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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 701638 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Regina

Bloomfield, NJ

#473638 Aug 28, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Well it may be as you say and I may be wrong BuT I know what regina told me. So we both may be right! I believe that it is possible for both ways to happen.
Regina told you exactly what Regina said she told you, so pull your garbage on someone who doesn't have your number. Either prove it's me or stop with the false witness and detraction (both of which are sins). Praying for my "total destruction and annihilation" isn't going to help your cause. Maybe it's you who should learn to control her emotions. Now leave me out of your fantasies.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473639 Aug 28, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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a. Men wrote the Bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
There is no proof that this occurred.

It is correct men wrote the texts within the Bible, men chose the texts to be included within the Bible. The HS had nothing to do with it.

Unless you think the HS inspired an additional 300+ men, besides the many unknown authors of the NT texts. Do you?
Just Sayin wrote:
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b. You are right, I am not perfectly obedient to what Jesus taught.
Good. What teachings are you missing or not following?
Just Sayin wrote:
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c. Not all writings are inspired by God. Obvious enough unless you believe that God has multiple personalities.
You don't know this, so why state it?

Please state where "God" specifically lists which texts are inspired and which are not. Please post the date that corresponds to this specific statement.
Just Sayin wrote:
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d. Jesus is God the Son.
DOyou have any proof of this, or is this what you want to believe?

Jesus never called himself "God the Son", why do you?
Just Sayin wrote:
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The good news is that Truth can be known. This is the unchanging Creator of the Universe.
Two different statements, that neither have anything to do with each other.

True, in that the "truth can be known" - when we die.

False conclusion to state that you know "God" intimately enough to establish that he is the "unchanging Creator of the Universe".
- There is no proof that any god exists or existed. It is just a belief that was formulated by men for men to control others.

Why do you think those men were accurate, considering their limited access of "God" and that they are fallible?
Just Sayin wrote:
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Faith is a gift.
No - faith is learned.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#473640 Aug 28, 2013
hojo wrote:
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I wouldn't normally give "Pearls to swine" but I will make an exception in your case OX!..... My "born again experience has, is and will continue to be (each and everyYour judgmental and condemning "distorted personal opinion" regarding my personal faks" like you for over 35 years as a Protestant, and you like, everyone of your kind, CONTINUE to have "absolutely NO IDEA as to what you are talking about" which is no surprise to ANY OF US CATHOLICS who know the TRUTH of TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ--in and through HIS One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church!!!
edited for space

I appreciate you proving my words to be 110% correct...you don't have a testimony..you are depending on crackers and wine for your salvation...

The Word of God speaks of you: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

For forty years,I was exactly where you are today...I pray, by the Grace of God, the Holy Spirit will convict you of your gross error/s, and you will see the truth...from Scripture...

IV. Salvation

Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, justification, sanctification, and glorification. There is no salvation apart from personal faith in Jesus Christ as Lord.

A. Regeneration, or the new birth, is a work of God's grace whereby believers become new creatures in Christ Jesus. It is a change of heart wrought by the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin, to which the sinner responds in repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Repentance and faith are inseparable experiences of grace.

Repentance is a genuine turning from sin toward God. Faith is the acceptance of Jesus Christ and commitment of the entire personality to Him as Lord and Saviour.

B. Justification is God's gracious and full acquittal upon principles of His righteousness of all sinners who repent and believe in Christ. Justification brings the believer unto a relationship of peace and favor with God.

C. Sanctification is the experience, beginning in regeneration, by which the believer is set apart to God's purposes, and is enabled to progress toward moral and spiritual maturity through the presence and power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him. Growth in grace should continue throughout the regenerate person's life.

D. Glorification is the culmination of salvation and is the final blessed and abiding state of the redeemed.

Genesis 3:15; Exodus 3:14-17; 6:2-8; Matthew 1:21; 4:17; 16:21-26; 27:22-28:6; Luke 1:68-69; 2:28-32; John 1:11-14,29; 3:3-21,36; 5:24; 10:9,28-29; 15:1-16; 17:17; Acts 2:21; 4:12; 15:11; 16:30-31; 17:30-31; 20:32; Romans 1:16-18; 2:4; 3:23-25; 4:3ff.; 5:8-10; 6:1-23; 8:1-18,29-39; 10:9-10,13; 13:11-14; 1 Corinthians 1:18,30; 6:19-20; 15:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17-20; Galatians 2:20; 3:13; 5:22-25; 6:15; Ephesians 1:7; 2:8-22; 4:11-16; Philippians 2:12-13; Colossians 1:9-22; 3:1ff.; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; 2 Timothy 1:12; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 2:1-3; 5:8-9; 9:24-28; 11:1-12:8,14; James 2:14-26; 1 Peter 1:2-23; 1 John 1:6-2:11; Revelation 3:20; 21:1-22:5.

The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.

