Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#475622 Sep 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
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It doesn't matter if you think Catholics are born again or not. In fact, it really really doesn't matter..
Then why continue to argue with them?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475623 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The FIRST Commandment for starters.Your organization manufactures images and statues,at the direct disobedience to God Himself,not that your images and or statues are actually gods or idols as such,but that God told us not to create such things for worship of Him,let alone His dear Son.
The abuse of relics,in that there has to be some lie in connection with the many relics that lay underneath the many altars of many Churches world-wide.
The Rosary is rooted in paganism or false religions,Buddhism,Hinduism and Islam all have similar beads that are recited for their tenets of religion.
Purgatory,defies the Completeness of the Cross.Some one reference in the Maccabees does not constitute a whole doctrine which may resemble a Jewish concept of heaven and hell,that is without the C R O S S of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Art and statuary isn't prohibited in Scripture. Worship of statuary is-idolatry, but art and statuary are not. You all probably sing "The Old Rugged Cross" on Sundays without a second thought, right?

Glad we cleared that up.

Who's "abusing" relics? I didn't understand that one.

Rosary beads help one keep count. The Almighty only gave us 10 fingers.

Purgatory doesn't diminish the Sacrifice of the Cross.

Christ Himself said "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come." (Matthew 12:32)

St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15:

"For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay stubble: Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire."

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#475624 Sep 10, 2013
StarC wrote:
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Oh okay I see it now.
"The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles."
When ALL were of same mind and teachings. Universal = Catholic.
No problem calling RCC or just Catholic, same Church.
Catholic meaning universal but NOT Catholic as in your church as you know it to be of today.This is the error that the catholic church has spread since 1054.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

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#475625 Sep 10, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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It was not authority to forgive individuals, but to establish in all the churches the terms and conditions on which men might be pardoned, with a promise that God would confirm all that they taught; that all might have assurance of forgiveness who would comply with those terms; and that those who did not comply should not be forgiven, but that their sins should be retained. This commission is as far as possible from the authority which the Roman Catholic claims of remitting sin and of pronouncing pardon.
Who is forgiving sin in the following verses????
Isa 43:25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the
LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Jesus gave his apostles power and authority to reconcile us to the Father. They received Jesus’ own power to forgive sins when he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained" (John 20:22–23).

You are not authorize to interpret Holy Scripture.... You do NOT know what anything means..

The founder of your 20th century church tried to interpret and you believe him.[lol] Our One, Holy and Apostolic Church was founded and taught by JESUS!!

Deal with it!!

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#475627 Sep 10, 2013
StarC wrote:
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My Church was founded by Jesus, 1st century. PERIOD! YOUR church was founded by mortal man!!
You better run [if u can run, Old guy]to this site and tell them YOUR “new” news…….lol
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/507...
----Britannica.com
“The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to
Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Over the course of
centuries it developed a highly sophisticated
theology and an elaborate organizational structure
headed by the papacy, the oldest continuing
absolute monarchy in the world.
The number of Roman Catholics in the world (nearly 1.2 billion) is greater than that of nearly all other religious traditions. There are more Roman Catholics than all other Christians combined and more Roman Catholics than all Buddhists or
Hindus. Although there are more Muslims than Roman Catholics, the number of
Roman Catholics is greater than that of the individual traditions of Sh&#299;&#703;ite and
Sunni Islam.
These incontestable statistical and historical facts suggest that some understanding of Roman Catholicism—its history, its institutional structure, its beliefs and practices, and its place in the world—is an indispensable component of cultural literacy, regardless of how one may individually answer the ultimate questions of life and death and faith. Without a grasp of what Roman Catholicism is, it is difficult to make historical sense of the Middle Ages, intellectual sense of the works of Thomas Aquinas, literary sense of The Divine Comedy of Dante, artistic sense of the Gothic cathedrals, or musical sense of many of the compositions of Haydn and Mozart.”
PLEASE NOTE.......
“The Encyclopedia Britannica is published with the editorial advice of the faculties of the
University of Chicago,
University of Oxford, Cambridge, London and Edinburgh:
a committee at the University of Toronto and
committees drawn from members of the faculties of the University of Tokyo and
The Australian National University”
the Protestant Church was founded due to the corruption of your church...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475628 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The FIRST Commandment for starters.Your organization manufactures images and statues,at the direct disobedience to God Himself,not that your images and or statues are actually gods or idols as such,but that God told us not to create such things for worship of Him,let alone His dear Son.
The abuse of relics,in that there has to be some lie in connection with the many relics that lay underneath the many altars of many Churches world-wide.
The Rosary is rooted in paganism or false religions,Buddhism,Hinduism and Islam all have similar beads that are recited for their tenets of religion.
Purgatory,defies the Completeness of the Cross.Some one reference in the Maccabees does not constitute a whole doctrine which may resemble a Jewish concept of heaven and hell,that is without the C R O S S of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Same source, short form RE: Relics

