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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 699379 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Pad

Rockford, IL

#474369 Sep 1, 2013
BillCooperWasRight wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Buddy, The Roman Empire Was Never Defeated!
Personally I Seem To Side With Those Scholars Who Deem Vatican City The "Holy" Roman Empire But, To Lend More Credence To Your Argument, You're Always Looking For A Fight!
Please, No More Cowardly Responses To My REASONABLE Questions!
Now Who's With Me On My Previous Post DAMN IT!
Sorry there is no fast food restaurants here!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#474370 Sep 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The dictionary you use is not authorized to define the Church that Jesus started. Besides, Roman made its way into the English language to label the Church and its not going away anytime soon. The Church is the Church.
Jesus Christ- God made manifest- only started one Church. He has only one bride. Private Bible worshipers like yourself, attempt to divide it into 42,000, essentially making a mockery out of His ministry.
Thanks for proving my words...you are way yonder past ignorant...

Roman Catholic Church
n.
The Christian church characterized by an episcopal hierarchy with the pope as its head and belief in seven sacraments and the authority of tradition.
It a new book on the market...its called English dictionary!!!!

You are not even in the same town the ball game is being played...much less the park!!!!!

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#474371 Sep 1, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>But Preston,I see that he recently has returned to RCism,and claims to have a personal walk with the Lord.2009 is almost three years ago.I will confront him if he ever comes on here again,Isn't human being Robert F?
yes, HB is Robert.
he posted on this other forum and june outed him ,on this Forum of ours.

Robert is very intelligent, I give him that, but he is very devious and says to You, what he thinks that you want to hear. and then will turn around and say to June what she wishes to hear.

I MUST go with what God has shown me, and I knew he was not what he said he is, and I have called him on this , several years ago.

while he was telling the catholics on this forum, that he was a catholic, he was on other forums saying that he is an atheist.

I guess that you missed CIB's(several weeks ago) post to Robert, when CIB mocked Roberts claim to be a catholic now.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#474372 Sep 1, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Only Robert and God know ..he says,his focus is the Suffering on the Cross ..
You can fool all the people ..But not Our Lord
sorry Ros, but Robert cant {fool] all of the people. I have known about his foolishness for several years.

God has given me the [gift] of discernment, and this gift has NEVER failed me.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#474373 Sep 1, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Your father is really proud of you for deriding sons of God and the Gospel Truth in God's Sacred Infallible Bible as "Typical bible only "propagandist" "false and distorted "lying" anti-catholic agenda!" "vindictive, argumentative and hatefilled "bible only buffoons"......
Hang in there....you probably will gain a great reward!!!! Your own pitchfork!!!!!
I'm not worried!! But YOU should be!!!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474374 Sep 1, 2013
Ashlee wrote:
<quoted text> Amen. Jesus is began our church :-) and we are the members. ALL are welcome. Jesus died for all of us sinners. The Holy Spirit will lead those who want to follow him. Truth will be shown. God bless you and all the other faithful and we pray for the mislead and deceived. The hardened of heart still have a chance by the grace of God too :-).
The GRACE of God is undeserved favor,Read John 8:1-11.That story has some interesting points to it.The Pharisees and experts of the law were all about proving a point,but for Jesus it was all about the Person.Also the Pharisees wanted to TRAP Jesus,they purposely orchestrated having a man seek the woman's sexual company,and went to grab her,they brought her before the whole crowd,near the synagogue.She was in total disgrace no doubt,and knew that her days were numbered.She was guilty,and for the Jewish Canon she was to be stoned.

The Pharisees asked Jesus after presenting the woman caught in adultery,and telling Him of her fate,stoning to death,((WHAT DO YOU SAY?)). What would Jesus do? Well it is important that for sexual transgressions in those days and through much of Jewish history,the letter of the law was very complicated.Jews did not have an easy answer for dealing with sexual sin,unless the person was caught in the act. Jesus stunned the audience with a quick and deliberate response: "ALL right,stone her,But let those who have never sinned throw the first stones!" Then He stooped down again and wrote in the dust.

verse 9,When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one,beginning with the oldest,until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman.
10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to her,"WHERE are your accusers? Did not one of them condemn you?" 11 "No, Lord," she replied.
AND Jesus said,"Neither do I condemn you.Go and sin no more."

Grace is Jesus who gives to us what we are not able to ever receive from a court of law,or a justice system.