Matthew 3:13-17; 26:26-30; 28:19-20; Mark 1:9-11; 14:22-26; Luke 3:21-22; 22:19-20; John 3:23; Acts 2:41-42; 8:35-39; 16:30-33; 20:7; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21; 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12.

There is no salvation in this symbolic act of obedience.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#473641 Aug 28, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Guess what,you are posting to one who was raised in the thick of Roman Catholicism on the East Coast.I have seen many a person kneel before statues and even kiss them.It is not just a movie shot,but reality.And I know that Catholics kneel out of reverence. By the way,I know it may shock you Catholics but many Prots kneel at times in their services as well.
Kneeling is the main posture for praying.I have been in Evangelical Churches where most of the members would kneel for quite some time and pray for others and so on.I have been in meetings that lasted 2-3 hours where we would first read from the Word,hear something short from the pastors,and than get on our knees to pray.
So kneeling is not only seen in RCChurches.
Well I am glad to hear that. I have been to several proty churches and never saw kneeling once. One time the preacher preached an entire sermon on how we should kneel before the Lord. I looked around and there were no kneelers available to kneel on. He kept shouting about the kneeling bit and no one was kneeling. I was confused so I asked him after the service what he meant by "kneeling". He looked confused so I asked "do you mean that we should actually kneel down?" And he looked shocked and sputtered "well no, we don't want to be making a scene, do we?"
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#473642 Aug 28, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Sure. My Church is imperfect. It is full of sinners.
If your church is full of sinners, why are you preaching at others how to stop sinning?

Silly people.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473643 Aug 28, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Oh, I meant to say earlier about the holes in your arguements. The reason that I haven't delineated precisely where they are and how big they are is because they are so vast it is difficult to know where to start.

Yeah, sure you have.

Just post them and stop pussy-footing around with the data.

You Catholics like to do this alot, why?

Just state directly that which you don't believe and be done with it.

But with just posting your refutation, won't make what you state true, unless you can substantiate your refutation with some sort of truth. Please post this as well, as I want to know and then understand that specific truth.

You can do this, right?
Just Sayin wrote:
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Though I have been trying to find a starting point.

Huh-uh, sure you are.
Just Sayin wrote:
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I think where it all breaks down is on the most fundamental level. You don't believe there is absolute truth whereas I do.


Sure I believe in an absolute truth.

- Christianity only believes in a portion of Jesus, whereas I believe in all of Jesus.
- Christianity uses more of what "Paul's gospel" states than they do of Jesus.
- Christianity uses less than six of the original 13 Apostles to come to some sort of truth.

All abosolute truths that I believe.
Just Sayin wrote:
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You don't seem to have an anchor. If you do, then please explain what it is...what is your starting point?
Oh yes I do - Jesus. It appears you aren't as anchored as much as I am to him, huh?

BTW - my "starting point" is Jesus, by believing in all of what he taught, not just the parts men decided upon.

Did that answer your questions?
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#473644 Aug 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Is that like.....
Please post the link that shows where "God" specifically states which texts are inspired and which are not.
C'mon Anthony, you can do it, because you believe such exists, so you surely have a link that states such is true, right?
The HOly Spirit guided the Church in determining which books would be included in the canon of Scripture.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#473645 Aug 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Why are you now supporting me?
I don't support you OR your gnostic religion.

Stop lying.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#473646 Aug 28, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>How about a glass of ice tea while you wait? lol
Thanks. I'll take you up on THAT offer.

:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#473647 Aug 28, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I dont make it up. I get my info from Mr Jinglejangles.
Santa Claus???

:)
Regina

Bloomfield, NJ

#473648 Aug 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Great!! Another thing to blame on Gnosticism.
Thanks Regina!
:o)
Yeah, but you have dry heat. It all balances out in the end!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#473649 Aug 28, 2013
truth wrote:
evil is evil
evil is real
as well deceived
After all that happened in your life, go you believe that little children should be taught that the devil, evil and hell are REAL?
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#473650 Aug 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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People chose and continue to choose on what to believe.
Yes - Judaism does not believe Jesus was the "Messiah".
Whether or not he was an actual "messiah" has never been determined.
IMO - Jesus never actually stated he was any religion's messiah, but did state much about how the Spirit lives after we die, and his message should be accepted. Some folks took it to the extrememand consider him to be that "Messiah" that has yet to arrive for Judaism.
It can be proven He is the Messiah using logic and some knowledge of human nature. Books have been written on the topic.
I believe one is called Jesus Christ Messiah or Madman. Here's a short clip:

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#473651 Aug 28, 2013
Full of Love wrote:
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I'm sorry,but I had to edit your post to me.
I should have posted edited for space.
For that I apologize.
So after all the things I said,you still cannot see?
Oxbow,you either believe God's Holy word or not.
God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
There is only ONE God Oxbow.
The Son came from the Father and the Holy Spirit came from the Father.
When God said in the beginning;
Let US make man in our own image,who do you think He was talking to?
Also,In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
The Word became flesh and dwelled among men.
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him
(Hebrews 1:1-14)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Explain those passages to me,please?
You are on the wrong page...I never have questioned the teaching that God is the Holy Trinity...the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit..

