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Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#474646 Sep 3, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly ..personal decision to believe by Faith through the FREE gift of Grace ..
Nit dispensed by any one But our Lord And Saviour Jesus,Christ
Romans 10

14 But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?

Mathew 7

21 “Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them,‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

He founded a church. The Apostles were sent. They taught and appointed others. They said to listen to those who were over you. They did not say pass out books, appoint yourself ministers and start every which way of teaching where no one is an authority and noone can proclaim the truth with authority. The Church is the ground and pillar of the truth not your endless interpretations of what you think the bible says of the books you accept. The church approves and sends others to hear the gospel. The church administers the sacraments. The church is the instrument through which God brings people to him to do his will. Paul went to a member of the Church and he was baptized. The church one faith, one baptism ONE Lord. The path to the Lord is narrow and the path to destruction is broad.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#474647 Sep 3, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 10
....
Greeks 14.

Looks like the Greeks have it wrapped up.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#474648 Sep 3, 2013
OldJG wrote:
For our Roman Catholic friends.
If a person can lose their salvation as AnthonyMN as indicated, did Peter lose his salvation when he denied Jesus 3 times? If not, why not? Actually, Peter denied Jesus 3 more times later.
Have you noticed the contrast when you look at the Greek words for “love” used in John 21:15-17. When Jesus asked Peter “do you love me?” in John 21:15-16, He used the Greek word AGAPE which refers to unconditional love. Both times, Peter responded with “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you,” using the Greek word PHILEO which refers more to a friendship type of love. It seems that Jesus is trying to get Peter to understand that he must love Jesus unconditionally in order to be the leader God is calling him to be. The third time Jesus asks “do you love me?” in John 21:17, He uses the word PHILEO, and Peter again responds with “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you,” again using PHILEO.
The first two times Jesus asks Peter, "Do you AGAPE me"? And both times Peter tells Jesus, AGAPE, no Lord, but PHILEO, yes. Finally, Jesus asks Peter a third time but does not use the word AGAPE but Jesus uses the word PHILEO.
Peter NEVER told Jesus he loved him with unconditional love. However, he did tell Jesus, Lord I am your buddy.
Several denials even after seeing the resurrected Jesus. Did Peter lose his salvation? If he didn't, who did?
I didn't think you believed in OSAS. I really didn't. I thought you, Preston and Confrint didn't. But the others did. It gets difficult keeping track of how you all interpret the Bible.
I thought born agains are led to biblical truth? One of yous are damned for changing the word of God without authorization. I hope you're sure enough about OSAS to risk your soul,.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#474649 Sep 3, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you,for your answer,it is sufficient!
Pad, do you believe in OSAS? From what I can tell, the Born Agains are equally divided. That's not good. Truly I am not trying to rub your faces in this. But I believe this is a serious problem because one side is undoing the word of God.
You would agree with that, right? Please don't sweep it under the computer like its no big deal. This subject was taught by the Apostles. The word of God was revealed and now some of you obviously changed it.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474650 Sep 3, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
I'm puzzled. I get that way sometimes when I meditate on Gods word.
In the Bible Christ told a man whom He had healed of his infirmities to go and sin no more. I'm puzzled as to why Christ would tell someone to sin no more knowing full well that everyone that is in these flesh bodies eventually will sin again.
Scripture even tells us that if we say we don't sin then we are lying.
Why would Christ tell a man to do somethign that He knows full well a mortal is incapable of doing? I'm puzzled.
Tony17,there is a big difference between sinning willfully,and sinning by occasion and also by omission.We are instructed by Jesus to go and sin no more,that is do not willfully embark on a course to sin.

When we sin in 1 JOHN 1:9 The Apostle tells us,we have an Advocate with the Father who is Christ Jesus the Son,He will be our mediator to cancel out sin.But the Apostle when he wrote that epistle also meant that the act of sinning without the willful continuous desire to sin,was what believers would be guilty of.If a believer continues to sin,and plans to sin,and purposely seeks out ways to sin,he or she is really not a believer.