Unless there are men and women who are receiving grace to turn around and go opposite of their sinful paths,all the religious ceremonies and rituals will not bring them to the true everlasting Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.We all need to experience the grace that woman met in Jesus Christ.

Jesus said to the people,"I am the light of the world.If you follow me,you will not be stumbling through the darkness,because you will have the light that leads t o life."
The Pharisees retorted."YOU are making false claims about yourself!"
Jesus replied,"These claims are valid even though I make them about myself.For I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know this about me.You judge me with all your human reasoning's and limitations,but I am not judging anyone.
"AND if I did, my judgment would be correct in every respect because I am not alone-I have with me the Father who sent me.
"Your own law says that if two people agree about something,their witness is accepted as fact:
"I am one witness,and my Father who sent me is the other." John 8:12-18.

1. Jesus is full of grace for everyone.
2.He desires us to be full of grace for one another.

The only way we can be filled with grace is to get it from the source Christ,in His Word where all the truth about Him is written.We must fill up on the Word,that is the channel of how the Grace of the LORD is in us.

No religious organization or denomination can give you the grace to operate in Christ,only the reading and embracing the Word,and from that the Holy Spirit will pour into you His Grace.The Father ,Son and Holy Spirit are more than capable of filling every believer in Christ,that is our salvation,our walk,and finally our resurrection into Eternal Life in Him.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474375 Sep 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>yes, HB is Robert.
he posted on this other forum and june outed him ,on this Forum of ours.
Robert is very intelligent, I give him that, but he is very devious and says to You, what he thinks that you want to hear. and then will turn around and say to June what she wishes to hear.
I MUST go with what God has shown me, and I knew he was not what he said he is, and I have called him on this , several years ago.
while he was telling the catholics on this forum, that he was a catholic, he was on other forums saying that he is an atheist.
I guess that you missed CIB's(several weeks ago) post to Robert, when CIB mocked Roberts claim to be a catholic now.
If that is the case,than he sure is screwed up to say the least.But June,says in one post that Robert backslid into Catholicism,because he is afraid of losing his soul,and fears that he will not get into heaven to continue spouting atheism.

Robert needs to make himself clear,because a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. So I challenge Robert F(Human Being) to set his own record straight.Is he troubled between two decisions?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474376 Sep 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>yes, HB is Robert.
he posted on this other forum and june outed him ,on this Forum of ours.
Robert is very intelligent, I give him that, but he is very devious and says to You, what he thinks that you want to hear. and then will turn around and say to June what she wishes to hear.
I MUST go with what God has shown me, and I knew he was not what he said he is, and I have called him on this , several years ago.
while he was telling the catholics on this forum, that he was a catholic, he was on other forums saying that he is an atheist.
I guess that you missed CIB's(several weeks ago) post to Robert, when CIB mocked Roberts claim to be a catholic now.
You have to remember preston,that Robert originally was RC,and that he went on a quest like so many do.He said that he ventured through many sects,and especially studied eastern religions.For the longest time he cozied up with Islam,and was on their threads,claiming he was one of them.he than claimed that he finally found Christ,although he did say he was born again and a Muslim at the same time.

So much debate back and forth,and recently he talks like a believer once again.When he stated he was considering Atheism,I figured that he must suffer from an emotional problem,and cannot ever come to grips about faith.

