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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#475799 Sep 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>AGAIN you fail to see the obvious!The Madonna for one is also depicted in Goddess worship of Isis,Asteroth and so on. The myriad of goddesses that were worshiped for centuries all had madonnas.One of the main goddesses of Rome was a goddess who was a virgin and had a child,Adora. Women would flock to homes where her statue was present to plead to her for fertility blessings,so that they could have children without complications.
The very fact that the pagan religions and so on all used these images and that those images were worshiped angered God.His people would not do that,He decreed,they would not have anything to do with it.But when the Israelis or Jews fell and went after other gods,they put images into their homes. Jewish women wore medals of the goddesses of fertility without complications.
You do realize that those pagan religions predated christianity's Madonna, some by thousands of years.

Did it ever occur to you that the story Messiah born of a virgin birth and that this savior would be killed and rise from the dead was just stolen from the Egyptians. The screen writers set the new story in Bethlehem and Jerusalem? after all religion is a big business and that a new religion depends on converts. What better way to steal an audience from one religion to another than to have similar stories and gods. Makes the new marks, er I mean flock more comfortable
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>
I am telling you that God hates images carved and made to repesent HimHis Son and His handmaiden,because the false religions of the earth did that,and He does not want His people to mimic or have anything similar to the religions HE did NOT A u t h o r!
sounds like Islam to me
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>
The Jews are His Elect,whether they today are not living for Him is immaterial to that,They are His Elect,and He will fulfill all HE has ordained in and through them,riht to the end of the age.Jesus is their Messiah!And He is ours to the glory of the Father.
so then what you are saying is that your loving god has condemned billions of people to an eternity of he!! because they were never exposed to either Judaism or Christianity because of where and when you god chose to have them born
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#475800 Sep 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I am not in any corner,because I am not bound to the canon of your church Dan.You are! God hated the statues and carved images of all the neighboring nations of Israel,and He hates anything that resembles the false religions.
I do not wear a cross,I did,and never gave it a thought,besides an empty cross has no image.But that could be another argument.The point I make and will not most likely flounder from is that the whole industry or manufacture of statues and carved images in the CC are a direct disobedience to the God of Israel,who is still the Same God He was to them,and has not changed one iota.Jesus is not that changing element in the Father,the Father did not make a mistake and now Christians can have their statues as long as they try to resemble Jesus,who was never described,nor His mother,nor Joseph and so on.Any statue,carving,or picture for that matter does not show the true accurate person of who the CC is trying to represent in those created by their hand!
That is another discussion.Did it ever occur to you that God did not want anything c r e a t e d by men to represent God or that which is in heaven,because by fault men would not be able to perfectly create,as God would if He did the same? God never handed to His people a picture of Himself,did He not have the technology in heaven?
God never handed to His people the Elect(Hebrews,Jews)a statue of Himself so that they could remind themselves that He existed!Look what happened to the Jews when Moses spent too much time on the Mount Sinai.They did not have an image of God,and they needed an image of a god,from Egypt, to help them to go back,rather than to be left without a leader as MOSES was to them.
Now if Moses gave them an image of God,do you think they would have been better off?And would have waited more patiently for Moses to return? Aaron even fell under the weight of disbelief,as the people could not see God in the Spirit,who in fact was leading them with Moses.A tornado as it were by day,and a pillar of fire by night,but they still wanted an image.
God never in all the History of the Jewish people gives them an image of Himself,and yet we Christians think that Jesus gave us statues of Himself and His mother to constantly remind us that He is with us? God is Spirit,and Jesus is never described in detail,nor His mother for that matter.And we must have images of them,for what?Why are we Christians any different than our forefathers in faith the JEWS?
The Greek word for pictura is zoographia, that is,“living writing.”

