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#476351 Sep 15, 2013
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ISRAEL to give POPE "Custody" of Temple Mount --

http://youtu.be/Qt9kEQB4ti8

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hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#476352 Sep 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
AND HAVE ATTEMPTED TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING TO YOU AND OTHERS...
BY POINTING YOU TO GOD'S TRUE PLAN OF SALVATION...
I/We as Catholics follow, believe, adhere to and CONTINUE to accept God's TRUE plan of Salvation for over 2000 years. You bible only fundamentalists have been editorializing HIS PLAN since the Reformation "making up your own (opinionated plans) depending on which one of your 42,000 contradicting denominational Protestant preachers happens to "yell the loudest" and "interpret" (better yet misinterprets) the Scriptures (each) to his own "demise and destruction". You as well as other Protestant "bible verse quoting" smorgasboard fundies, are a hodge-podge of 42,000 (peas in (different) pods), preaching 42,000 inconsistent and conflicting "relative truths" of the bible------and that is your choice!! It is interesting to watch ALL of you non-Catholics to criticize each others beliefs, with your own "opinionated (merry-go-round) confusion, and chaos. It is also "your choice" to remain on the "OUTSIDE of the TRUTH" (continuously, argumentively, judgmentally, and condemningly ALWAYS LOOKING IN at the historically and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and only One) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#476353 Sep 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU WROTE
I find his preaching is one of loving concern.
However it often has a rigid bias, relative to the times in which we live and were taught.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ASSESSMENT OF MY POST...
I realize I come across harsh at time...
I feel the pressing urgency of the last days upon us...
THAT by necessity I must tell it as it is...
I am a disciple of Jesus, and I attempt to discipline myself to be
obedient to His word.
I BELIEVE IT IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL THAT CLAIM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR,
TO OBEY HIS WORD AS A LITTLE CHILD..WOULD....
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FOR TWICE IT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES...
Mar_10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Luk_18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
I believe GOD'S WORD to be the unquestionable standard that is set
for all Christians.
AS ONE POET WROTE IN SONG..
"IT IS NOT MINE TO QUESTION...IT IS BUT MINE.. TO FOLLOW ...THE LEADING OF HIS WORD."
Where He Leads I'll Follow
(Sweet Are The Promise)
Sweet are the promises, kind is the word
Dearer far than any message man ever heard
Pure was the mind of Christ, sinless, I see
He the great example is, and pattern for me
REFRAIN
Where He leads I'll follow
Follow all the way
Follow Jesus ev'ry day
Sweet is the tender love Jesus hath shown
Sweeter far than any love that mortals have known
Kind to the erring one, faithful is He
He the great example is, and pattern for me
REFRAIN
Where He leads I'll follow
Follow all the way
Follow Jesus ev'ry day
REFRAIN
Where He leads I'll follow
Follow all the way
Follow Jesus ev'ry day
List to His loving words, "Come unto me!"
Weary, heavyladen, there is sweet rest for thee
Trust in His promises, faithful and sure
Lean upon the Savior and thy soul is secure
REFRAIN
Where He leads I'll follow
Follow all the way
Follow Jesus ev'ry day
confronting

Peace

I admit, that there are times when I get caught up in our modernistic view, esp. concerning eschatology here, but I find that is obscures me from more immediate needs, such as having Jesus Christ being the model in my life....

Speaking and thinking about end-times can be "interesting", but as a motivation it is a false one. The sense of urgency is false as well. It makes one feel desperate. And that is not a virtue.

Desperateness is one of(and I hate to say this, and have you take it the wrong way) the characteristics of a person in trial, or temptation. But because you show patience, you are persevering in this trial, but you must consider all the people led astray into thinking that the "end" is near, and go off the deep end.

Desperateness combined with zeal for one's beliefs is a dangerous combination. It leads one into the wilderness.

I get from you a sense of calm in your writings, wisdom, as well as being learned in scripture.

So it is difficult to connect with you sometimes.

