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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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The Vines, Australia

#478158 Sep 24, 2013
no
-its not cannibals eat bread and drink pure wine

-blessing upon that

explain that
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#478159 Sep 24, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
ANSWERING IN BRIEF ...was,trying o avoid this,..
USED BORGIS,BECAUSE you all brag on the unbroken succession ..he and others....NOT in any way successors
I do not worship or revere LUTHER
I'M SAYING GOD WANTED MORE,WAYS,TO SPREAD THE FAITH THAN THE RCC who was,so entrenched in politics, and,succession,..they allowed persecutions in Jesus,name
God does use flawed men ..Luther was searching ..unhappy with many practices the Church was allowing ..he was motivated .
Ate there,people who read things into scripture That just are not
therE. However
The faith of God was,brought here ..the freedom to worship was encoded without a,state religion because if CHRISTIANS WHO CAME HERE ..spreading the gospel ..NOT JUST by priests in CATHOLIC territories .
I firmly believe God wAnted the BIBLE spread from coast to coast unfettered by the Catholic monarchs ...which were entwined with THE CC.
Maybe He wanted it sooner ...mire wide spread .... Or with kids,with bibles,as primers ..I don't know.
But it was a clear message to your CHURCH ..they DON'T OWN FAITH ..they cannot persecute,or allow persecution in His,name .
We're the reformers or all settlers great ..of course not ..
GOD USES flawed people ...He got HIS GOSPEL DPREAD FROM TE WORD OF THE GOSPELS,..He made this country blessed .......And used us,for His purpose ..
Unbroken succession is not a boast but a reality. You have not made any case that threatens the church. I dont think anyone is frightened or enlightened by your claims refuted many times.

So to sum up your argument is that God wanted many different churches fighting with one another and killing each other having a wide variety of truths and no visible church just a body of people everwhere with their own truth from the bible alone except Catholics where some might be saved? He made alot of countries blessed. Are you saying the Catholic church had no part in the blessing of America? Like the Catholic who convinced the French Catholics to fight for Indendence? Hospitals, Schools? Catholic Colony the first to allow freedom of religion?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#478160 Sep 24, 2013
Hermi said;
'The Orthodox position now is they accept the Caths transubstantiation but do not hold that view.
Theres more but Illl stop at this so can receive the insults.'

What does that mean, you accept something that is false cause you don't want to argue about it?, No reason to say you accept it if you don't, just stand firm.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#478161 Sep 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Do you really not know or are you that devious that you would try to portray me as believing the Eucharist is a cracker. I say number 2. Consubstantiation. If you dont understand the soteriology difference between transub and consub,learn it, It has nothing to do with a "cracker"
You didnt answer the questions. No problem I knew you wouldnt. Now consubstantiation you say but do all Orthodox? NO But who knows what you mean when you say consubstantiation refuted by other Orthodox or is that just used like the term transubstantiation as you say but not the same thing.

Its really quite simple. I asked you what the end product is. Is it just bread and wine or what is it? I do agree its not a cracker. Hey you have said several times the Protestants know what you believe. Its just Catholics that dont seem to know what you believe. So explain it to everyone in clear terms and again you speak for ALL Orthodox right?

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#478162 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You didnt answer the questions. No problem I knew you wouldnt. Now consubstantiation you say but do all Orthodox? NO But who knows what you mean when you say consubstantiation refuted by other Orthodox or is that just used like the term transubstantiation as you say but not the same thing.
Its really quite simple. I asked you what the end product is. Is it just bread and wine or what is it? I do agree its not a cracker. Hey you have said several times the Protestants know what you believe. Its just Catholics that dont seem to know what you believe. So explain it to everyone in clear terms and again you speak for ALL Orthodox right?
Your arrogance is glowing! We owe you nothing for we do not answer to you!

Since: Feb 12

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#478163 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You didnt answer the questions. No problem I knew you wouldnt. Now consubstantiation you say but do all Orthodox? NO But who knows what you mean when you say consubstantiation refuted by other Orthodox or is that just used like the term transubstantiation as you say but not the same thing.
Its really quite simple. I asked you what the end product is. Is it just bread and wine or what is it? I do agree its not a cracker. Hey you have said several times the Protestants know what you believe. Its just Catholics that dont seem to know what you believe. So explain it to everyone in clear terms and again you speak for ALL Orthodox right?
And you speak for All Catholic's right?....