Pad

Rockford, IL

#475801 Sep 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What Bible are you talking about? Mine is a Catholic Book. It was the Catholic Church that decided on the canon of my Bible and most of yours.
We are not to worship statues. Having a statue is not against the commandment. I don't know if you are purposely trying to antagonize us like Ox, or if you sincerely believe what you are saying. There is a point in this game where its best to throw in the towel. Your words can stand against God one day and so will mine. I think i've given you enough testimony of how ridiculous it is to falsely accuse me over and over and over again. You say I am wrong, i worship statues. nuff said.
I never said you worship statues Clay.I said and say it again,your church the CC is in disobedience to God our Father,because of the manufacture of the statues,and carved images that were and always will be disdained by the God of Heaven.

If the Early Apostles gave rules to the early Christians to avoid anything to do with idols,I do not see them giving to the Christians the license to fabricate or create or make statues to depict Jesus,Mary and other saints including the Apostles.

You are part of a system that has done this for centuries,I am not accusing you personally of anything.I am stating for the record that those statues you take for granted are part of a false belief,and not that of the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob.The First Commandment is loud and clear,and the CC is in disobedience.

And that is not because the CC believes you should worship them,but that the manufacture of them is in direct disobedience to the Father!

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475802 Sep 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I only converse with you because you're not being truthful. I wish you didn't come on here and learn the truth about the Catholic Church. You would have been better off standing before God if you sincerely didn't know. But now you know.
The Protestants changed the word of God. They introduced things that were foreign to all of Christendom for 1600 yrs. The snowball effect is still growing too. I think people are starting to really see this. Sincere Christians are comin back to the CC.(not that they didn't experience Jesus before) but the truth is the truth, and they'll experience Christ within His only Church in a more profound way.
I also believe that those of you who found out about the lies of your particular sects, but decided to carry on anyway; spreading slander about the Catholic Church are in deep doodoo.
2tim 4:3 for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears
I get the slander comment ..though posting about written history ..ie
Your Borgia,POPE is not slander .

But if in fact the RCC did put together the WORKS OF THE APOSTLES

..THE GOSPELS ..THE EPISTLES OF PAUL.
ALONG WITH THE JEWISH TESTAMENT..

IF THE RCC did not make them up in a basement ..then they are the INSPIRED words,of God written by men ..

Not the world of the RCC .as you implied in another post

.But of God .CORRECT???

Or are they false ?

If they are true ..then believing what they say cannot be wrong as you seem to say we are ..

We do know the truth about our Lord And Saviour Jesus,Christ ...his,death ..His taking our Sin for us to the Cross ..his Resurrection ..

How belief in Him as,Saviuit and Lords brings us,eternal life as it says in John's,Gospel ..

Unless like some poster said ..John did not write it ..Did a,monk write it Clay ..a Pope ..or is it true .

I believe it to be the TRUE inspired Gospel ..But you say they came from the RCC..they may have put them together ..And thankfully preserved them .

But unless that pope or monk wrote them ..they belong to God's people not the RCC.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475803 Sep 11, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that those pagan religions predated christianity's Madonna, some by thousands of years.
Did it ever occur to you that the story Messiah born of a virgin birth and that this savior would be killed and rise from the dead was just stolen from the Egyptians. The screen writers set the new story in Bethlehem and Jerusalem? after all religion is a big business and that a new religion depends on converts. What better way to steal an audience from one religion to another than to have similar stories and gods. Makes the new marks, er I mean flock more comfortable
<quoted text>
sounds like Islam to me
<quoted text>
so then what you are saying is that your loving god has condemned billions of people to an eternity of he!! because they were never exposed to either Judaism or Christianity because of where and when you god chose to have them born
People will be judged by what they know
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#475804 Sep 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I never said you worship statues Clay.I said and say it again,your church the CC is in disobedience to God our Father,because of the manufacture of the statues,and carved images that were and always will be disdained by the God of Heaven.
If the Early Apostles gave rules to the early Christians to avoid anything to do with idols,I do not see them giving to the Christians the license to fabricate or create or make statues to depict Jesus,Mary and other saints including the Apostles.
You are part of a system that has done this for centuries,I am not accusing you personally of anything.I am stating for the record that those statues you take for granted are part of a false belief,and not that of the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob.The First Commandment is loud and clear,and the CC is in disobedience.
And that is not because the CC believes you should worship them,but that the manufacture of them is in direct disobedience to the Father!
Wrong, and you know it. God forbade the making of such because they were being worshipped in His place. If it were not so, any image you have in your home, carved or painted would be a violation. And the early Church knew this as well because immediately following the edict representations of Christ, the apostles and Mary became wide-spread. During the persecution you'd only find them in the catacombs.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475805 Sep 11, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd appreciate it if you could find some time to run up to my neck of the woods with your Louisville Slugger and take care of all the really bad plastic Nativity creches sitting in my protestant neighbors yards around the end of March.
I get that ..