I consider, that one might consider eternal things first, and forget about the temporal(historical) things. And that may be good or bad.
Clay

Chicago, IL

#476354 Sep 15, 2013
headlines wrote:
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ISRAEL to give POPE "Custody" of Temple Mount --
http://youtu.be/Qt9kEQB4ti8
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It should be against the law for people like you to procreate.
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#476355 Sep 15, 2013
Rosesz wrote:
<quoted text>
What I am curious,about ..maybe a Catholic can tell me ..what does,this,Catholic writer mean by ILLICIT USE,OF NFP..I thought this,was an approved method of family planning .
RoSesz

Peace

NFP is licit. But the reasons one may use it, may be illicit. In this case, I think the writer is trying to say that saving money for college is an illicit reason.(I don't know for sure if this is true or not, but seems to be central in his article.)

Peace

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#476356 Sep 15, 2013
HuskerDu wrote:
<quoted text>That is a blog, rose, it is not Catholic teaching,its someone's opinion which many in the Catholic Community would disagree with, the Catholics that are orthodox in thought, rose. The blog is really not worth reading and it was on another thread taunting pro life posters and saying we are stupid and backword. We are not fundies rose, Catholics want higher education for everyone. Catholics have the best univ in the world......and they are co-ed! Also I dooubt the Pope would agree with that blog. So you come on this thread to badger the Catholics about this blog. You are Anti-Catholic and you posted that just to harass Catholics.
Yes,I get that it's,a Catholics opinion..
What I'm asking is ..And I did not get an answer on the other forum..

Is why NFP use would be illicit ...And you know that

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#476357 Sep 15, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
RoSesz
Peace
NFP is licit. But the reasons one may use it, may be illicit. In this case, I think the writer is trying to say that saving money for college is an illicit reason.(I don't know for sure if this is true or not, but seems to be central in his article.)
Peace
Thanks ..an actual answer ..finally .

If family planning is,ok ..I don't get his point ..But then he seems to be kind of a throwback ..IMO.

But he has a,point about Colleges and what they teach in this,day and age ..liberal to the max

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#476358 Sep 15, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I hope you are sent to prison and cell with "Bubba the Magnificent"and his "Soul Train" collection
sorry Hermi, but that would and is his fondest dream.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#476359 Sep 15, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
Some believe that the Black race is most likely the first race that God created on this earth.
I have been wondering though why Chinese history goes back further than anyone else history. Hmmm.
In the book Sargan the Magnificent that I recommended,Ms.Sydney Bristow ( a white lady ) who authored that book demonstrates why she think that Cain ( Sargon the Magnificent ) when he was driven out from his people went to these Blacks and showed them how to build advanced civilizations such as Sumeria with knowledge that he most likely received from his father Satan who was a most wise and crafty entity. Scripture even tells us that Satan was even wiser than Daniel who himself was ten times wiser than any of those that served the king Nebuchadnezzar.
There is much I could teach you poor biblically illiterate creatures.
So much for the theory of WHITE Adam and Eve..........with american names even!

Its all baloney.

If God created everything than God created Satan too. Right? Right!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#476360 Sep 15, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Which means you don't know the definition of "love" in that Scripture...


42,000 different christian beliefs and EACH ONE using the very same inspired words of God to create their own CONFLICTING doctrines.......nuff said!!

......are you feeling the L-O-V-E!

Unbelievable!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#476363 Sep 15, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>LOL,LOL. You are aware that I'm gay right so placing me into a cell with "Bubba..." would be like puttin old Brer Rabbit into the briar patch,LOL. He'd be right at home,LOL.
No I didnt know that.That's funny. LOL

