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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 695341 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479042 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
This IS a Catholic forum. The title of this thread is a lie. The CATHOLIC Church never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican'.
Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite.
Therefore, it wouldn't make sense if the Vatican said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church, because there are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true. It would be mean to say we are more 'truer' than them. Have you ever seen the Byzantine rite Mass? It's beautiful.
You can always tell a fundie essay by how many times they use the word Roman. They get fixated on that title because it better fits with their ideology. The Catholic Church does not call itself Roman Catholic and never has, unless they are announcing something concerning the diocese of Rome or the Roman missal. But never in announcing the Catholic Church as a whole.
You are an Idiot this This not a catholic forum the address is

http://www.topix.com/forum/post/reply

This thread is in their Religion Forum it can be found in Roman Catholicism and Christianity threads, it is in response to a news paper article from the Canadian Broadcasting corp.

Again you are an Idiot

BYE BYE.
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479043 Sep 29, 2013
Five Historical Realities That are Against an Early Papacy
Jason Engwer

According to the First Vatican Council and other authoritative Catholic sources, a papacy with universal jurisdiction has existed and been "ever understood" by the Christian church since the time of Peter ( http://members.aol.com/jasonte2/jasonte1.htm ).

However, the following five facts of history make this claim of the Catholic Church untenable:

1. There are no explicit references to a papacy in the earliest centuries of Christianity. Catholic apologists often suggest that a papacy is alluded to in Matthew 16, John 21, First Clement, Against Heresies, and other early documents, but all of these documents can reasonably be interpreted in non-papal ways. There are explicit references to the church offices of bishop and deacon, as well as doctrines such as Christ's deity, the Trinity, and the eucharist, but there aren't any explicit references to a papacy.

2. Many of the words and actions of the earliest Christians contradict the concept of a papacy. The disciples repeatedly argued about who was the greatest among them, even after the words of Matthew 16:18-19 were spoken (Luke 22:24). The disciples don't seem to have had any concept of Peter having been established as their ruler. Paul wrote about apostles (plural), not a Pope, being the highest order in the church (1 Corinthians 12:28). He also wrote that, in terms of apostolic authority, he was in no way inferior to any other apostle (2 Corinthians 12:11). Many events in early post-apostolic church history, such as Polycarp's disagreements with the Roman bishop Anicetus and Cyprian's disagreements with the Roman bishop Stephen, also contradict the concept of a papacy ( http://members.aol.com/jasonte2/denials.htm ).

3. The earliest non-Christian sources who commented on Christianity said nothing about a papacy. Though Pliny the Younger, Celsus, Lucian, and other early non-Christian sources wrote about the eucharist, Christ's deity, and other Christian doctrines, they didn't say anything about a papacy. If one man was viewed as the ruler of all Christians on earth, the "Vicar of Christ" and "Bishop of bishops", he would have been an ideal object of criticism. None of the earliest non-Christian sources seem to have any concept of a papacy, though.

cont...
Concerned in Brasil

Aberdeen, UK

#479044 Sep 29, 2013
4. The earliest interpretations of the scripture passages most often cited in favor of a papacy are all non-papal. Tertullian (On Modesty, 21) writes that Peter was the "rock" of Matthew 16:18 in the sense that he played a major role in founding the Christian church. He identifies the usage of the "keys" of Matthew 16:19 not as papal authority, but as the preaching of the gospel and the exercising of church discipline. Origen (Commentary on Matthew, 10-11) writes that everybody who confesses the faith Peter confessed in Matthew 16:18 is also a "rock". He emphasizes that Matthew 16:18 doesn't apply only to Peter, and he says nothing about this passage applying in any exclusive way to the bishops of Rome. Cyprian (Epistle 26) writes that all bishops, not just the bishop of Rome, are the successors of Peter, so that Matthew 16:18 applies to all of them. The Apostolical Constitutions (6:5) refers to Luke 22:32 as a passage about the faith of all Christians, and says nothing of a papacy or of this passage referring to papal infallibility. Cyril of Alexandria, John Chrysostom, Augustine, and other church fathers also interpreted Matthew 16, Luke 22, and John 21 in non-Roman-Catholic ways. Some church fathers even applied multiple interpretations to these passages of scripture, but the earliest church fathers never applied the Roman Catholic interpretations to these passages.

5. Men like Clement of Alexandria (The Stromata), Cyprian (On the Unity of the Church), and Augustine (Sermons) wrote entire treatises relating to church government and Christian doctrine without mentioning a papacy. Offices such as bishop and deacon are mentioned over and over again, councils are discussed, and the authority of scripture is referred to again and again, yet nobody in the earliest centuries of Christianity writes about papal authority. There are treatises instructing Christians on how to interpret scripture, explaining how to view doctrines like the incarnation and the Trinity, and encouraging Christians to obey bishops and other church leaders. There are no treatises devoted to a papal office, though, nor is a papacy even mentioned. For example, the influential bishop of Carthage, Cyprian, wrote a treatise on church government and unity (On the Unity of the Church) that not only doesn't mention a papacy, but even contradicts the concept.