Just a question what is crowning a,statue of Mary each May .
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475806 Sep 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I am not in any corner,because I am not bound to the canon of your church Dan.You are! God hated the statues and carved images of all the neighboring nations of Israel,and He hates anything that resembles the false religions.
I do not wear a cross,I did,and never gave it a thought,besides an empty cross has no image.But that could be another argument.The point I make and will not most likely flounder from is that the whole industry or manufacture of statues and carved images in the CC are a direct disobedience to the God of Israel,who is still the Same God He was to them,and has not changed one iota.Jesus is not that changing element in the Father,the Father did not make a mistake and now Christians can have their statues as long as they try to resemble Jesus,who was never described,nor His mother,nor Joseph and so on.Any statue,carving,or picture for that matter does not show the true accurate person of who the CC is trying to represent in those created by their hand!
That is another discussion.Did it ever occur to you that God did not want anything c r e a t e d by men to represent God or that which is in heaven,because by fault men would not be able to perfectly create,as God would if He did the same? God never handed to His people a picture of Himself,did He not have the technology in heaven?
God never handed to His people the Elect(Hebrews,Jews)a statue of Himself so that they could remind themselves that He existed!Look what happened to the Jews when Moses spent too much time on the Mount Sinai.They did not have an image of God,and they needed an image of a god,from Egypt, to help them to go back,rather than to be left without a leader as MOSES was to them.
Now if Moses gave them an image of God,do you think they would have been better off?And would have waited more patiently for Moses to return? Aaron even fell under the weight of disbelief,as the people could not see God in the Spirit,who in fact was leading them with Moses.A tornado as it were by day,and a pillar of fire by night,but they still wanted an image.
God never in all the History of the Jewish people gives them an image of Himself,and yet we Christians think that Jesus gave us statues of Himself and His mother to constantly remind us that He is with us? God is Spirit,and Jesus is never described in detail,nor His mother for that matter.And we must have images of them,for what?Why are we Christians any different than our forefathers in faith the JEWS?
A cross is a graven image or likeness of something that exists on earth, thus, according to you, God "hates" it.

God also, apparently, "hates" birdbaths and decorative water fountains, by your logic.

"Why are we Christians any different than our forefathers in faith the JEWS?"

Um, because we worship Christ as the messiah. Jews do not. There's one difference.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475807 Sep 11, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I get that ..
Just a question what is crowning a,statue of Mary each May .
Here.

http://catholicism.about.com/b/2013/05/02/may...

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475809 Sep 11, 2013
DEAREST FATHER GOD

we come yo you today in REMEMBRANCE ..of a horrid s t of hatred that affected so many people .

We ask you to remember those who died ..to comfort their friends and families .

To bless the first responders ..some of whom are ill from their efforts .

We pray for healing in the world so that this hatred
Can end .

May we all live in Peace .

In Jesus name . AMEN

http://m.youtube.com/watch...

I still cannot watch this without crying ..

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475810 Sep 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
Dan I phrased that badly ..I know,WHAT IT IS ..I was in sodality blue capes and all ..

I mean to the world this crowning of the statue appears as idolatry .

Did not the apostles warn of acts that can be construed as sins by non believers ...

For myself I still go in Catholic church at times ..yo the station's on Good Friday to remember ...as I think Churches should commemorate THST day ...

Our little CHURCH did once ..just quiet meditation ..before we merged.

But I digress ..I talk to God THEre ..Not the statues.

