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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 653688 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#474946 Sep 5, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
But since you asked, in the least you are questioning that which you don't know.
Since it won't be found in the Bible that it is a personal relationship, maybe you can direct me - within the Bible - where I can find where "God" specifically states which texts are inspired and which are not, so I can make sure I am following "God" to the letter.
The Early Church Fathers in 382,393, and 397 gave Jesus Christs One TRUE Universal Catholic Church the "inspired books of the bible"-----however, you bible only Protestant "fundies" (decided on your own)---1200 years later, which ones THEY CHOSE to keep, and which ones THEY CHOSE to remove, then EACH ONE (self-interpreting) the bible,(450 years later) into 42,000 contradicting and conflicting (hodge-podge) of denominations, editorializing, and mis-interpreting the bible, EACH to their own "demise and destruction"!! You "fundies" will NEVER follow Gods word to the letter because you "threw out, and rejected" the TRUTH" at the Reformation!
Anthony MN

Fairfax, VA

#474947 Sep 5, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>I you knew the teachings of both the Witnesses and Mormons you would not ask me such a question.Because they would never darken the door of our churches anyway. Anyone who wants to visit is always welcome,that is the same with you.But to share their theology and expect it to spread amongst us would be ridiculous,and they themselves hate evangelicals and Catholics.
Of course you wouldn't. You understand then the dilemma Catholics have with evangelicals who reject the Sacraments.
Anthony MN

Fairfax, VA

#474948 Sep 5, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
You saId MY belief n John 3:16 was different from yours ..And not just head belief was,correct ..I showed you it wasn't .
You were addressing ME
Jesus,gave us,2 commandments,that embraced all of them .
Live God above all things ..love your neighbor.
I try not always,successfully to follow both ...in which case the Spirit by way of my conscience lets me know
If I err I go to my Lord in repentance ..
What I want to know ..You may need your priest to say ..your forgiven .
I prefer to take my sins,to the,SOURCE OF ALL FORGIVENESS...
And who is,anyone here to tell me that is not the right thing to do ..
Agian Rose, who decides what obedience to Christ is? What did those who were taught by the apostles say this obedience is?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#474949 Sep 5, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Early Church Fathers in 382,393, and 397 gave Jesus Christs One TRUE Universal Catholic Church the "inspired books of the bible"-----however, you bible only Protestant "fundies" (decided on your own)---1200 years later, which ones THEY CHOSE to keep, and which ones THEY CHOSE to remove, then EACH ONE (self-interpreting) the bible,(450 years later) into 42,000 contradicting and conflicting (hodge-podge) of denominations, editorializing, and mis-interpreting the bible, EACH to their own "demise and destruction"!! You "fundies" will NEVER follow Gods word to the letter because you "threw out, and rejected" the TRUTH" at the Reformation!
You are solid proof that there is no cure for stupidity!!!!

The National Council of Church’s report on church membership lists the following organizations as the top ten biggest religious denominations in the U.S.A.:

The Catholic Church: 68.5 million
Southern Baptist Convention: 16.1 million
The United Methodist Church: 7.8 million
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: 6 million
The Church of God in Christ: 5.5 million
National Baptist Convention, USA: 5 million
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America: 4.5 million
National Baptist Convention of America: 3.5 million
Assemblies of God: 2.9 million

Note: The Catholic Church is the largest denomination in the USA!!!!!!
Michael

Canada

#474950 Sep 5, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You are solid proof that there is no cure for stupidity!!!!
The National Council of Church’s report on church membership lists the following organizations as the top ten biggest religious denominations in the U.S.A.:
The Catholic Church: 68.5 million
Southern Baptist Convention: 16.1 million
The United Methodist Church: 7.8 million
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: 6 million
The Church of God in Christ: 5.5 million
National Baptist Convention, USA: 5 million
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America: 4.5 million
National Baptist Convention of America: 3.5 million
Assemblies of God: 2.9 million
Note: The Catholic Church is the largest denomination in the USA!!!!!!
.......and the vast majority of ALL those believers in their individual denominations were indoctrinated into it from childhood.