1679 In addition to the liturgy, Christian life is nourished by various forms of popular piety, rooted in the different cultures. While carefully clarifying them in the light of faith, the Church fosters the forms of popular piety that express an evangelical instinct and a human wisdom and that enrich Christian life.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#475629 Sep 10, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Then why continue to argue with them?
To block the spread of slander about the Catholic Church. Somebody has to do it. That's the only reason. Look, these people aint going to be Catholic. Nobody has been provided with the volume of info that these guys have. Yet they ignore it all and carry on. To me, its the saddest display of forced ignorance I've ever seen. I mean, look at Pad, STILL falsely accusing us of worshiping statues.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

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Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#475630 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
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and the latest or more recent,Mary being the Spouse of the Holy Spirit,raised the radar of all non-Catholic Christians who rely on the Word,and lean heavily on Judaic ancient beliefs that abhor the worship or veneration of images,and human beings.
The Holy Spirit DID descend upon Blessed Mother, and it is NOT ‘most recent.’ Its in Holy Scripture since day one, always there!
Catholics have statues in our churches [and so do other churches, protestant church], b/c they are used as visual tools, nothing more. We do NOT worship statues b/c a statues DID NOT DIE FOR OUR SINS!

Regarding so called ‘new’ doctrine you questioned.[ U see it was always there]

“Actually, doctrines are defined formally only when there is a controversy that needs to

be cleared up or when the magisterium (the Church in its office as teacher; cf. Matt.

28:18–20; 1 Tim. 3:15, 4:11) thinks the faithful can be helped by particular emphasis

being drawn to some already-existing belief.”
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475631 Sep 10, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Catholic meaning universal but NOT Catholic as in your church as you know it to be of today.This is the error that the catholic church has spread since 1054.
I don't think that the Eastern Rite and Latin Rite Churches have big issues with distinguishing themselves to the world at large.

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

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#475632 Sep 10, 2013
Time to make dinner... have a great night.
Pray for peace. <><

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

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New Year

#475633 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The apostles themselves warned the believers to beware of wolves,false shepherds,false apostles and so on,so if the so-called Catholic church started in 33 AD,it was confronted by false teachers immediately,and to what we see today,much of what you practice is part and parcel with those errors and false doctrines.
Even your RCC teachers tell you you do not have to believe or accept everything you hear in your church,and it seems that there is much to filter out,and that is why we have many other Christian churches that exist to the glory of God,not using such practices in our churches.
Not related to this post ..he lives,a,good deal of the time in Jerusalem..his,last book was,about Damascus,and Israel ..meaning it was,written over two years,ago .

All of his,books ..well you'd have to read them ..

His,first book was also ...

You might enjoy this,blog
http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2013/09...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475634 Sep 10, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>the Protestant Church was founded due to the corruption of your church...
That was the excuse given.

Protestant theology certainly doesn't follow that track. In reality, it was a simple vanity exercise that continues unabated to the present.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475635 Sep 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
To block the spread of slander about the Catholic Church. Somebody has to do it. That's the only reason. Look, these people aint going to be Catholic. Nobody has been provided with the volume of info that these guys have. Yet they ignore it all and carry on. To me, its the saddest display of forced ignorance I've ever seen. I mean, look at Pad, STILL falsely accusing us of worshiping statues.
Willful ignorance is the only possible explanation.

No other Christian faith on Earth lays out it's direct teachings for all to see moreso than the Catholic Church. The Catechism is there in plain sight, as well as voluminous material over the course of a couple of thousand years has been made available, and still we get "you guys worship statues".

I mean, if we DID worship statues, why would I be afraid to tell a protestant we did anyway?