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#476364 Sep 15, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I/We as Catholics follow, believe, adhere to and CONTINUE to accept God's TRUE plan of Salvation for over 2000 years. You bible only fundamentalists have been editorializing HIS PLAN since the Reformation "making up your own (opinionated plans) depending on which one of your 42,000 contradicting denominational Protestant preachers happens to "yell the loudest" and "interpret" (better yet misinterprets) the Scriptures (each) to his own "demise and destruction". You as well as other Protestant "bible verse quoting" smorgasboard fundies, are a hodge-podge of 42,000 (peas in (different) pods), preaching 42,000 inconsistent and conflicting "relative truths" of the bible------and that is your choice!! It is interesting to watch ALL of you non-Catholics to criticize each others beliefs, with your own "opinionated (merry-go-round) confusion, and chaos. It is also "your choice" to remain on the "OUTSIDE of the TRUTH" (continuously, argumentively, judgmentally, and condemningly ALWAYS LOOKING IN at the historically and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and only One) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.
~~~

You wrote about

His One (and only One) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church, as you always do...

Since I cannot find any where in the scriptures that God's apostles

practiced the rituals and calisthenics or taught dogma such as the Roman

Catholics do...While the Old Testament even forbids some of them...

I cannot honestly agree with you that you are a part of an Apostolic Church..

The only common denominator WITH THE APOSTLES... is that you NAME DROP

Jesus every once in a while...

Other wise it is ...

all ABOUT YOUR CHURCH...

IT'S ESTABLISHMENT, UPON PETER.

IT'S PAPAL SUCCESSION

IT'S CATECHISM,

IT'S HISTORY,

IT'S RITUALS,

ITS MEMBERSHIP,

ITS SAINTS..

MARY...

IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, PERPETUAL VIRGINITY, HOLY ASSUMPRION

HOLY FATHERS..

QUOTED...CONTINUALLY AS APPOSED TO THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD.

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#476365 Sep 15, 2013
HuskerDu wrote:
<quoted text>You can not understand what NFP is at all , so please quit commenting on it. You are , I hate to say, laughable. NFP cannot be illicit. artificial contraception is. Now go google those to subjects and try to learn about it, and please do not go to Guttmacher, planned parenthood sites this time.
Knit you are not reading correctly ..I know what it is ..I NEVER SAID IT WAS,ILLICIT ..

THAT CATHOLIC author did ..instead of telling me I don't know what I'm talking about ..why mot try to answer as Robert did..

I personally don't see why it would be illicit...

Was curious as to why a Catholic author would think so .

It appears that non Catholics are not the only ones who don't agree
With each other ..as we are constantly accused if on here .

I don't care ..it doesn't affect me ...I was curious so decided to ask some Catholics .

You could have answered me yesterday ...if you knew but chose on the other forum to tell me to look things up ..I know what it is..as I said yesterday TO YOU twice ..

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#476367 Sep 15, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Telling me to go to that part of the forum where the ignorant flop is laughable given the fact that I don't think there is anyone on this forum as ignorant as the posters that are posting on this thread. So,I'll stay right here and continue to try and educate the ignorant here with you being first and foremost among the ignorant.
Thanx. My mama always told me 1 was number 1
Up Yours

West Lafayette, IN

#476368 Sep 15, 2013
I find Catholics to be phoney and hypocritical , always pushing how important they are because they are Catholic.

In reality in they are little more than a cult with a history of taking advantage of their followers, promoters of homosexuality and child abuse.

Many people I know are Ex Cathoics because they could no longer stand what was going on in their churches. Between the perversion or being shaken down by being guilted into paying the church.

Want an annulment, pay the church
Want to confess .. Say a few Hail Marys and oh yeah pay the church
Want to be accepted by god for confirmation, pay the church

Who is the biggest landlord in the world.? The Catholic Church.

It is an institution of fraud and hypocracy and I urge your followers to leave and find out the true meaning of Christ.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#476369 Sep 15, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Which means you don't know the definition of "love" in that Scripture...
Oxbow says.......which means you don't know the definition of "love" in that scripture.

Michael LAUGHS OUT LOUD!........and says.....definition in the scripture Oxbow says......Ha!

.....The crucifixion scenes in the Gospels are so utterly symbolic and based on the scriptures that as history they are unbelievable. The events of the arrest, trial, and execution defy our knowledge of Jewish law of the time. On the eve of, or during, Passover these are things that they simply did not do.

..... There is considerable doubt that the Jews would have had any reason to go to the Romans to carry out the execution, or that they would have had him crucified, since the law required death by stoning for blasphemy, which is what Jesus was supposedly charged with. However, "Christ crucified" was already a theme in the teachings of Paul. Crucifixion was a means of execution that was performed by authorities, while stoning was performed by the public. In the apocalyptic and messianic stories of the time where leading figures were executed, the leading figures were executed by authorities, typical heavenly authorities.

The Gospels make many claims that are contradicted by the historical record