But we have those sins that human beings commit that are grievous,but not fully intentioned.Sin does destroy,but the believer has the access to the Father through the Son to forgive sin.You have to look at the heart of the matter.Seeking to sin is the slavery of being a sinner,who has not experienced GRACE.Sin deeply embedded into the soul of a person has to be uprooted by the shed blood of Christ.Repentance and receiving Grace cancels the bondage the person is in with his or her sin.

Sin is inevitable until we leave this planet,but it does not have dominion over us any longer.We need not be slaves to it,but when we sin we have an ADVOCATE with the Father,His Son.

We all sin,and by omission as well,thinks we should have done,or failed to do,disobedience is part of that as well.But the believer may not have fixed in the heart to purposely sin and reject God.But when we are determined to sin,and to grieve the Holy Spirit,we are denying that Christ died for us,and that the Father's grace was never applied to us.

but
Human Being

Church Point, LA

#474651 Sep 3, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>So where do you stand betwixt two opinions sir?
Pad

Peace

Sometimes opinions are based in reason, and other times this is not the case.

In either way, my opinions are of little significance to others. So a bit of observation is the best substitute for an opinion.

I tire of irrational, and chaotic opinions from others for now. There is little one can do to prove reason is superior to a mind which is irrational and chaotic.

That is where I stand betwixt opinions.....

Peace

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#474652 Sep 3, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>So where do you stand betwixt two opinions sir?
Food,for thought and interesting

http://www.aish.com/h/hh/rh/shofar/Answering-...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#474653 Sep 3, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
So tell me what did you do to save yourself N.A.S.L.???
This is where you have already concluded, which means you are wrong in your thinking.

As I've stated, I haven't the foggiest if I will be saved. You on the other, like all so-called "Christians" think you ARE SAVED, just becuase you read a few words, do a jog and then preach your way to "stardom".

a. Be humble
b. Look within to find your faults. Examine them - one-by-one, and see where you do fail. Correct them if it is possible. But "God" probably understands that some things have changed in our world, and some things cannot be correct. Which leads me to say...
c. Hold no regret for what you do or done. Don't live in the past and do the things you enjoy doing - that make you happy.
d. Utilize the teachers of the past and find their words of moral motivation and morale stimulation.
e. A happy person, yourSelf, will continue to do good things for others, and will realize that doing something bad, like not beign honest, only affects the bad things in life, and really - who wants that?

In one word - Self - has the best chance of saving by a divine being associated to our next world.

If you aren't completely honest, then you won't understand what it means to "be saved".

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#474654 Sep 3, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong it all began and started with God the Father,.
Because of His Grace and Mercy, salvation was never humans idea it was God's . Read Eph 2.
One must do something to attain this information or enlightenment.

Please state to me why "God" specifically chose you for one to receive "His Grace and Mercy".

Please support your claim with some something other than your opinion. Article? Video? Eye-witness?

BTW LTM - you seem intelligent enough. Please state where "God" specifically states that certain texts are inspired and which are not.

Thanks for reading my post.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#474655 Sep 3, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong it all began and started with God the Father,.
Because of His Grace and Mercy, salvation was never humans idea it was God's . Read Eph 2.
Oh yeah - I meant to add this important note, you have seemed to miss:

"Paul's gospel" - as he calls it - is not Jesus' teaching.

