine rite Mass? It's beautiful.
You can always tell a fundie essay by how many times they use the word Roman. They get fixated on that title because it better fits with their ideology. The Catholic Church does not call itself Roman Catholic and never has, unless they are announcing something concerning the diocese of Rome or the Roman missal. But never in announcing the Catholic Church as a whole.
REMEBER YOU POSTED THESE WORDS CLAY.

"Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite."

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SURE DOES PRACTISE A PARTICULAR RITE.
IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE VATICAN, AND THE POPE IS YOUR LRADER, YOU ARE CONSIDERED AND UNDER THE NAME; "THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH."
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#479046 Sep 29, 2013
ro·man cath·o·lic church
The part of the Christian Church that acknowledges the pope as its head, esp. as it has developed since the Reformation

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479047 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
This IS a Catholic forum. The title of this thread is a lie. The CATHOLIC Church never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican'.
Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite.
Therefore, it wouldn't make sense if the Vatican said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church, because there are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true. It would be mean to say we are more 'truer' than them. Have you ever seen the Byzantine rite Mass? It's beautiful.
You can always tell a fundie essay by how many times they use the word Roman. They get fixated on that title because it better fits with their ideology. The Catholic Church does not call itself Roman Catholic and never has, unless they are announcing something concerning the diocese of Rome or the Roman missal. But never in announcing the Catholic Church as a whole.
Traditional catholics say that All those outside the catholic church will go to hell....that's the same thing as saying your church is the true church...Is there a difference between the catholics on this forum and the Traditional catholics....just asking...from what I am reading, and its from catholic sites,there seems to be a divition amoung your church with the traditional catholics calling the pope the ANTIPOPE....Please explain..

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479048 Sep 29, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Did you here that on the news? this is real sad that this is happening, the president won't address it and neither will the major news channels except maybe Fox.
Catholic churches are not the only churches being attacked...orthodox church are also being targeted also. it is Christianity in the middle east as a whole beening persecuted! Not One Church!!And YES is is a sign of things to come.
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#479049 Sep 29, 2013
The Catholic lady who started this form, read that statment and understood it as we did.
Clay, and his own word just divided the Roman Catholic Church.
Personal I don't think he know what he is talking about.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479050 Sep 29, 2013
Clay

Detroit, MI

#479051 Sep 29, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
You are an Idiot this This not a catholic forum the address is
http://www.topix.com/forum/post/reply
This thread is in their Religion Forum it can be found in Roman Catholicism and Christianity threads, it is in response to a news paper article from the Canadian Broadcasting corp.
Again you are an Idiot
BYE BYE.
Your tone is that of someone who's insecure about their belief. I would imagine its tough to continually sustain a lie. Reason and logic have no room in your world, but here is a dose that validates the Papacy: Jesus Christ came here to save mankind. Its pretty important for truth to be revealed in a fair and proper way then, right? Our salvation will depend on a clear conveying of the Gospel that'll stand the test of time and tyrants. They only way to do this is to establish a teaching Magisterium that would always be protected from error on faith and morals. Your theory that the holy spirit guides you and everyone else can be debunked in 5 seconds. Many cult victims fell into this lie.
This is the other logical part: since there is no continuity in Protestantism, how could the truth be safeguarded? Heck, you don't even subscribe to the same biblical teachings as the previous generation. Is this really the manner in which Christ wills to have truth conveyed?
Catholicism thru the Papacy at least has continuity and order. Your side does not. You have doctrinal chaos and truth is clouded between sect to sect.
You know this, that's why you're an ass. That's why you rely on one pamphlet after another to shape your theology.
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479052 Sep 29, 2013
evil mind is evil mind

you are born again with your smooth solky skin

are you for sure you are not part of coporate corupt game
is that nice
noooooooooooooooooo

all of you evil perfection fit ib one great evil plain
is that nice not

how you call that insult=sultana apsolute dictate seed without any seed..
is that have any sense
noooooooooooo
then
your kiseli cucumber sea food
kafbej coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
noooooooooooooooooooo

https://www.google.com.au/search...

part of 26 secret words
yep
from one word you can make many secrets

i liked go back to school
my kids not give me used computer not any more
because i don't care not any more

now
i don't liked house
nooooooooooooooo

i never liked in my life
like person in prison

evil people with evil mind

now
let me see soup opera
aida baida sida=yep parasite life
para.site

opera soup as chine machine signal is
oh yes map

don't make me angry evil people
you are not smart

are you for sure you not going in comebodge
kome bod kome od shake do lakta how much degree
is that nice say
no

but Jesus Christ words is perft
turn over another side of face to your enemy with great lust..
i am not care do you liked me or not
your law is not my law
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo

Are you for I am not touch that cross INRI?

i don't respect anymore anyone no
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479053 Sep 29, 2013
pirnich
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
food

evil people is that insult
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
tlusni a sto ces trusnit

mr and mrs pijavica=suckers=bladesuckers glista
no glistina can't say istina=an it si or sea
color as kradljivci=black and white
i don't know why i say that
oh yes
people used that word as correction

my mind is not yours

scientific using evil ow-full language

bible say don't eat that sort of food
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo

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