....... The numbers you show are MOSTLY about hand-me-down-family tradition, not individual found beliefs, and that OXBOW is the BIGGEST group of all!.

simply UNBELIEVABLE!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#474951 Sep 5, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Early Church Fathers in 382,393, and 397 gave Jesus Christs One TRUE Universal Catholic Church the "inspired books of the bible"-----however, you bible only Protestant "fundies" (decided on your own)---1200 years later, which ones THEY CHOSE to keep, and which ones THEY CHOSE to remove, then EACH ONE (self-interpreting) the bible,(450 years later) into 42,000 contradicting and conflicting (hodge-podge) of denominations, editorializing, and mis-interpreting the bible, EACH to their own "demise and destruction"!! You "fundies" will NEVER follow Gods word to the letter because you "threw out, and rejected" the TRUTH" at the Reformation!
The extra books in your Bible, that are not the Infallible Sacred Holy Spirit Inspired Word of God, and thereby cannot be said to be teachings of Jesus Christ, means you are following teachings that are non Christian...

Christ warns: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#474952 Sep 5, 2013
My post was this one:

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

But since you asked, in the least you are questioning that which you don't know.
Since it won't be found in the Bible that it is a personal relationship, maybe you can direct me - within the Bible - where I can find where "God" specifically states which texts are inspired and which are not, so I can make sure I am following "God" to the letter.

Now let's see how accurate you were....
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Early Church Fathers in 382,393, and 397 gave Jesus Christs One TRUE Universal Catholic Church the "inspired books of the bible"
These individuals are not "God". I understand very much how much you think they are and all, but still just fallible men who had an agenda.
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>-----however, you bible only Protestant "fundies" (decided on your own)

This will be my time I tell you this. Next time I will not be so kind, okay? I'm not Protestant. Get over it. I know it disappoints you that I am not, because it doesn't allow you to pull the same ol' tactic upon me. Bummer for you, huh?
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>---1200 years later, which ones THEY CHOSE to keep, and which ones THEY CHOSE to remove, then EACH ONE (self-interpreting) the bible,(450 years later) into 42,000 contradicting and conflicting (hodge-podge) of denominations, editorializing, and mis-interpreting the bible, EACH to their own "demise and destruction"!!
Bummer - just like the book you tout, it is still an incomplete collection of many of Jesus' teachings.
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>You "fundies" will NEVER follow Gods word to the letter because you "threw out, and rejected" the TRUTH" at the Reformation!
Do you really think with you calling me such will change the facts I've stated in this forum?

Why don't you try and answer the question again, this time, using "God" as your main character, and state where "He" says which books are inspired and which are not.

C'mon hojo, you seem to be very knowledgeable of your religion and beliefs, this surely can't be difficult to answer, right?

Or will your next post be a diversion from answering again and shower me with more blather? Maybe you will not post to me at all.

Honesty hojo, it isn't hard to acquire.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#474953 Sep 5, 2013
Why do so-called "Christians" refuse to answer questions that affect their belief?

What are they afraid of? Persecution from within their own groups? Ridicule? Animosity? Loss of friends?

Honesty is and can be very telling.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#474954 Sep 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
"no one can undo the word of God"
Ya right. People before you literally undid it. That's why you only have 66 Books of the Bible and I've got 73.
If the word of God says Jesus held up the Bread and said, "This my Body"
And now, 2,000 yrs later, you say "No it ain't"!
well, that's undoing it.
Apparently the word of God was misunderstood from 90 AD til you showed up? Ignatius and Clement heard it wrong from Peter and John? Truth was so important for our salvation, that Christ decided to wait until the born again movement arrived in the 20th century to clarify His real Ministry.
Why don't you realize that

All you have is hearsay that has been passed down an edited by your popes

with over 40 different additions of of dogma and heaven only knows how man rituals have been assumed into your add mixture of religious exercises...

AGAIN ...WHAT JESUS RESPONDED TO ...WHEN THE THIEF WAS ON THE CROSS

WAS...

Luk_23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

JESUS' RESPONSE WAS...

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee,

To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

WHY DO YOU REQUIRE A PERSON TO JUMP THROUGH ALL YOUR CATHOLIC HOOPS

RITUALS AND CALISTHENICS...

AND AFTER THEY HAVE FULFILLED ALL OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC LAWS...

THEY ARE PROMISE NOTHING MORE THAN

A BINGO GAME..A LOTTO

A GAMBLERS CHOICE..

THE WORDS OF Paul and Silas,
WAS..