Why do you think "Paul" is more enlightened than Jesus?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#474656 Sep 3, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
God had a reason to Create a man and a woman. Quote: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
There is only one way that will happen...intercourse must happen...to discuss this event, that has the blessing of God, is not making a tabloid subject OUT OF MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...
Get your mind out of the gutter!!!!!
~~~

You would like to draw any one here

that will respond into more porn discussion ..

.now would you not...?

Well I aint going there...

The Bible says...

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren,

whatsoever things are true,

whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just,

whatsoever things are pure,

whatsoever things are lovely,

whatsoever things are of good report;

if there be any virtue, and

if there be any praise, think on these things.

I my mind is in the gutter...

where is your mind...

The sewer????

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#474657 Sep 3, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
My thought is that they didn't even name themselves ..just did discipleship from their villages ..And some escaped persecution .
At some point Waldo joined them ..And that's where a lot if the history comes from
It stands to reason that some folks,touched by the original disciples
Did not join organized religion ..there was no phone ..no internet ..there were people outside of the government ..which was closely allied with the RCC ..
Especially Rome ..
I watched ..I think the first two ..I think there are four altogether
I have to go further .
Thing is most history .is,written by the victors ..And the big guys :)
Let me know what you find ..God bless you ..
How many of the Original Apostles to you accept as viable teachers?

There were 13 as "it is written".
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474658 Sep 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad, do you believe in OSAS? From what I can tell, the Born Agains are equally divided. That's not good. Truly I am not trying to rub your faces in this. But I believe this is a serious problem because one side is undoing the word of God.
You would agree with that, right? Please don't sweep it under the computer like its no big deal. This subject was taught by the Apostles. The word of God was revealed and now some of you obviously changed it.
Clay,we become a new creation in Christ when we are converted.2 Corinthians 5:17. The fact is we are converted,and changed by the Grace of God,when we give ourselves to the Living Christ. That new life is sealed unto Redemption.But we also have the Lord Jesus say Himself that "He who endures to the end will be saved."Our salvation in Christ NEVER is threatened by the world,and Satan,while we are abiding in Christ.

To abide in Christ we must be determined to live for Him,Love Him,communicate with Him every day,and so on.However that is not always the case with so many people who come to the Lord.They stray.

Straying is not the end of one's salvation,either is temptation the end of one's salvation,because Jesus was tempted.But what threatens a person's salvation is the willful departing from the faith.A person let's say who was a believer,and than abandons their faith and decides to be atheist or return to their sin with a vengeance,denying God with a full heart.

The trouble is if that person never opens up their heart to God,repents and returns to the LOVER of their Soul,they have rejected the only source of their salvation and deliverance.So how if before they ever were converted they basically were destined to an eternity without God,how can they expect that if they reject and abhor the Living God,and never repent and die in that sinful state,can salvation be theirs? The New Creation in Christ is complete in the Resurrection.A person's will to finally abandon God and return to their VOMIT leaves them stripped of the salvation they once knew.That is why we always preach that Repentance is needed every day,we must ask God to forgive daily.We must die daily.

Salvation was not obtained in a cheap way,and we cannot expect that if we decide to no longer be saved,and to purposely destroy that gift we received,than salvation is no longer available,UNLESS that person does repent and become renewed in the Spirit and Love of the Savior.