But in the long run we all must answer for ourselves.We have the free will to choose,and you know that for sure.However if he is confused at his age,whether he must be a Christian and wants to be an Atheist,I really will pray for him,that he will be honest with himself and God.I will pray that anyway.RoEze is right,he cannot fool God.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474377 Sep 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>sorry Ros, but Robert cant {fool] all of the people. I have known about his foolishness for several years.
God has given me the [gift] of discernment, and this gift has NEVER failed me.
No one can deny you that!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#474378 Sep 1, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Only Robert and God know ..he says,his focus is the Suffering on the Cross ..
You can fool all the people ..But not Our Lord
I have to leave,but I just wanted to say it was great praying with you,Seraphima and Nick.They are really quite a couple,they will make a big difference no matter wherever God places them in life.I love their spirit. RoEze,take care of yourself,and keep believing. Don't ever give up!
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#474379 Sep 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody is running from the title 'Roman Catholic'.
We are just clarifying why the adjective 'Roman' is placed before Catholic. You guys think its a separate Church. In fact, the title came from the Protestants to try and make it separate.
Roman is used to announce the rite being practiced by the diocese of Rome. Catholic Churches in America can rightfully refer to themselves as Roman Catholic if they are practicing the Roman rite. But its not a separate Church than the 22 other Catholic Churches.
The title Roman is not a big deal, except when fanatics try and use it out of context to imply its a separate Church in itself and the Whore of Babylon.
Really, that's just another example in a long line of ignorance and deception embrace by fundies.
So go ahead, Rose. I am a Roman Catholic. I went to Mass this mornin and participated in the Roman rite and liturgy. Although I do plan on attending St. John the Baptist Byzantine Catholic Mass one of these days. I highly doubt I will join that Church. But if I did, I wouldn't be Roman Catholic anymore.
In our day, much greater emphasis has been given to these "non-Roman" rites of the Catholic Church. The Second Vatican Council devoted a special document, Orientalium Ecclesiarum (Decree on Eastern Catholic Churches), to the Eastern rites which belong to the Catholic Church, and the new Catechism of the Catholic Church similarly gives considerable attention to the distinctive traditions and spirituality of these Eastern rites.

So the proper name for the universal Church is not the Roman Catholic Church. Far from it. That term caught on mostly in English-speaking countries; it was promoted mostly by Anglicans, supporters of the "branch theory" of the Church, namely, that the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church of the creed was supposed to consist of three major branches, the Anglican, the Orthodox and the so-called Roman Catholic. It was to avoid that kind of interpretation that the English-speaking bishops at Vatican I succeeded in warning the Church away from ever using the term officially herself: It too easily could be misunderstood.

Today in an era of widespread dissent in the Church, and of equally widespread confusion regarding what authentic Catholic identity is supposed to consist of, many loyal Catholics have recently taken to using the term Roman Catholic in order to affirm their understanding that the Catholic Church of the Sunday creed is the same Church that is united with the Vicar of Christ in Rome, the Pope. This understanding of theirs is correct, but such Catholics should nevertheless beware of using the term, not only because of its dubious origins in Anglican circles intending to suggest that there just might be some other Catholic Church around somewhere besides the Roman one: but also because it often still is used today to suggest that the Roman Catholic Church is something other and lesser than the Catholic Church of the creed. It is commonly used by some dissenting theologians, for example, who appear to be attempting to categorize the Roman Catholic Church as just another contemporary "Christian denomination"--not the body that is identical with the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church of the creed.

The proper name of the Church, then, is the Catholic Church. It is not ever called "the Christian Church," either. Although the prestigious Oxford University Press currently publishes a learned and rather useful reference book called "The Oxford Book of the Christian Church," the fact is that there has never been a major entity in history called by that name; the Oxford University Press has adopted a misnomer, for the Church of Christ has never been called the Christian Church.

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.ht...

Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#474380 Sep 1, 2013
A Rite represents an ecclesiastical, or church, tradition about how the sacraments are to be celebrated. Each of the sacraments has at its core an essential nature which must be satisfied for the sacrament to be confected or realized. This essence of matter, form and intention derives from the divinely revealed nature of the particular sacrament. It cannot be changed by the Church. Scripture and Sacred Tradition, as interpreted by the Magisterium, tells us what is essential in each of the sacraments (2 Thes. 2:15).

When the apostles brought the Gospel to the major cultural centers of their day the essential elements of religious practice were inculturated into those cultures. This means that the essential elements were clothed in the symbols and trappings of the particular people, so that the rituals conveyed the desired spiritual meaning to that culture. In this way the Church becomes all things to all men that some might be saved (1 Cor. 9:22).

There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Rite from the Antiochian, under the influence of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic_r...
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#474381 Sep 1, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody is running from the title 'Roman Catholic'.
We are just clarifying why the adjective 'Roman' is placed before Catholic. You guys think its a separate Church. In fact, the title came from the Protestants to try and make it separate.
Roman is used to announce the rite being practiced by the diocese of Rome. Catholic Churches in America can rightfully refer to themselves as Roman Catholic if they are practicing the Roman rite. But its not a separate Church than the 22 other Catholic Churches.
The title Roman is not a big deal, except when fanatics try and use it out of context to imply its a separate Church in itself and the Whore of Babylon.
Really, that's just another example in a long line of ignorance and deception embrace by fundies.
So go ahead, Rose. I am a Roman Catholic. I went to Mass this mornin and participated in the Roman rite and liturgy. Although I do plan on attending St. John the Baptist Byzantine Catholic Mass one of these days. I highly doubt I will join that Church. But if I did, I wouldn't be Roman Catholic anymore.
Therein lies the difference. You define yourself by the church you attend and we define ourselves by the Savior we follow.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#474382 Sep 1, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Dark night of the soul!! I haven't heard that for awhile.
.
I had a night like that myself, but God never leaves us does He .
His Gentle Spirit always pursues us right to the end.
I just kept praying, even if I felt I was praying to the ceiling.
LTM

