Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#474807 Sep 4, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Where does it say "in the bible" that we have to have a personal relationship with God????????
havw you eer read these two words.

[My] God; [My] God; [My] God.

those two words seem to me kinda personal.

pronoun
1.
the nominative singular pronoun, used by a speaker in referring to himself or herself.
marge

Ames, IA

#474808 Sep 4, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
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Marge,it's a repentant way.
A fence staddler is someone who straddeling the fence,tries to have it both ways.
Wants their cake and eat it too.
When it comes to living for the Lord,we cannot straddle the fence.
We are either living for him or not.
Can't have it both ways.
The Lord wants our ALL when it comes to living our life for Him.
We are to set an example to the world of what He did for us.
If we straddle the fence,what will others think of us?
They would call us hypocrites.
We cannot live like the devil and get by with it.
Your the fence stradder by not siding with us when we have clearly said a, SAVED PERSON WILL SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF GOD WHEN THEY SIN because the Father loves His children.

They lie and continue to lie that we say it's ok to sin.

We warn saved people could get sick or even die with no rewards in heaven if they continue to sin.

Never does the Gospel say a Saved person could lose their salvation.

Pick now whom you shall serve.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#474809 Sep 4, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Rose, we both have a bible, we disagree with what many passages say. The early Church tells us what they say. They heard it from the apostles and who they taught. They don't agree with what you say the passages mean.
Oo

the ONKY passage I keep bringing up is,John 3:16

It doesn't mean what it says??? Very plainly in all versions,I read ..
How,strange .

Now one if the posters,is saying John didn't write it because he died in Jerusalem.

That I do NOT believe ..I do have discernment Anthony ..

I can read ..And understand much more each time I read ..wonder why that is..

About That passage ..please,tell me what YOU think it says ...it's the basis of our faith ..IMO.

We believe because we have faith ..the free gift of Grace ..given nit by the Church ..But by our Lord HIMSELF through HIS SPIRIT ...nit by something we received because we learn prayers,at a certain age and a bishop says,so.

The CHURCH is a great place for worship ...But it dies nit give salvation.

GOD GAVE HIS ONLY SON..THAT IF WE BELIEVE IN HIM ..WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE .
Or do you deny that ..did the RCC make this,all up..

If not ..we believe the same inspired word of God ..

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#474810 Sep 4, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Why make a tabloid subject OUT OF MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...
WHY FOLLOW THE SAME PASTTERN OF the dirty minded old men that the Roman Catholics have followed in exploiting the intimate life of Mary the Mother of Jesus...and her husband...
I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND...
HOW THAT DRAGGING MARY (the mother of Jesus )THROUGH TABLOID
EXPLOITATION of her sexual behavior CAN BE EDIFYING...it appears to be diametrically apposed to respect or reverence.
WHY DRAG HER THROUGH THE FILTH OF YOUR CARNAL MIND?
Would you like the world to exploit your personal intimate behavior?
WOULD YOU APPRECIATE IT AND DEEM IT TO BE AND ACT OF LOVE, and REVERENCE?
WHILE PRESENTING SUPPOSED LIKENESSES OF HER SACRED HEART...WITH ICONS
THEY REVEL IN THE DISCUSSION HER SEXUAL BEHAVIOR AS IF SHE WAS A COMMON PROSTITUTE..
What? Sorry but you gonna have to chew that one again.
marge

Ames, IA

#474811 Sep 4, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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I John 2:19, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
hey OldJG, i think it about time you took over the senior role as the minister of the True Gospel on this board as Pad Gif and Preston are wishywashy and the younger charles can't stand up for his beliefs for some reason.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#474812 Sep 4, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Where does it say "in the bible" that we have to have a personal relationship with God????????
The whole of scripture is personal .......our belief is personal ..it's
Not done as a group when we reach a certain age ..say certain. Prayers,..receive a sacrament from a priest or bishop at first communion as a group of confirmation as a group ..

Each of us must believe ...one to one ...we trust our Saviuir ..we receive the Spirit ..

We say our prayers ...our hearts cry out to our SAVIOR...ONE BY ONE ..
PERSONALLY ...