In light of these five realities of history, the Roman Catholic Church's claims about the papacy are historically untenable. Catholics are encouraged to believe in transubstantiation, Purgatory, indulgences, the Immaculate Conception, and other doctrines because of papal authority, yet that authority is without foundation

cont...
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#479045 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
This IS a Catholic forum. The title of this thread is a lie. The CATHOLIC Church never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican'.
Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite.
Therefore, it wouldn't make sense if the Vatican said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church, because there are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true. It would be mean to say we are more 'truer' than them. Have you ever seen the Byzantine rite Mass? It's beautiful.
You can always tell a fundie essay by how many times they use the word Roman. They get fixated on that title because it better fits with their ideology. The Catholic Church does not call itself Roman Catholic and never has, unless they are announcing something concerning the diocese of Rome or the Roman missal. But never in announcing the Catholic Church as a whole.
REMEBER YOU POSTED THESE WORDS CLAY.

"Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite."

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SURE DOES PRACTISE A PARTICULAR RITE.
IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE VATICAN, AND THE POPE IS YOUR LRADER, YOU ARE CONSIDERED AND UNDER THE NAME; "THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH."
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#479046 Sep 29, 2013
ro·man cath·o·lic church
The part of the Christian Church that acknowledges the pope as its head, esp. as it has developed since the Reformation

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479047 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
This IS a Catholic forum. The title of this thread is a lie. The CATHOLIC Church never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church says Vatican'.
Roman is describing a particular diocese that practices a particular rite.
Therefore, it wouldn't make sense if the Vatican said "Roman Catholic Church" only true Church, because there are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true. It would be mean to say we are more 'truer' than them. Have you ever seen the Byzantine rite Mass? It's beautiful.
You can always tell a fundie essay by how many times they use the word Roman. They get fixated on that title because it better fits with their ideology. The Catholic Church does not call itself Roman Catholic and never has, unless they are announcing something concerning the diocese of Rome or the Roman missal. But never in announcing the Catholic Church as a whole.
Traditional catholics say that All those outside the catholic church will go to hell....that's the same thing as saying your church is the true church...Is there a difference between the catholics on this forum and the Traditional catholics....just asking...from what I am reading, and its from catholic sites,there seems to be a divition amoung your church with the traditional catholics calling the pope the ANTIPOPE....Please explain..

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479048 Sep 29, 2013
Husker Du wrote:
<quoted text>Did you here that on the news? this is real sad that this is happening, the president won't address it and neither will the major news channels except maybe Fox.
Catholic churches are not the only churches being attacked...orthodox church are also being targeted also. it is Christianity in the middle east as a whole beening persecuted! Not One Church!!And YES is is a sign of things to come.
LTM

Longlac, Canada

#479049 Sep 29, 2013
The Catholic lady who started this form, read that statment and understood it as we did.
Clay, and his own word just divided the Roman Catholic Church.
Personal I don't think he know what he is talking about.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479050 Sep 29, 2013
Clay

Detroit, MI

#479051 Sep 29, 2013
Concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
You are an Idiot this This not a catholic forum the address is
http://www.topix.com/forum/post/reply
This thread is in their Religion Forum it can be found in Roman Catholicism and Christianity threads, it is in response to a news paper article from the Canadian Broadcasting corp.
Again you are an Idiot
BYE BYE.
Your tone is that of someone who's insecure about their belief. I would imagine its tough to continually sustain a lie. Reason and logic have no room in your world, but here is a dose that validates the Papacy: Jesus Christ came here to save mankind. Its pretty important for truth to be revealed in a fair and proper way then, right? Our salvation will depend on a clear conveying of the Gospel that'll stand the test of time and tyrants. They only way to do this is to establish a teaching Magisterium that would always be protected from error on faith and morals. Your theory that the holy spirit guides you and everyone else can be debunked in 5 seconds. Many cult victims fell into this lie.
This is the other logical part: since there is no continuity in Protestantism, how could the truth be safeguarded? Heck, you don't even subscribe to the same biblical teachings as the previous generation. Is this really the manner in which Christ wills to have truth conveyed?
Catholicism thru the Papacy at least has continuity and order. Your side does not. You have doctrinal chaos and truth is clouded between sect to sect.
You know this, that's why you're an ass. That's why you rely on one pamphlet after another to shape your theology.
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479052 Sep 29, 2013
evil mind is evil mind

you are born again with your smooth solky skin

are you for sure you are not part of coporate corupt game
is that nice
noooooooooooooooooo

all of you evil perfection fit ib one great evil plain
is that nice not

how you call that insult=sultana apsolute dictate seed without any seed..
is that have any sense
noooooooooooo
then
your kiseli cucumber sea food
kafbej coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
noooooooooooooooooooo

https://www.google.com.au/search...