Act_16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#474955 Sep 5, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You are solid proof that there is no cure for stupidity!!!!
The National Council of Church’s report on church membership lists the following organizations as the top ten biggest religious denominations in the U.S.A.:
The Catholic Church: 68.5 million
Southern Baptist Convention: 16.1 million
The United Methodist Church: 7.8 million
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: 6 million
The Church of God in Christ: 5.5 million
National Baptist Convention, USA: 5 million
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America: 4.5 million
National Baptist Convention of America: 3.5 million
Assemblies of God: 2.9 million
Note: The Catholic Church is the largest denomination in the USA!!!!!!
~~~

Note: The Catholic Church is the largest denomination in the USA!!!!!!

HAVE YOU TAKEN NOTICE HOW AMERICA HAS SLIDE DOWN THE SLIPPER SLOPE OF DEBAUCHERY SINCE

JOHN F KENNEDY WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT...

FROM THE DEATH OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN ( A 100 YEARS)

NO CATHOLIC NEED TO HAVE RAN FOR PRESIDENT ...

BECAUSE OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF ROMAN CATHOLICS IS LINCOLNS DEATH..

FROM THE EARLY 1960'S (WHEN JFK WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT UNTIL NOW

THE ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE INVADED THE LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS...

THE SENATE AND NOW CONTROL THE SUPREME COURT...

OUR NATION HAS SLIPPED NEAR THE PRECIPICE OF HELL, SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN

IN ELECTED AND ARE IN CONTROL.

THEY HAVE SPAWNED A GODLESS SOCIETY HERE IN AMERICA..

ALL THESE SINS ARE BEING PRACTICED OPENLY..COME TO THE FOREFRONT...

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

THEIR UNGODLY INFLUENCE HAS HAD A HORRIFIC IMPACT UPON OUR COUNTRY...

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#474956 Sep 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Note: The Catholic Church is the largest denomination in the USA!!!!!!
HAVE YOU TAKEN NOTICE HOW AMERICA HAS SLIDE DOWN THE SLIPPER SLOPE OF DEBAUCHERY SINCE
JOHN F KENNEDY WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT...
FROM THE DEATH OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN ( A 100 YEARS)
NO CATHOLIC NEED TO HAVE RAN FOR PRESIDENT ...
BECAUSE OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF ROMAN CATHOLICS IS LINCOLNS DEATH..
FROM THE EARLY 1960'S (WHEN JFK WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT UNTIL NOW
THE ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE INVADED THE LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS...
THE SENATE AND NOW CONTROL THE SUPREME COURT...
OUR NATION HAS SLIPPED NEAR THE PRECIPICE OF HELL, SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN
IN ELECTED AND ARE IN CONTROL.
THEY HAVE SPAWNED A GODLESS SOCIETY HERE IN AMERICA..
ALL THESE SINS ARE BEING PRACTICED OPENLY..COME TO THE FOREFRONT...
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
THEIR UNGODLY INFLUENCE HAS HAD A HORRIFIC IMPACT UPON OUR COUNTRY...
I'm pretty sure,JFK would have been pro life ..his brother Teddy on the other hand ..professed,Catholic and was,PRO CHOICE..P TO ANNULMENT sanctioned..against his,wife's wishes ..by the,Catholic Church .

Here is a record on the recent Congress ..to be fair..the CATHOLUC writer is none to pleased with the voting records on pro life issues,of some of them

NANCY PELOSI ..a staunch CATHOLic..is,extremely PRO ABORTION ..

http://www.satodayscatholic.com/Leies_082809....

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#474957 Sep 5, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
RoSesz:
Peace
I do not think God has a preferential mode. That is your preference in dealing with sin. Yet God deals with us, as He sees fit. And in general, I go along with your thinking on the subject.
The question of obedience to God, is not necessarily contrary to that of obedience to the RCC(though usually it is our own misunderstanding, clouded judgment, and experiences that prevents us makes us preferential) but is congruent, or parallel.
One aspect of repentance you are forgetting, within contrition(if you remember), one must do an act of penance. And this has generally been forgotten outside of the confessional. Most of those who hate the RCC, would not even consider doing an act of penance. Why?