But as a kid ..And to outsiders ..it does appear the stat u e of Mary I'd an idol when she is crowned ..just saying

Plus countries and communities where they parade the Mary statue through the streets ...it most certainly looks like idol worship
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475811 Sep 11, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan I phrased that badly ..I know,WHAT IT IS ..I was in sodality blue capes and all ..
I mean to the world this crowning of the statue appears as idolatry .
Did not the apostles warn of acts that can be construed as sins by non believers ...
For myself I still go in Catholic church at times ..yo the station's on Good Friday to remember ...as I think Churches should commemorate THST day ...
Our little CHURCH did once ..just quiet meditation ..before we merged.
But I digress ..I talk to God THEre ..Not the statues.
But as a kid ..And to outsiders ..it does appear the stat u e of Mary I'd an idol when she is crowned ..just saying
Plus countries and communities where they parade the Mary statue through the streets ...it most certainly looks like idol worship
If you "know what it is", why then tell me that it "appears as idolatry"?

Yes, the uneducated or ignorant may regard it in that manner. I'm not sure that the burden is upon the faithful to hew to the ignorance of those who would cast aspersions on their beliefs.

These same people whose sensibilities are to be safeguarded may also render a verdict upon non-Catholics to the effect that they "worship" the Bible. Should I suggest that you refrain from carrying one in public, lest you be judged in that manner?
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#475813 Sep 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I've answered this question. In fact, I've agreed with you. God, Jesus, nor His Apostles never commanded a Bible be compiled, less alone which Books were to be inspired.
* The Bible is the result of sacred tradition.
* The Christian Bible is from the Catholic Church.
* Jews did not have a set canon of Books until the 1st century. Until this, various Jewish sects had different Books they considered inspired.(see the Dead Sea Scrolls)
While it is true most Jews had no notion of a fixed Canon prior to AD 90 the Saducees did not believe anything after the first 5 books were valid. Furthermore not all Jews accepted the council of Jamina. The Ethiopian Jews have all the books. Those at the council of Jamina rejected Jesus and rejected the books they knew Christians were using to proclaim Christ. Clearly Maccabbees was recognized before this council as Jesus as a devout Jew celebrated Hunukah. What is clear is that long before Jesus was born the Jewish Scribes who translated to Greek the Septuigant and recognized those books as scripture. Jesus nor the Apostles ever disputed them. It is also evident that many of the statements found in the NT came from them.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#475815 Sep 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I never said you worship statues

And that is not because the CC believes you should worship them,but that the manufacture of them is in direct disobedience to the Father!
Hogwash!! For the 1st 1300 years of the Church, icons (statues where used exclusively in the Churches because there was no bible (as we know it today) until the 17th century. Statutes were used by "all Christians" for visual images, as they depicted what the biblical individuals looked like, in the abstract!!---i.e Moses, John the Baptist,the Blessed Mother, Jesus. etc....NO ONE was worshiping any idols, statutes, graven images or an object!! You "fundies" really need to get a grip on reality of what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY, believes, teaches and how and who they worship!!!!!

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475816 Sep 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
If you "know what it is", why then tell me that it "appears as idolatry"?
Yes, the uneducated or ignorant may regard it in that manner. I'm not sure that the burden is upon the faithful to hew to the ignorance of those who would cast aspersions on their beliefs.
These same people whose sensibilities are to be safeguarded may also render a verdict upon non-Catholics to the effect that they "worship" the Bible. Should I suggest that you refrain from carrying one in public, lest you be judged in that manner?
Ok fine ..I'm saying that people who know the commandments ..see carrying a statue down a street while people bow and make the sign of the Cross ..as idolatry ..And think the commandments are not being followed ..it appears to be idolatry .

Crowning the Stsue appears the same ..And as a young kid I was of a mind that our grotto was a place Mary was ....