I'm not, because we don't.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#475636 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I thought,Clay, Jesus is G o d? He knows the beginning from the end,and how many times did our Lord state when confronted by the devil,"It is Written"?
Jesus no doubt knew that His apostles:Matthew,Mark,Luke,Joh m,Peter,Paul and James would write what they saw and heard from His own Lips and the things He did and TAUGHT. How can anyone do all of this orally,without a written account? The Jews were known for records and scrolls,and you do not think that our Lord would inspire His own through the power of the Holy Spirit,to write down what could be used to confirm what He taught orally? Your argument is really shallow Clay,I amsurprised at you.Like the RCC does not have a zillion books for you to read and ponder? And the Lord Jesus can't have O N E Book?
I'm sorry you think the Bible is one book. Maybe nobody told you it is a collection of Books.

Do you know what the Gutenberg Bible is? It was the very first Bible ever printed. It was printed in 1452. Martin Luther wasn't even born.

Do you know how many Books were in it? 73

Luther ripped out 7 Books without authority. That's the incomplete Bible you have now.
So much for sola scripture when you aint got all the scripture!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#475637 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Art and statuary isn't prohibited in Scripture. Worship of statuary is-idolatry, but art and statuary are not. You all probably sing "The Old Rugged Cross" on Sundays without a second thought, right?
Glad we cleared that up.
Who's "abusing" relics? I didn't understand that one.
Rosary beads help one keep count. The Almighty only gave us 10 fingers.
Purgatory doesn't diminish the Sacrifice of the Cross.
Christ Himself said "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come." (Matthew 12:32)
St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15:
"For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay stubble: Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire."
Glad you cleared that up for yourself,and your false beliefs,you are not clearing that up at all for me or the millions of non-Catholic Christians,so keep your clay figures,and make sure you remember that everytime you go into one of your sanctuaries,that above every altar is a statue,wnshrined.The disobedience DAN is not that you may believe the statue is a god or not,but that you erect them to begin with.
marge

Ames, IA

#475638 Sep 10, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
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That is Odd because Paul a member of the Church did know. I really dont think when he gives someone over to Satan they would have a problem finding a Protestant church today that would say its ok.
Ephesians 3:
7 Of this gospel I have become a servant according to the gift of God’s grace that was given me by the working of his power. 8 Although I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given to me to bring to the Gentiles the news of the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make everyone see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in[ God who created all things; 10 so that THROUGH THE CHURCH the wisdom of God in its rich variety might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.
Yes of course Paul knew because like I said he'd been born-anew in Christ Jesus, and you might do well to listen to him.

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#475639 Sep 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
To block the spread of slander about the Catholic Church. Somebody has to do it. That's the only reason. Look, these people aint going to be Catholic. Nobody has been provided with the volume of info that these guys have. Yet they ignore it all and carry on. To me, its the saddest display of forced ignorance I've ever seen. I mean, look at Pad, STILL falsely accusing us of worshiping statues.
You cant stop the slander of your church.People will believe what they wish to believe.What you have to ask yourself is this.Is it worth drawing myself into sin to correct those that do not wish to understand? And the answer is NO...Our priest has told us that when one argues with another that several sin come into play.Wrath and Pride with pride being the greatest sin since it was pride that caused satan from being cast out of Heaven.Being humble and patiences what is more pleasing to God.You must care about your own salvation also..

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#475640 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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That was the excuse given.
Protestant theology certainly doesn't follow that track. In reality, it was a simple vanity exercise that continues unabated to the present.
Then I will do more reading on the subject.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#475641 Sep 10, 2013
StarC wrote:
OMG!!
Where is June? Pages and pages without her! I thought I was on the wrong site.
Did she run off with Michael?
Are they on their honeymoon?
StarC, for once I can totally agree with you,and appreciate your post here.Where is she? i sometimes go through whole pages on this thread where June is making comments on everything that comes out of her unique mindset.Yes I never thought that Michael and her could hit it off.Maybe,it is Atheists hit it off match.com . Well I hope the best for them.LOL!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475642 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you cleared that up for yourself,and your false beliefs,you are not clearing that up at all for me or the millions of non-Catholic Christians,so keep your clay figures,and make sure you remember that everytime you go into one of your sanctuaries,that above every altar is a statue,wnshrined.The disobedience DAN is not that you may believe the statue is a god or not,but that you erect them to begin with.
So, your counterargument is-"I don't care that your Church actually doesn't teach that statues are to be accorded divine worship, I just want to say that you do worship them.".

Did I get that about right?

Statues are......statues. Visual depictions. Like the cross your minister likely adorns himself with, and your church likely adorns itself with.

But, it's different for you.

Righto, Pad.

Please cite where the Catholic Church teaches that statues are to be accorded divine worship. Let's get this cleared up once and for all.

I'll wait.

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