Peace
While I believe a,lot of our suffering here on earth is,due go our own Sin ...JESUS CHRIST paid for our sins..the only worthy payment ..
Compared to that three hail Mary's,is nothing ..except prayer..

Something that occurred to.me is this ...IF PRAYER IS TALKING TO THE
LOVE IN OUR LIFE ..JESUS...why would it be PENANCE TO PRAY.

WE SHOULD MAKE AMENDS for hurting others,...or we are not obeying HIS,
commandment to love our neighbor .....

our contrition should ALWAYS BE TRUE ..in that we,hurt our Lord by it .

Not just words,we say in a,confessional to a priest because we fear hell..then say some prayers,...And we are Done.

That's a Catholic thing...2 kinds of contrition ...unless that's something else that changed ???

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#474958 Sep 5, 2013
Perfect and imperfect contrition ..right??
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#474959 Sep 5, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Note: The Catholic Church is the largest denomination in the USA!!!!!!
HAVE YOU TAKEN NOTICE HOW AMERICA HAS SLIDE DOWN THE SLIPPER SLOPE OF DEBAUCHERY SINCE
JOHN F KENNEDY WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT...
FROM THE DEATH OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN ( A 100 YEARS)
NO CATHOLIC NEED TO HAVE RAN FOR PRESIDENT ...
BECAUSE OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF ROMAN CATHOLICS IS LINCOLNS DEATH..
FROM THE EARLY 1960'S (WHEN JFK WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT UNTIL NOW
THE ROMAN CATHOLICS HAVE INVADED THE LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS...
THE SENATE AND NOW CONTROL THE SUPREME COURT...
OUR NATION HAS SLIPPED NEAR THE PRECIPICE OF HELL, SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN
IN ELECTED AND ARE IN CONTROL.
THEY HAVE SPAWNED A GODLESS SOCIETY HERE IN AMERICA..
ALL THESE SINS ARE BEING PRACTICED OPENLY..COME TO THE FOREFRONT...
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
THEIR UNGODLY INFLUENCE HAS HAD A HORRIFIC IMPACT UPON OUR COUNTRY...
The five conservative pro-life justices are all Catholic.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#474960 Sep 5, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pretty sure,JFK would have been pro life ..his brother Teddy on the other hand ..professed,Catholic and was,PRO CHOICE..P TO ANNULMENT sanctioned..against his,wife's wishes ..by the,Catholic Church .
Here is a record on the recent Congress ..to be fair..the CATHOLUC writer is none to pleased with the voting records on pro life issues,of some of them
NANCY PELOSI ..a staunch CATHOLic..is,extremely PRO ABORTION ..
http://www.satodayscatholic.com/Leies_082809....
Those two are/were Catholic-in-name-only. Pelosi is a disgrace and no faithful Catholic supports here in any way, shape or form.

But if you're going to avoid my questions and start throwing mud about fallen away Catholics, two can play that game Rose...there are hundreds of evangelical fundamentalists who are involved in scandals...
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#474961 Sep 5, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
While I believe a,lot of our suffering here on earth is,due go our own Sin ...JESUS CHRIST paid for our sins..the only worthy payment ..
Compared to that three hail Mary's,is nothing ..except prayer..
Something that occurred to.me is this ...IF PRAYER IS TALKING TO THE
LOVE IN OUR LIFE ..JESUS...why would it be PENANCE TO PRAY.
WE SHOULD MAKE AMENDS for hurting others,...or we are not obeying HIS,
commandment to love our neighbor .....
our contrition should ALWAYS BE TRUE ..in that we,hurt our Lord by it .
Not just words,we say in a,confessional to a priest because we fear hell..then say some prayers,...And we are Done.
That's a Catholic thing...2 kinds of contrition ...unless that's something else that changed ???
When was the last time you went to confession?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#474962 Sep 5, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pretty sure,JFK would have been pro life ..his brother Teddy on the other hand ..professed,Catholic and was,PRO CHOICE..P TO ANNULMENT sanctioned..against his,wife's wishes ..by the,Catholic Church .
Here is a record on the recent Congress ..to be fair..the CATHOLUC writer is none to pleased with the voting records on pro life issues,of some of them
NANCY PELOSI ..a staunch CATHOLic..is,extremely PRO ABORTION ..
http://www.satodayscatholic.com/Leies_082809....
~~~