I do not believe that a person who truly believes and has experienced God,that they will refuse to repent of sin and be made clean by the LORD who purchased them with a great price.

Nevertheless, we are given a Free Will,and within that sphere of human action,we either live for Him or reject Him.We compel people to always confess their sins,and to repent,why do that if a person can recklessly continue in their sin,and yet be saved no matter what?Personally Clay,I do not like the phrase Once Saved Always Saved,it has a smug prideful air to it.But on the other hand,we can rejoice in what Christ has done,and that He saves to the uttermost,and He says "IF we abide in Him,He will abide with us." The Free Will is there right to the end.That does not take one ounce of Power from the message of the Cross,and What our Lord did for us all!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#474659 Sep 3, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Clay,we become a new creation in Christ when we are converted.2 Corinthians 5:17. The fact is we are converted,and changed by the Grace of God,when we give ourselves to the Living Christ. That new life is sealed unto Redemption.But we also have the Lord Jesus say Himself that "He who endures to the end will be saved."Our salvation in Christ NEVER is threatened by the world,and Satan,while we are abiding in Christ.
To abide in Christ we must be determined to live for Him,Love Him,communicate with Him every day,and so on.However that is not always the case with so many people who come to the Lord.They stray.
Straying is not the end of one's salvation,either is temptation the end of one's salvation,because Jesus was tempted.But what threatens a person's salvation is the willful departing from the faith.A person let's say who was a believer,and than abandons their faith and decides to be atheist or return to their sin with a vengeance,denying God with a full heart.
The trouble is if that person never opens up their heart to God,repents and returns to the LOVER of their Soul,they have rejected the only source of their salvation and deliverance.So how if before they ever were converted they basically were destined to an eternity without God,how can they expect that if they reject and abhor the Living God,and never repent and die in that sinful state,can salvation be theirs? The New Creation in Christ is complete in the Resurrection.A person's will to finally abandon God and return to their VOMIT leaves them stripped of the salvation they once knew.That is why we always preach that Repentance is needed every day,we must ask God to forgive daily.We must die daily.
Salvation was not obtained in a cheap way,and we cannot expect that if we decide to no longer be saved,and to purposely destroy that gift we received,than salvation is no longer available,UNLESS that person does repent and become renewed in the Spirit and Love of the Savior.
I do not believe that a person who truly believes and has experienced God,that they will refuse to repent of sin and be made clean by the LORD who purchased them with a great price.
Nevertheless, we are given a Free Will,and within that sphere of human action,we either live for Him or reject Him.We compel people to always confess their sins,and to repent,why do that if a person can recklessly continue in their sin,and yet be saved no matter what?Personally Clay,I do not like the phrase Once Saved Always Saved,it has a smug prideful air to it.But on the other hand,we can rejoice in what Christ has done,and that He saves to the uttermost,and He says "IF we abide in Him,He will abide with us." The Free Will is there right to the end.That does not take one ounce of Power from the message of the Cross,and What our Lord did for us all!
Repeating it over and over again, will not make it true, except for yourself.

Been reading too many of hojo's posts, huh?

:o)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#474660 Sep 3, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad, do you believe in OSAS? From what I can tell, the Born Agains are equally divided. That's not good. Truly I am not trying to rub your faces in this. But I believe this is a serious problem because one side is undoing the word of God.
You would agree with that, right? Please don't sweep it under the computer like its no big deal. This subject was taught by the Apostles. The word of God was revealed and now some of you obviously changed it.
~~~