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#474813 Sep 4, 2013
Clay wrote:
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The rcc doesn't *need* Mary to be ever virgin. But since she was, we are required to accept it.
And its not just the rcc who believes it. Its all of Christendom- including the first generation of protesters. The last couple hundred yrs saw many strange doctrines introduced by the fundies because they thought every little sentence of our Bible was to be taken as the only deposit of the Christian faith... and their private interpretations were the will of God.
What a disaster!
God did not call Joseph to be her husband so they could enjoy the 'pleasures of sex' like your homosexual community understands sex. Josephs calling was a chaste and Holy calling. He had to protect the most Holy ark that bore forth the word of God made flesh. Its unthinkable that a devout Jew like Joseph, would consider it ok to have sex with this ark, when his ancestors were dropped dead for touching another ark that brought forth the word of God.
God is gonna deposit the Catholic religion into the deepest cell of hell He can find. But in the mean time we shall continue to pray for it's adherents, that God will eventually show the Catholic church the truth.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#474814 Sep 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I can remember when Only fish was allowed in the Catholic diet on Friday, and the Catholics believed that "god" would punish them if they dared to behave otherwise.
Superstition has a long history.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>
Question: Why do some Jews not eat fish with meat, or fish with dairy?
Rabbi Ari Enkin
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Although modern-day medicine and science may beg to differ, the sages of the Talmud were under the impression that eating fish and meat together is extremely dangerous to one’s health. In fact, in those days, there was actually a dermatological condition which was believed to be caused by eating fish and meat together. As such, the rabbis prohibited the consumption of such mixtures, a practice which continues to this day. This ban applies to fowl as well.
http://judaism.about.com/od/orthodoxfaqenkin/...
Well now fish is one food that I avoid like the plague.I refuse to eat anything that smells the way fish does.

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#474815 Sep 4, 2013
marge wrote:
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Your the fence stradder by not siding with us when we have clearly said a, SAVED PERSON WILL SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF GOD WHEN THEY SIN because the Father loves His children.
They lie and continue to lie that we say it's ok to sin.
We warn saved people could get sick or even die with no rewards in heaven if they continue to sin.
Never does the Gospel say a Saved person could lose their salvation.
Pick now whom you shall serve.
I HAVE NEVER said that you or anyone else has said it is ok to sin. I don't think that you believe that at all.

however you fail to grasp the whole idea of OSAS, and Demas is the best example of a person who loved the Lord and worked for him, yet he left him.

and this didn't just happen overnight. a person gets cold in their prayer life, cold in their church attendance(and I certainly am not inferring if a person cant and doesn't attend because of sickness or an injury), they have no Testimony for what God is doing in their life, since they aren't doing anything with Him.

and then, they have no interest in Him and they are in a worse shape than if they had never been saved in the first place(and that is Biblical, not my opinion.

as far as rewards in heaven, those rewards are NEVER based on sin, and I don't have a clue as to where you would ever get a foolish idea like that. it isn't Biblical.

Our Rewards in heaven are based on what we [do] for the Lord, not for what we don't do. A Saved person will never feel the hand of God in anger, except for disobedience in this world, NOT IN HEAVEN.

if a person feels the hand of God because of sin and doesn't Repent, that person will not make it into Heaven, that is just common sense. that is what Karen, myself, gif and PAD are trying to tell you, if you would listen, but you are a very hard headed individual and think that you know it all.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#474816 Sep 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Same reason He said to Mary: And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Nawww.That won't fly. Christ told the young man togo and sin no more lessworse things come upon him than what he had been delivered of. Yet we are told in another scripture that if we say that we don't sin then we are lying leading me to believe it's virtually impossible for a human to remain totally free from sinning sooner or latter. The Apostle Paul even stated that he sometimes sinned as well. So seems to me that it would have been more feasible of Christ to simply tell them to go and "TRY" not to sin anymore. Wellpay me no mind.The issue is not that serious. I like to read the word of God by using a bit of logic sometimes in my thinking and sometimes some things simply doesn't add up which I don't merely accept anything willy nilly without reasoning it out.
marge

Ames, IA

#474817 Sep 4, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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I John 2:19, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."
i always thought gif and pad and preston and flo belonged to us...

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#474818 Sep 4, 2013
marge wrote:
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hey OldJG, i think it about time you took over the senior role as the minister of the True Gospel on this board as Pad Gif and Preston are wishywashy and the younger charles can't stand up for his beliefs for some reason.
chuck can and has stood up for his beliefs and a few months ago, we decided to stop this argument about OSAS, but little Margie continued to bring it to the forefront.

and I have been accused of many things but never wishy washy.

People know where I stand on the Bible.

and old jg and Oxbore are both together unqualified to teach 3 year olds

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#474819 Sep 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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God had a reason to Create a man and a woman. Quote: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There is only one way that will happen...intercourse must happen...to discuss this event, that has the blessing of God, is not making a tabloid subject OUT OF MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...
Get your mind out of the gutter!!!!!
Did you notice how the verse shows God saying """"" """"" """"" "REPLENISH"" """"" """"" "" the earth?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/replen...

The word REPLENISH means to make full or complete """"" """"" """AGAIN" """"" """"indica ting that obviously it was full once and became empty and had to be """"" """"" ""REPLENISHED AGAIN. Speaks volumes but that one powerful word went right over your head did it not?