ONE OF THE MOST HATED DOCUMENTS BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS

THE ONE THAT GIVES US RELIGIOUS FREEDOM...

FREEDOM TO WORSHIP ACCORDING TO OUR OWN CONSCIENCE...

THERE WAS NEVER A MORE EVIL MAN THAT WHELMED HIS INFLUENCE IN CONGRESS THAN ROMAN CATHOLIC TED KENNEDY ...

THE ATTACK UPON OUR CONSTITUTION BY ROMAN CATHOLICS IN CONGRESS AND THE

SENATE HAS PLACED IT IN JEOPARDY...

NANCY PELOSI (A ROMAN CATHOLIC) IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF ROMAN CATHOLIC INFLUENCE...

AN EXAMPLE OF A PERSON WITH A REPROBATE MIND...

Pro_29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#474963 Sep 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Those two are/were Catholic-in-name-only. Pelosi is a disgrace and no faithful Catholic supports here in any way, shape or form.
But if you're going to avoid my questions and start throwing mud about fallen away Catholics, two can play that game Rose...there are hundreds of evangelical fundamentalists who are involved in scandals...
Fvangelical fundamentalists DO NOT CONTROL CONGRESS ...THE SENATE...THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...

AND IT IS NOT A GAME...IT IS REALITY AND IT IS DESTROYING AMERICA..
LTM

Terrace Bay, Canada

#474964 Sep 5, 2013
Live Radio with Tim Berends
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Date: Sat, 2/4/12
Guests: Sandra Tanner
Topics: Sandra Tanner is an ex-Mormon, and now runs Utah Lighthouse Ministries, spreading the truth about Mormonism.
Link: Archive Page
Today's guest is Sandra Tanner from Utah Lighthouse Ministry. She has been on Tim's show several times over the years dating back to the days of the Tim and Al show in Southern California and St. Louis. She is the great great granddaughter of Brigham Young, and was raised in the LDS faith, with her parents being married in the Salt Lake Temple. When she met her husband Gerald, he was in the process of leaving the Mormon faith. They came to realize there were problems with Mormon doctrine compared to Biblical Christianity.
Sandra explains that the Mormon view of God is not Biblical, with a belief that God was once a man like us on another planet, and grew to become a god. She says they believe that there are multiple gods for different planets throughout the universe. After studying the differences between the God of the Bible and the Mormon god, she had to make a choice to either accept God or accept Joseph Smith. Smith said that the Mormon god spoke to him verbally as a teenager, and claimed that all Churches were wrong, all their creeds were an abomination, and that god was going to start a new church with Joseph.
Tim asks Sandra if she would vote for Mitt Romney as a Mormon. She says as a person living in Utah she has no choice but to vote for a Mormon in local elections since they are the only people running for office. In Mormonism the authority is much more emphatic than it is in other Christian faiths. She says that as a

cont
LTM

Terrace Bay, Canada

#474965 Sep 5, 2013
cont
Mormon Romney was once a Bishop, and in the temple ceremony he has sworn obedience to the Mormon Church that takes precedent over any oath he would take as the US President. This oath is the most binding oath a Mormon can ever take, even if Romney might publicly state that the Presidential oath would take precedent.
Sandra says that Mormons believe that in the end times when Christ returns He will setup His kingdom on earth in Independence Missouri, and that Christ will rule during the millennial reign through the Mormon church. The Mormon Church leaders will be the ones ruling in a theocracy. Joseph Smith gave a prophecy called the White Horse prophecy, saying that at the time of the end the US Constitution will be hanging by a thread, and a Mormon Church elder will ride on a metaphorical white horse and save it (MB: The White Horse Prophecy is described on Sandra's website here: White Horse Prophecy). She mentions that many Mormons may believe that Romney is a fulfillment of this prophecy.
Tim mentions that Joseph Smith was the first Mormon to run for President. Sandra says that Smith believed that as President he could make an easy transition from President of the USA to the head of the political kingdom of God on earth under Christ. She says that in the end times the Mormons believe they will be gathered to Independence Missouri, and she points out that there is nothing in the Bible about Zion being in Independence Missouri. Mormons believe that Joseph restored the Gospel after a great apostasy, and Tim asks when the apostasy happened. Sandra talks about the belief in apostolic ordination, and that when the apostles passed there was no succession, with the god of Mormonism revoking the priestly authority after the first apostles died. Tim then asks why the Mormons bring the King James Bible with them when witnessing. Sandra mentions that the KJV is used to convince people that they really are Christians, but that it is a bait and switch, and that they really only believe in the Bible insofar as it is "correctly translated".
Tim asks how many changes there have been to the book of Mormon, and Sandra responds that there have been over 4000 changes. Some of the changes are minor grammatical changes while others are very major. She then talks about the translation process, and goes on to talk about the 4000 changes to a manuscript that was supposed to be dictated directly by God. Sandra's website is at Utah Lighthouse Ministries (UTLM). For further information on Mormonism go to the UTLM.org website and check out the "resources" section.(Ed: MB)
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