Since: Dec 11

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#478164 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You didnt answer the questions. No problem I knew you wouldnt. Now consubstantiation you say but do all Orthodox? NO But who knows what you mean when you say consubstantiation refuted by other Orthodox or is that just used like the term transubstantiation as you say but not the same thing.
Its really quite simple. I asked you what the end product is. Is it just bread and wine or what is it? I do agree its not a cracker. Hey you have said several times the Protestants know what you believe. Its just Catholics that dont seem to know what you believe. So explain it to everyone in clear terms and again you speak for ALL Orthodox right?
Who are you the Grand Inquisitor? I believe Consubstantiation. I believe that Christ's mystical presence is in the Eucharist. The physical substance of the bread remains the physical substance of bread.I do not know exactly how and the specifics is a mystery.I believe your church is wrong for having Eucharistic Ministers, of receiving communion in one form,for changing at various times in history whether they allowed the laity to have communion in 2 forms, in declaring they knew the exact moment and exact words when the bread was changed into Christ,having your congregation line up like a cafeteria in lines in the middle and side aislres to get the sacred Eyucharist from laity- secretaries, lawyers, etc. Inorher words if you care so much about the Eucharist look ay your own church not Sera, me, the Protestants and Topic.And I believe your church gets in trouble by its Scholastic background and its lack of humility in thinking it knows God's mind and can define the Eucharistic process.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#478165 Sep 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>are you forgetting the imdulgence for those already in purgatory that will shorten their time in purgatory???
No, its all in the link which makes the myths you perpetuated quite simple. For many Protestants they think indulgences is just about money buying salvation or forgiveness of sins. That is not the case at all. We shall all be purged. I did not say the Orthodox believe in it nor did I attack the Orthodox on the matter. You chose to attack ours in yet anohter geusture of respectful humility. There was never any specific time or exact amounts as you so arrogantly and sarcasticly put it with yet another respectful post full of humility. Again with the need to attack the church, but remain silent regardless of Protestants say. Your hypcocrisy runs deep.

Since: Feb 12

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#478166 Sep 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Who are you the Grand Inquisitor? I believe Consubstantiation. I believe that Christ's mystical presence is in the Eucharist. The physical substance of the bread remains the physical substance of bread.I do not know exactly how and the specifics is a mystery.I believe your church is wrong for having Eucharistic Ministers, of receiving communion in one form,for changing at various times in history whether they allowed the laity to have communion in 2 forms, in declaring they knew the exact moment and exact words when the bread was changed into Christ,having your congregation line up like a cafeteria in lines in the middle and side aislres to get the sacred Eyucharist from laity- secretaries, lawyers, etc. Inorher words if you care so much about the Eucharist look ay your own church not Sera, me, the Protestants and Topic.And I believe your church gets in trouble by its Scholastic background and its lack of humility in thinking it knows God's mind and can define the Eucharistic process.
Pride can be so blinding and the truth will stay hidden.I Love you niko. Don't ever change!!!

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#478167 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
No, its all in the link which makes the myths you perpetuated quite simple. For many Protestants they think indulgences is just about money buying salvation or forgiveness of sins. That is not the case at all. We shall all be purged. I did not say the Orthodox believe in it nor did I attack the Orthodox on the matter. You chose to attack ours in yet anohter geusture of respectful humility. There was never any specific time or exact amounts as you so arrogantly and sarcasticly put it with yet another respectful post full of humility. Again with the need to attack the church, but remain silent regardless of Protestants say. Your hypcocrisy runs deep.
Boy, you love to twist things around to jusify a continue attack with you being the victim. Please don't ever admit defeat. It just wouldn't be in your nature would it...learn the faults of your own church before attacking us......
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#478168 Sep 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>And you speak for All Catholic's right?....
The teaching of the Church is one.

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/euch2.ht...

1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."

[204] 204 Council of Trent (1551): DS 1642; cf. Mt 26:26 ff.; Mk 14:22 ff.; Lk
22:19 ff.; 1 Cor 11:24 ff.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#478169 Sep 24, 2013
Hermi said'
'.And I believe your church gets in trouble by its Scholastic background and its lack of humility in thinking it knows God's mind and can define the Eucharistic process.'

I think your both clueless, Jesus says 'this is my body'{that He gave on the cross for our sins) and we have together communion in that body because Jesus says so, no human has anything to do with this.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#478170 Sep 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Boy, you love to twist things around to jusify a continue attack with you being the victim. Please don't ever admit defeat. It just wouldn't be in your nature would it...learn the faults of your own church before attacking us......
Hey Seri you two could reply to my postings once in a while, love you. Blessings

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#478171 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
No, its all in the link which makes the myths you perpetuated quite simple. For many Protestants they think indulgences is just about money buying salvation or forgiveness of sins. That is not the case at all. We shall all be purged. I did not say the Orthodox believe in it nor did I attack the Orthodox on the matter. You chose to attack ours in yet anohter geusture of respectful humility. There was never any specific time or exact amounts as you so arrogantly and sarcasticly put it with yet another respectful post full of humility. Again with the need to attack the church, but remain silent regardless of Protestants say. Your hypcocrisy runs deep.
And again...I believe that no one would attack your church with the vengeance they do now if you all were not so prideful,sarcastic,nasty.It was Clay that started this whole mess not us..so put the blame were it lays.Nick and I want no part of so call defending arrogance on this forum.When you behave as brats then expect to be corrected by others. when you behave as adults you maybe surprised on peoples response towards you. Also two wrongs never make a right.. Ever hear of that before?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#478172 Sep 24, 2013
marge wrote:
Hermi said'
'.And I believe your church gets in trouble by its Scholastic background and its lack of humility in thinking it knows God's mind and can define the Eucharistic process.'
I think your both clueless, Jesus says 'this is my body'{that He gave on the cross for our sins) and we have together communion in that body because Jesus says so, no human has anything to do with this.
This is my body( the bread)and he breaks the bread and eats it...then he says,do this in remembrance of me.( not exact words)he was talking about communion.He died on the cross for our sins is correct..two different things..