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#474820 Sep 4, 2013
marge wrote:
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i always thought gif and pad and preston and flo belonged to us...
don't give us that crap, I have always had nothing but contempt for you and your ignorance and have never considered you a Sister nor a saved individual.

which proves that I am not a wishy washy person

Since: Jun 10

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#474821 Sep 4, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>ok, you might get a little closer.
now who were Paul and Demas working for?
certainly not making tents while Paul was in prison, and yet Paul spoke highly of him as a fellowworker.
now when a person gets Saved, God gives them a job to do, and He pays them, therefore when they quit, they lose their pay(catch on yet).
No Work in the vineyard, no pay.
"now when a person gets Saved, God gives them a job to do, and He pays them, therefore when they quit, they lose their pay(catch on yet)."

Golly gee whiz!!!! All the time I have mistakenly believed that Salvation was a gift!!!!!!

I owe you one!!!!!
marge

Ames, IA

#474822 Sep 4, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>prove to us that those who were with John were Christians.
John certainly didn't think so, which is different than Paul speaking highly of Demas, who did work with him
i can tell by working with someone one day if we are on the same mission. a conflict maybe, that demas hated to travel and didn't tell paul at first because of his new-born zealousness.

And you condeem him to hell with your theories?

Nothing but fear and bad news here folks.

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#474823 Sep 4, 2013
marge wrote:
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Your the fence stradder by not siding with us when we have clearly said a, SAVED PERSON WILL SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF GOD WHEN THEY SIN because the Father loves His children.
They lie and continue to lie that we say it's ok to sin.
We warn saved people could get sick or even die with no rewards in heaven if they continue to sin.
Never does the Gospel say a Saved person could lose their salvation.
Pick now whom you shall serve.
CARM on this page agrees with you , Marge but it shows how stupid and unlearned that their opinion of these verses are.http://carm.org/about-can- person-lose-salvation
There are many people who have taught (and others still teach today) that this passage clearly shows that a Christian can lose his or her salvation. And in a cursory reading, it does seem that this interpretation is correct.

But, as it is with many Scriptures, we should be aware of the “heresy of the first glance.”

So let’s take a close look at this passage and see what it is really teaching.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV):

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

This passage begs the question,“How can one be ‘enlightened’ and fall away?” It does seem to be speaking of someone losing his salvation.
I HAVE TO SNIP SOME OF THIS DUMMIES WORDS.

So to be a member of a church, and be “enlightened” by the life of the Church and seeing God at work, doesn’t guarantee salvation. Neither does being baptized, for that matter.“Enlightened” does not necessarily mean “saved.”[IN THIS LETTER, IT SURELY DOES]AND THE WRITER IS VERY IGNORANT TO STATE OTHERWISE

Ephesians 1:15-21(NKJV) uses “enlightenment” differently, but still does not mean “saved”:

15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,[We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.]1 jOHN 3:14
16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers:

17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,

18 [the eyes of your understanding being enlightened;] that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,
here we read what he cant see, I guess. in the 15 verse says it all, Paul has heard of their testimony and their love of the saints. Clearly an indication that they are saved and enlightened

JUST BECAUSE A PERSON WRITES A TREATISE, DOESNT MEAN THAT IT IS BIBLICAL ACCURATE AS THIS PERSON SURELY IS WRONG.
marge

Ames, IA

#474824 Sep 4, 2013
I speak to you Non-believers as a whole, The Fact is that when GOD SAVES it's completely and forever.

AND, it's the Most beautiful thing EVER!
marge

Ames, IA

#474825 Sep 4, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>don't give us that crap, I have always had nothing but contempt for you and your ignorance and have never considered you a Sister nor a saved individual.
which proves that I am not a wishy washy person
And I have always loved you. God Bless.

Since: Jun 10

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#474826 Sep 4, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
the link came from Oxbore, nor PAD. sorry for any mixup.
Oxbow wrote:
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Who was Demas?| live from thessalonica
demas.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/who-was-demas/ ... ;
Excerpt:“Throughout Scripture we find examples of those who profess Christ, but later turn out not to be saved. One example is Demas.
Impossible to forsake something you never had!!!!!! He quit working with Paul...he left the job....he bugged out....period...
and to get back to Demas, not one person can counter the words of Paul, who spoke highly of him and called Demas a fellowworker, and state that Demas was NOT SAVED. Paul knew if he was saved or not. you cant work closely with someone and not know them very well, especially as sensitive to the Spirit as Paul was.
Horse thirds....

If he had indeed been saved, he would never have left his post.....

Same with Judas Iscariot.....he was with Jesus for three years...doing the work of Jesus....his action speaks louder than words....he was as saved as the Pink Rabbit!!!!!

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