You Roman Catholics claim that you do not believe in eternal security...

but you go so far that you believe in no security at all...

Since you don't believe in being obedient to Jesus and

Being Born again..

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I can understand why you can't promise any one in the Roman Catholic Church that they can know they have eternal life ..

Because of the quandary you live in.... by disregarding Jesus' words,

you can't take hold of the GOLDEN TEXT... of the Bible.

which says....

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

and claim it as you own...

YOU HAVE NO SECURITY ...CONDITIONAL (WHICH I BELIEVE IN)

OR UNCONDITIONAL... WHICH IS THE O S A S

ALL YOU OFFER IS A DEAD END STREET...OR RELIGIOUS BINGO

Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#474661 Sep 3, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly ..personal decision to believe by Faith through the FREE gift of Grace ..
Nit dispensed by any one But our Lord And Saviour Jesus,Christ
True Rose, but it also raises many questions;

1. Exactly HOW does He dispense it?
2. If there are disagreements as to how, WHO decides? It can't be the bible because people disagree as to what the bible says about it.
3. If someone says it's the Holy Spirit telling them, how do you decide between a different person who says the Holy Spirit tells them something else?

This is where Sacred Tradition comes in. What did those who were taught by the apostles say? And those they taught?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474662 Sep 3, 2013
OldJG wrote:
For our Roman Catholic friends.
If a person can lose their salvation as AnthonyMN as indicated, did Peter lose his salvation when he denied Jesus 3 times? If not, why not? Actually, Peter denied Jesus 3 more times later.
Have you noticed the contrast when you look at the Greek words for “love” used in John 21:15-17. When Jesus asked Peter “do you love me?” in John 21:15-16, He used the Greek word AGAPE which refers to unconditional love. Both times, Peter responded with “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you,” using the Greek word PHILEO which refers more to a friendship type of love. It seems that Jesus is trying to get Peter to understand that he must love Jesus unconditionally in order to be the leader God is calling him to be. The third time Jesus asks “do you love me?” in John 21:17, He uses the word PHILEO, and Peter again responds with “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you,” again using PHILEO.
The first two times Jesus asks Peter, "Do you AGAPE me"? And both times Peter tells Jesus, AGAPE, no Lord, but PHILEO, yes. Finally, Jesus asks Peter a third time but does not use the word AGAPE but Jesus uses the word PHILEO.
Peter NEVER told Jesus he loved him with unconditional love. However, he did tell Jesus, Lord I am your buddy.
Several denials even after seeing the resurrected Jesus. Did Peter lose his salvation? If he didn't, who did?
When did Jesus breathe on the Apostles,the Holy Spirit?

Non of the Apostles really knew Jesus in the born-again experience we know until Jesus breathed on them,and that was later sealed by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.Was Judas saved?

Peter's denial of Jesus could very well have stayed as a stubborn seed in his life,had not he willingly joined with the other Apostles and hid with them in the upper room.Peter saw that Jesus was not in the tomb,and was it not possible that he believed Mary of Magdella was telling the truth about seeing Yeshua in the garden by the tomb?

Peter was not saved and never to lose his salvation,when he denied Christ 3 times.Because he was blinded spiritually by the events of that day,and the whole world seemed to crumble around him.Yes he knew that Jesus was sent from the Father,but he did not know that Jesus would resurrect from the dead,WHY?

All that Jesus died for cannot be brought to naught by our will to ultimately reject Him.He gave us a free will,and that never leaves us our whole life time.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#474663 Sep 3, 2013
OldJG wrote:
For our Roman Catholic friends.
If a person can lose their salvation as AnthonyMN as indicated, did Peter lose his salvation when he denied Jesus 3 times? If not, why not? Actually, Peter denied Jesus 3 more times later.
Have you noticed the contrast when you look at the Greek words for “love” used in John 21:15-17. When Jesus asked Peter “do you love me?” in John 21:15-16, He used the Greek word AGAPE which refers to unconditional love. Both times, Peter responded with “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you,” using the Greek word PHILEO which refers more to a friendship type of love. It seems that Jesus is trying to get Peter to understand that he must love Jesus unconditionally in order to be the leader God is calling him to be. The third time Jesus asks “do you love me?” in John 21:17, He uses the word PHILEO, and Peter again responds with “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you,” again using PHILEO.
The first two times Jesus asks Peter, "Do you AGAPE me"? And both times Peter tells Jesus, AGAPE, no Lord, but PHILEO, yes. Finally, Jesus asks Peter a third time but does not use the word AGAPE but Jesus uses the word PHILEO.
Peter NEVER told Jesus he loved him with unconditional love. However, he did tell Jesus, Lord I am your buddy.
Several denials even after seeing the resurrected Jesus. Did Peter lose his salvation? If he didn't, who did?
It's not just me who says you can turn away from God and lose your salvation, most bible alone protestants sat it too.

Did St. Peter lose his salvation? No serious Christian believes that.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#474664 Sep 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
How many of the Original Apostles to you accept as viable teachers?
There were 13 as "it is written".
~~~
JUST TRIVIA..NOTHING MORE... ONLY INFORMATION...
DON'T YOU EVER HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE TO OFFER ?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474665 Sep 3, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Repeating it over and over again, will not make it true, except for yourself.
Been reading too many of hojo's posts, huh?
:o)
Your right kind of repetitive,but you know NASL,sometimes things have to be expounded,especially that which is so important for men's souls,and their lives. What do you believe concerning our destiny,why have you never shared that with us?

You attack us,and tell us we are wrong,but you fail to honestly share the way of salvation for humanity.Share it!

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