The Lord tests in different ways. And in the case of faith, we often rely to much on our own understanding. Faith is the evidence of things unseen.

Often the Dark Night of the Soul may be short, or in some it can be a lifetime.

Peace
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#474383 Sep 1, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>But Preston,I see that he recently has returned to RCism,and claims to have a personal walk with the Lord.2009 is almost three years ago.I will confront him if he ever comes on here again,Isn't human being Robert F?
Why don't you give it a rest oh holiest of holy. I pray for Robert. He was originally a Protestant and converted to the church. Yes he has gone through deep struggles. Many Saints have also had moments of darkeness or lost their faith or way and sought out something different. Preston would likely have never accepted Paul bringing up his past. No such thing as new with that Loon who thinks he is an Apostle. Preston is a certified nutcase and he doesnt have any discernment. Get Real! LOL Everyone is a liar except him and his fantasties that he chats with God and gets revelations after he googles it. The guy is a gossip and a fraud and not worthy of acknowledgement to feed his Narcissism.

I hope Robert continues to seek and find the Lord and strengthens and grows in his faith and journey to do the will of the Father. I am not going to condemn him while he is finding his way to the Lord. I hope he finds peace and can be an instrument to serve God. Preston could turn antony Flew back into an atheist. God knows Roberts heart and you don't get to tell him what he believes nor do you know his personal struggle. He doesnt spend his time attacking Protestants like you all do the church. He has more patience than everyone on this board combined. You have your beliefs and I have mine. God will judge all in the end. Those who hear him will come and you wont get any converts beating your bibles over peoples heads. It takes conversation none of which has ever occured on these threads. You cant tell someone what they believe. You cant convert a Muslim spouting hate. You seem to like Bishop Sheen. Well read his piece on Mary and and the Muslims. Bishop Sheen was a great Orator loved by Many protestants as well. He had more followers than Rush Limbaugh could dream of.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#474384 Sep 1, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>yes, HB is Robert.
he posted on this other forum and june outed him ,on this Forum of ours.
Robert is very intelligent, I give him that, but he is very devious and says to You, what he thinks that you want to hear. and then will turn around and say to June what she wishes to hear.
I MUST go with what God has shown me, and I knew he was not what he said he is, and I have called him on this , several years ago.
while he was telling the catholics on this forum, that he was a catholic, he was on other forums saying that he is an atheist.
I guess that you missed CIB's(several weeks ago) post to Robert, when CIB mocked Roberts claim to be a catholic now.
Only the,Lord,knows where he is,coming from ..cowboy ..

I understand going from unbelief to belief ..nit sure,I understand going back and forth ..But it's,his soul ...yes?

I know,in my own life..fir a brief period I read about CAYCE .But I always,believed Jesus,Christ wad the Son of God .And the Savior.

Cache had an odd combination of Christianity mixed EITH his belief I reincarnation ..I only hot into it briefly as it didn't ring true ..But it was interesting ..he really believed he COUKD read past lives..And
That we kept coming back to MSKE US closer to the model Jesus set for us.

Those things can be seductive ..a friend who professes Jesus had this thin g fir that SYLVIA,BRoWN ..She was helping me one day ..had her on the TV ..I said nit in my house. And tried to explain ..THST even if a person was not a charlatan those angels they hear from supposedly are not good ones..honorary she doesn't listen to that garbage any more .

I know she believes ..But has a,lot of other issues ..finally she is seeking Christian counselling ..thank God

Later on when I turned my heart and soul to the Saviour and ACTUALKY Read the bible itself..I realized how foolish Cayce was ..or misguided .