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475817 Sep 11, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Hogwash!! For the 1st 1300 years of the Church, icons (statues where used exclusively in the Churches because there was no bible (as we know it today) until the 17th century. Statutes were used by "all Christians" for visual images, as they depicted what the biblical individuals looked like, in the abstract!!---i.e Moses, John the Baptist,the Blessed Mother, Jesus. etc....NO ONE was worshiping any idols, statutes, graven images or an object!! You "fundies" really need to get a grip on reality of what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY, believes, teaches and how and who they worship!!!!!
There were no scriptures for people to read because the Church kept them in languages no one COULD read only for the priests to disseminate knowledge

And the CHURCH resisted when bibles,were had by the people at last ..

I know you all deny it..the burnings and persecution.

Actual bible study was,not even a,part of your religion until recent decades ...Catechism was and probably still is more important ...

And you are,not a cradle Catholic ..I was ..
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#475818 Sep 11, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Actually nothing of itself is evil.A statue made of clay,and all the pictures,sculptured creations and whatnot.Nothing in its form of being made from the elements of the earth are evil in and of itself.
But God told us not to do so of His Faith and His Way,and His life for us.We are not to be like the pagans,or the false religions of the earth..........shortened for response(human being)
What men and women do to honor and show their devotion to God does not always meet the realm of what God would receive,not that He is not full of compassion,but that of what He wnts,as opposed to what we think He wants from us. You know this in your life with yourwife(spouse). Even though you have been married to her for some time,how often have you bought something for her that at times she will reveal to you that she hated it or disliked it?
Religion is the human approach to God. We are believers, sanctified by Christ's precious Blood,we were sought out by Him,and God chose how He should be honored through that wondrous sacrifice of His dear Son.Our roots are Judaism,because the Hebrews were God's ELECT! Not the Buddhists,or Hindus and so on.And NOT that God hates them,but HE chose to work His true faith through the Jews than to us believers of the WAY,which is Christ!
It all boils down to who God is and His Will.How often did our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ tell us that we must do the "WILL of MY Father in Heaven"?
Greetings Pad

Peace

I am not presenting the point that earthly things are either good nor evil, rather that their potential use is good or evil. In this case of statues, beads, writings(inside and outside Christianity).

So it is better to not look from the outside, and think to yourself, "they" are doing something that goes against what God said in a strict sense. Rather it is better to allow Jesus to be the victim of our sins, and follow the example of Jesus in leading a virtuous life. That is achieved by being humble. Doing this avoids/disrupts/negates the outward appearance. And then of course hypocrisy.(Think of the discourse on the beam in the eye of the beholder....)

Pride and hypocrisy are a much more serious offense to the Will of God, than using one's creative skill in making statues, prayers(with beads), and writings. But not as a substitute for Jesus, nor even a mediator between a person and Jesus, but as tools for pursuing a virtuous life.

Statues and writings can be used either good or evil purposes in one's life. A virtuous life, takes a lifetime, and tools help one stay focused.

I am looking a bit ideally on this, and there are the practical problems of popularity, and a tendency for one to "slip" back into the mentality of the earthen man in practicing a virtuous life as well, which you mention....

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475819 Sep 11, 2013
HuskerDu wrote:
<quoted text>Dan, Rose should know what May Crowning is, she went to Catholic schools. Maybe she lied to us. My little girl in kindergarten was chosen to crown Mary many years ago. It was beautiful! Rose should know we do not worship Mary,after all she was Catholic. Many have told her but she still can't comprehend it.
KNIT and pray ..I said I know,exactly what it is ...I can speak for myself ..And I said I grew up Catholic

That was,NOT the point ...of the post ..the appearance of idolatry ..was,
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#475820 Sep 11, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Good.
Which makes my opinion of Christianity just as valid and accurate in its points.
a. Men believing men.
b. There are no "God inspired" texts, or they all are.
Thanks for responding.
Your concept of God is from men too. So if I believe your concept, it will still be men believing men.
Men men men la menly men men. Do dah do wap . Menly men men.
Do it to a Rush tune though. Lol

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475821 Sep 11, 2013
AND SINCE THERE SEEM TO BE only the Catholics here since I posted in memory of 911

Why no response ...???

Bad enough no prayer at the memorial..why not a bit of time out here for it ..

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