......Unlike the writings of the Old Testament, which cover a time span of hundreds, if not thousands, of years, the writings of the New Testament cover a very brief period of time. Most of the books, as well, don't make any significant historical statements that could even be checked against the historical record, but the Gospels and the book of Acts do make some. The book of Acts is now widely accepted by scholars as mythologized, though some aspects of it may be loosely based on real events.

Of primary importance, however, are the Gospels. Though the Gospels only cover a short time-span, there are a few claims which are made that can be checked against the known historical record. It must be noted that the Gospels do, of course, get some history correct. Herod was a real king, Pontius Pilate was a real governor of Judea, and Galilee was a real place, but beyond the basics several of the details that are part of the Gospel stories are either completely without evidence or are contradicted by the evidence that we do have. Here are a few examples of claims that are made in the Gospels which are either contradicted by the historical record or are unconfirmed outside of the Gospels.

“Star of Bethlehem”- No record of such a celestial event outside the Gospel of Matthew.
Roman census in Jesus birth story – No record of any census that matches this description.
“Massacre of the Innocents”- No record of this event outside the Gospel of Matthew.
John the Baptist – Killed early in the Gospels, died in 36 CE according to Josephus.
Death of Jesus – Accompanied by blackout of sun, earthquakes, and raising of the dead in the Gospels, no record of this by others.
The Star of Bethlehem.

UNBELIEVABLE!.........and people like yourself are stuck on all this utter nonsense.

....definition of Love he says!(lol) when the sciptures themselves are mythology.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#476370 Sep 15, 2013
HuskerDu wrote:
<quoted text>You don't understand what NFP is. Why do you dwell on a blog that 99% of Catholics disagree on? Its because you want non Catholics to think that person is mainstream, you are a bigot, an anti Catholic. This is why you brought up the blog, because the other thread had pro aborts try to label the blog as mainstream so they could to try to call Catholics ignorant and backward.
Its all mythology HuskerDu.

Wake up!!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#476371 Sep 15, 2013

How did the gospel writers know..........

How did Matthew and Luke supposed to have gotten details of their stories?

Was Matthew riding along with the Magi trying to hunt down the imaginary star of David? Was he at Herods place hiding listening in on their conversations of what was to take place?

Its all baloney and there appears to be a lot of baloney lovers on this forum.

No one today can verify that the 4 gospels were written by the 4 people associated with them. I can't believe today that we have so many gullable people.

simply UNBELIEVABLE!

Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#476372 Sep 15, 2013
Up Yours wrote:
I find Catholics to be phoney and hypocritical , always pushing how important they are because they are Catholic.
In reality in they are little more than a cult with a history of taking advantage of their followers, promoters of homosexuality and child abuse.
Many people I know are Ex Cathoics because they could no longer stand what was going on in their churches. Between the perversion or being shaken down by being guilted into paying the church.
Want an annulment, pay the church
Want to confess .. Say a few Hail Marys and oh yeah pay the church
Want to be accepted by god for confirmation, pay the church
Who is the biggest landlord in the world.? The Catholic Church.
It is an institution of fraud and hypocracy and I urge your followers to leave and find out the true meaning of Christ.
You sound just like millions of disgruntled EX catholics ..........Up yours!

Remember the vast majority of roman catholics were indoctrinated into the faith by their families. They never used their personal knowledge to determine what belief to follow.

BUSTED.........Up yours!
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#476373 Sep 15, 2013
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If you could lose you salvation, you would have to do the following five things. That is, to lose your salvation, you'd have to lose, return, or reverse ALL the things included in our salvation.

#1 ABORT YOURSELF FROM THE NEW BIRTH

John 3:3-7 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

These verses are plainly referring to your first birth, born of water and your new birth by the Holy Spirit.

a. I don't see any way to be unborn. You didn't have anything to do with your first birth, so how can you be unborn. Even you mother and father can't undo what was done. It's the same thing with the new birth or Salvation. All you did was receive the gift of God (Romans 6:23) by believing on the Jesus Christ of the scriptures. When you were born physically all you did was breathe.

#2 UNSEAL YOUR SOUL

Ephesians 1:12-14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance (in the 1000 year reign) until the redemption of the purchased possession,(the Rapture) unto the praise of his glory.

a. Now how are you going to unseal your soul? You didn't seal it, God did. Someone out there says,'well if you do something that's wrong, then God will unseal it." Nope, it won't work, the verse says that the Holy Spirit's seal is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession. We're sealed until our body's redeemed and once we're redeemed we can't sin anymore. You can take a jar of beans that has been sealed by someone that knows what they're doing and it'll last from now on. I believe the Holy Spirit knows exactly what He's doing when He seals us to the day of redemption!

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