We get this life and eternity ...
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#474385 Sep 1, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>If that is the case,than he sure is screwed up to say the least.But June,says in one post that Robert backslid into Catholicism,because he is afraid of losing his soul,and fears that he will not get into heaven to continue spouting atheism.
Robert needs to make himself clear,because a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. So I challenge Robert F(Human Being) to set his own record straight.Is he troubled between two decisions?
Pad

Peace.

Yes I am Robert F.,

And I have set the record straight. But for some reason, Preston would prefer a crooked path. I understand why, but it is not for me to say. I prefer each to find out for themselves, as my opinion is of little value.

Myself, I have been on a journey of seeking God. And even in places where I think God is not, He is there.

I have been the Lost Sheep, and Jesus rescued me. Jesus Christ is my Redeemer, Lord, and Savior. There is nothing I can add, which would not complicate, and make crooked such a statement.

I shall not be at greater peace on this earth, though trials and tests await, as Jesus has given me peace.

Peace

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#474386 Sep 1, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you give it a rest oh holiest of holy. I pray for Robert. He was originally a Protestant and converted to the church. Yes he has gone through deep struggles. Many Saints have also had moments of darkeness or lost their faith or way and sought out something different. Preston would likely have never accepted Paul bringing up his past. No such thing as new with that Loon who thinks he is an Apostle. Preston is a certified nutcase and he doesnt have any discernment. Get Real! LOL Everyone is a liar except him and his fantasties that he chats with God and gets revelations after he googles it. The guy is a gossip and a fraud and not worthy of acknowledgement to feed his Narcissism.
I hope Robert continues to seek and find the Lord and strengthens and grows in his faith and journey to do the will of the Father. I am not going to condemn him while he is finding his way to the Lord. I hope he finds peace and can be an instrument to serve God. Preston could turn antony Flew back into an atheist. God knows Roberts heart and you don't get to tell him what he believes nor do you know his personal struggle. He doesnt spend his time attacking Protestants like you all do the church. He has more patience than everyone on this board combined. You have your beliefs and I have mine. God will judge all in the end. Those who hear him will come and you wont get any converts beating your bibles over peoples heads. It takes conversation none of which has ever occured on these threads. You cant tell someone what they believe. You cant convert a Muslim spouting hate. You seem to like Bishop Sheen. Well read his piece on Mary and and the Muslims. Bishop Sheen was a great Orator loved by Many protestants as well. He had more followers than Rush Limbaugh could dream of.
I like,Bishop Sheen ..he had a lot if common sense,as well as faith but wonder what Rush Limbaugh has to do with all this .

He's a smart man ..But not preacher.

I see Preston as a man of God ..

And just as its not our place to judge,Roberts faith ...
Same goes for Preston and his Faith .

See,dust..I can argue on points,..dogma..history..But Ibwoukd never think of judging what is between a,person and His,Saviour ..

I'm telling you ..there is a time coming..when despite our difference ..we may need others who believe in our Lord .

If you negate every one not Catholic ..You ate limiting your allies .

Just a thought ..
this

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#474387 Sep 1, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Therein lies the difference. You define yourself by the church you attend and we define ourselves by the Savior we follow.
Very true ..the,Church I attend did not die on the Cross for me ..neither did the apostles ..though some were martyred for the LORD .

ONLY JESUS was perfect ..only HE was the sacrifice whose blood washes us ..

I can change the Church I attend ..I can attend several or none..I cannot change my Saviour..

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#474388 Sep 1, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Your church was founded by......CONSTANTINE!!!!! The perversion you call the Catholic church was in fact a mixture of every pagan belief in the Roman Empire combined with true Christianity and the end result is what YOU call the Roman Catholic church. Satan founder your church not the Lord Jesus Christ.
Brilliant deduction old man! He was not satan though....but Constantine was a brilliant strategist and manipulator. I loved his "revelation" about the cross in the sun...how cunning...and such perfect timing. And then how his mother went to Jerusalem and miraculously found the crucifixion site of Jesus. Of course, anyone who denied that as fact would be murdered as a heretic...
You know what else amazes me? "Mark", the first accepted gospel, says "Jesus of Nazareth"...but the village of "Nazareth" didn't even exist until nearly 40 years after his death!
Whoever authored "Mark" could not have even been a contemporary of Jesus, or never even been in the area, or he would have known that.
And why do christians' always end their prayers with the Egyptian god of life and reproduction's name? It means "the utterance of Amen /Amon". Surely, they would use a different reference...

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