Which, as stated, is contradictory.....If Christ is the Son of God, and if Emmanuel means "God with us", that is saying Christ is God????!!!!!

Try this: Since there is only one God....who is God in "God with us"????
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#473652 Aug 28, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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You are still making things up in order to be offended by them.
AWWWW ... now don't feign modesty at this late date.

June VanDerMark wrote:

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Let's cut to the chase and tell you what you desire to be told.
The one and only god loves you and your rituals and your beliefs and will turn his back on all others. And for being so disrespectful to you who tells the one and only truth, they will have to spend eternity in hell.
THERE ... are you satisfied NOW???
Pad

Rockford, IL

#473653 Aug 28, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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You and this guy must think alike. Neither of you has a clue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zuljuu6uqqcXX
Anthony, be pompous all you want,the truth is that in the BIBLE there is no room for the use of images.And if you want to quote from the Old Covenant about two angels constructed unto the ARC,or maybe some built into the original Temple,that has nothing to do with God's command to not make images for the use of worship toward Him.

The New Testament is quite clear about how we should worship the Father,the Sona dn the Holy Spirit,no statue representing JESUS is sufficient.

No I would not be involved in that spectacle,and yes that statue was St.Teresa of Lizieux. The preacher made a point however,and he was not doing anything that the Jews of old would not have done when it came to being rid of idols and statues of gods.goddesses and the like.

Just because it does not prick your conscience as to the use of statues,carved or made of clay,stone,and so on, does notmean that the true conscience of worship in regards to the God of Israel rejects your statues.There are close to a million+Messianic Jews in this world today,and everyone I have ever met strongly oppose the use of statues,and want nothing to do with RC worship.Maybe some traditional Jews may think your Mass is similar to their worship,but that does not mean they would be willing to incorporate statues and so on into their services.I have never met a Jew who thought it was ok for anyone who worships the true God to erect shrines with statues,haul the statues around on pedestals,and kneel before them,putting crowns on the heads,and flowers around them as though they are the person they prepresent.

We don't have a clue huh?I quake at your ignorance of the whole matter.You are the one who along ewith every RC remains steadfastly attached to those images of veneration,no matter what the God of Israel may think of them.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#473654 Aug 28, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Post a link Nick! How hard is it? We all do when we cite someone else's work.
Learn to research.Now since you cannot refute you want a link posted. You all lie, deceive, and spin things too. I am not doing that either.

You may have gone to Topix University but this is not a Masters course.

Telling me what to do and how to do research. I do enough work counteracting your lies. Go scrub your pointed nose.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Surrey, Canada

#473655 Aug 28, 2013
All people that adore their own religions are certain the gods love them for what they believe.

How funny!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#473656 Aug 28, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I researched it Nick.
The Orthodox Confession of 1640 says it accepts the Latin understanding of the Eucharist.
The Council of Jerusalem in 1672 REJECTS the doctrine of consubstantiation as a heresy by Luther.
Give us a link Nick! Show us where the Orthodox teach consubstantiation. C'mon, Nick, your wife said that's what you teach..show us!
I gave you 5 posts. Absurd!!!!

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#473657 Aug 28, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Herme - FYI - I learned a long time ago that a conclusion for religion cannot be made because in truth, we really don't know what the conclusion is.
Those who have concluded on anything spiritual is in fact, only a speculative conclusion without any real proof that the belief occurs.
Now if you use evidence that has been collected, as with NDEs, as June lightly posted on, those show that your belief - "we judge ourselves" - would be somewhat accurate, but "God" nor Jesus does any judging.
So with utilizing this information, and the NDE story as a clue, very few show that "we burn".
"Burning in Hell" is a man's tactic to get someone to beleive a certain way, and seems to work with gullible people who seem to can't take on responsibility for themself.
Oops - I just gave an accurate description of Christianity. My bad.
:o)
Best regards to you sir!
With all due respect,I disagree.
I have witnessed with my own eyes what my mother in law and my Aunt experienced before they passed.
My mother in law who was a Godly woman was near death. She was so weak.
She was at home with her children all around her.
As weak as she was,she sat up,looked up towards heaven with such a beautiful smile on her face and she began clapping her hands.
My Aunt also looked up,smiled and said "I see my sweet Jesus"
The man that my father in law seen in the hospital that was near death was screaming and saying "I can feel the flames of hell.
A visiting preacher was with him and asked "Do you wanted to pray?" and he said "no."
He kept screaming "I feel the flames of hell",grabbed the DR. and said 'I'm taking you with me"
The DR. said "no your not" and pulled his hand from his.
He died in that shape.
There is no doubt that my Mother in law and my Aunt seen their precious Saviour.
No doubt that the man felt those flames.
They left a witness for others to see.

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