Since: Feb 12

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#478173 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
The teaching of the Church is one.
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/euch2.ht...
1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."
[204] 204 Council of Trent (1551): DS 1642; cf. Mt 26:26 ff.; Mk 14:22 ff.; Lk
22:19 ff.; 1 Cor 11:24 ff.
I didn't ask if the teaching of your church is one. I asked if YOU speak for all Catholic's?

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#478174 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
No, its all in the link which makes the myths you perpetuated quite simple. For many Protestants they think indulgences is just about money buying salvation or forgiveness of sins. That is not the case at all. We shall all be purged. I did not say the Orthodox believe in it nor did I attack the Orthodox on the matter. You chose to attack ours in yet anohter geusture of respectful humility. There was never any specific time or exact amounts as you so arrogantly and sarcasticly put it with yet another respectful post full of humility. Again with the need to attack the church, but remain silent regardless of Protestants say. Your hypcocrisy runs deep.
==========

In post #478150 you stated

" The number of days which used to be attached to indulgences were references to the period of penance one might undergo during life on earth."

EWTN states

"The number of "days" that were attached to indulgences were not understood as shortening time in purgatory, but as EASING THE PURIFICATION AFTER DEATH by an amount analogous to the shortening of an earthly penitential period by the number of days indicated."

In other words indulgences didnt shorten "earthly time" but earthly time" was used as an analogy to help people understand that indulgences eased the purification by x quantitty.
So before we start talking about anything lets talk about why you jumping to mock me before you knew your own doctrine.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#478175 Sep 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Boy, you love to twist things around to jusify a continue attack with you being the victim. Please don't ever admit defeat. It just wouldn't be in your nature would it...learn the faults of your own church before attacking us......
I twisted nothing but your ugliness remains true. Admit defeat to what? LOL He came out with trash talking again. Show me where I attacked the Orthodox church. I merely cautioned assigning a place between heaven and Hell to Orthodox. That is an attack? LOL Then your jerk husband came out with all kinds of insulting commentary along with rubbish. Truly expected from loving humble people like yourself.

What I asked for was a straight answer not a bunch of mumbo jumbo. But I can assure you that if you go Orthodox forums you will find Orthodox who do not subscribe to consubstantiation nor will they call the Church arrogant for expressing transubstaniation. I have seen Orthodox priests argue for it. I have also seen them using the language of councils to back it up. Their may be a difference at when the change occurs and as I said it we accept that the Eucharist is a mystery but in faith accept it is the body blood soul and divinity of the Lord, but no it is not the standard Orthodox position to subscribe to Hermes view of Consubstantiation nor did many of the Eastern Fathers. In fact nothing was more unanimous than the Eucharist in the early church this attested to by Renowned Protestant Scholar JND Kelley.

Paul asked, "Is this not the body of Christ?" I wont argue about the semantics as long as its not a cracker snack or a symbolic geusture that need not be done or on occasion. Receiving Christ in the Eucharist is huge. He who eats my body and drinks my blood shall be raised up on the last day.

Ireaneus roundly decclared the Eucharist in very real terms. You have free will to believe what you wish. However not all Orthodox would agree with consubstantiation and neither do all Protestants.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#478176 Sep 24, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
No, its all in the link which makes the myths you perpetuated quite simple. For many Protestants they think indulgences is just about money buying salvation or forgiveness of sins. That is not the case at all. We shall all be purged. I did not say the Orthodox believe in it nor did I attack the Orthodox on the matter. You chose to attack ours in yet anohter geusture of respectful humility. There was never any specific time or exact amounts as you so arrogantly and sarcasticly put it with yet another respectful post full of humility. Again with the need to attack the church, but remain silent regardless of Protestants say. Your hypcocrisy runs deep.
Having said absolutely nothing about indulgences and money the only reason you would reply with this is to confuse the issue.

Also. you did not say the Orthos believe in pyrgatory but in a mix of words including "major semantics" you muddle the issue to obscure the differences.All cheap tricks.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#478177 Sep 24, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't ask if the teaching of your church is one. I asked if YOU speak for all Catholic's?
A Catholic who speaks contrary to Dogma is not a Catholic. I speak the teachings of the church and back up what I say ulike your super scholar. If I dont know then I will ask. The issue is the Eucharist. I dont self interpret and pick doctrines that sound nice or fit with the latest whim. Maybe you do. Since Herme has a propensity to say the Orthodox believe when I know for a fact they dont and not just because a Catholic site on the Orthodox was read as is often arrogantly, sarcastically and stupidly stated by the respectful humble scholar at the school of how to be an idiot. I dont like you people. You are liars and hypocrites and quite frankly pretty dispicable all around. Believe whatever you want. But if you dont want to be a hypocrite then stop attacking the church and Catholics especially with your vast ignorance.

Sleep tight and know that you have been a good hypocrites yesterday into a new day. Its your Christian duty.

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