Do you even read anything I write, or just find certain words and then respond to those willy-nilly.<quoted text>
I understand. Many people on this thread do not accept standard definitions(or they have not studied simple words they use, which have many meanings). In your case, it is faith and belief.
You seem inclined to understanding they are interchangeable.
They are not.
Faith is not supported by physical evidence, as hard observable facts, as you would desire it to be, nor can I relinquish it from heaven to earth, and give it qualifiers and quantifiers, as you would desire it from me also....
The virtues of faith and belief have been discussed and refined definitions are available to you. I can only give you my limited experience with them, and convey by conceptualizing and writing to you about them.
Writing can be an art-form, and also a technical description. I try to use them both in the vehicle of language.
Our difficulty in communicating lies in the your relationship of seeking to make all created(seen and unseen) things as observable, and intellectual.
Of course human beings have a fair degree of sophistication in the intellectual realm, I agree. But for me, it is a means, and not an end.
You would have me make faith an intellectual exercise in observation, but this is not the case. So you seek to discount faith and call it non-existent. You have an existential problem, through which your comfort zone is called the paranormal. It is kind of a blurry, foggy world, this paranormal experience you live in.
Faith - learned
Belief - acquired after faith
I never claimed they are interchangeable, but they do directly affect each other.
C'mon HB - you can claim I am unlearned, but you really are far off-base.
"The virtues of faith and belief have been discussed and refined definitions are available to you. I can only give you my limited experience with them, and convey by conceptualizing and writing to you about them."
- WOW!! Really - your admitted limited knowledge of faith and belief, gives you credence to admonish my faith and belief?
Oh really now? Please check your arrogance at the door.
Please define in detail:
a. How you acquired "faith".
b. How you acquired belief.
We'll see if you know what you are talking about or not.
Please be sure to NOT use words like, "I", "Me", or any pronoun that reflects Self.
What I will be looking for, is for you to provide me the moment "God", the HS, or Jesus came to you specifically and bestowed upon you the faith and belief you have - magically.
Go! I'll wait.
Sheez - you, like Anthony, can't even make up shite that is believable.
Honesty HB - honesty. It all starts and ends with you.
No religion required.