part of 26 secret words
yep
from one word you can make many secrets

i liked go back to school
my kids not give me used computer not any more
because i don't care not any more

now
i don't liked house
nooooooooooooooo

i never liked in my life
like person in prison

evil people with evil mind

now
let me see soup opera
aida baida sida=yep parasite life
para.site

opera soup as chine machine signal is
oh yes map

don't make me angry evil people
you are not smart

are you for sure you not going in comebodge
kome bod kome od shake do lakta how much degree
is that nice say
no

but Jesus Christ words is perft
turn over another side of face to your enemy with great lust..
i am not care do you liked me or not
your law is not my law
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo

Are you for I am not touch that cross INRI?

i don't respect anymore anyone no
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479053 Sep 29, 2013
pirnich
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
food

evil people is that insult
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
tlusni a sto ces trusnit

mr and mrs pijavica=suckers=bladesuckers glista
no glistina can't say istina=an it si or sea
color as kradljivci=black and white
i don't know why i say that
oh yes
people used that word as correction

my mind is not yours

scientific using evil ow-full language

bible say don't eat that sort of food
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479055 Sep 29, 2013
i liked study word slama emty weed without seed of weat see answear
matia gubec=gubica=mouth=secret word

its mean someone study flora fauna tree yep
as transmitor as they can give some signal or control without knowing ..ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

calculation years numbers 1573=negative number
ae=f gc
fila alif al if ce bug
where

its so easy

my mind is not yours no

you are who
revil yourself nedas=saden $aden

my god forgive me
bio sea secret
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479056 Sep 29, 2013
now your cyber
sultan=natlus who speak half language mucalo stucalo

very sad
see your secrets
i know you read

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24321717

now
you not worthy 5 cents
nooooooooooooooooo

from each word within few minutes extra 26 page of your not secrets
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo

your law is not my law
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo

what a shame

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#479057 Sep 29, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Your tone is that of someone who's insecure about their belief. I would imagine its tough to continually sustain a lie. Reason and logic have no room in your world, but here is a dose that validates the Papacy: Jesus Christ came here to save mankind. Its pretty important for truth to be revealed in a fair and proper way then, right? Our salvation will depend on a clear conveying of the Gospel that'll stand the test of time and tyrants. They only way to do this is to establish a teaching Magisterium that would always be protected from error on faith and morals. Your theory that the holy spirit guides you and everyone else can be debunked in 5 seconds. Many cult victims fell into this lie.
This is the other logical part: since there is no continuity in Protestantism, how could the truth be safeguarded? Heck, you don't even subscribe to the same biblical teachings as the previous generation. Is this really the manner in which Christ wills to have truth conveyed?
Catholicism thru the Papacy at least has continuity and order. Your side does not. You have doctrinal chaos and truth is clouded between sect to sect.
You know this, that's why you're an ass. That's why you rely on one pamphlet after another to shape your theology.
"an ass" meaning donkey,mule, or the other one...
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479058 Sep 29, 2013
very rood language
in your scientific bio-cyber policy

huh
nothing to do with bible or holiness
Clay

Detroit, MI

#479059 Sep 29, 2013
LTM wrote:
The Catholic lady who started this form, read that statment and understood it as we did.
Clay, and his own word just divided the Roman Catholic Church.
Personal I don't think he know what he is talking about.
You're a typical fanatic, LTM. The Vatican never said "Roman" Catholic Church only true Church. Read the article. They said Catholic Church. There are 23 Catholic Churches who are all true and in communion with the Bishop of Rome.
Fanatics need to believe certain things, so they do. Its as simple as that. You been shown the truth, you say 'no, it doesn't fit with my pre determined ideology' so you ignore it.
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479060 Sep 29, 2013
ass have meaning
yeppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
from ass as donkey milk is good against asthma

why
asked yourself

better then glista bladesucker

in warm water as bara as frog pond its exist many bladesucker glista
its good for cancer
not all

must be specific
between salt water and warm sweet water

i have few years study 15 years is not to bad
yep
biology as marks with me is been very good or excelent
depend what i liked if not liked i am not interesting if i know i am going tomorrow lose my diploma i will drop from inat..

by slut language
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479061 Sep 29, 2013
truth

Mount Lawley, Australia

#479062 Sep 29, 2013
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

see

I am your Creator

i try save you

but you are against me
and pretend
honesty with your corupt law

remember

your law is not my law

in this city nothing exist

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