Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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truth

Perth, Australia

#473039 Aug 26, 2013
if is as it is as small cell but can sustain many things..

then how you can explain that and compare with your ..its look like that=burilo from rakija= electric motorbike or car..

i can pretend as you..i don't produce not 5 cents yet..but tell me i am stupid..

micro and macro

explain alive cell as complex issue which can sustain what nobody see or know that exist..
Clay

United States

#473040 Aug 26, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Clay what that other poster said was childish to say the least,and I do not believe anyone should storm the Vatican to destroy it.But it is more than truth that all who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb,and whose names are written in the"Lamb's Book of Life" will never be forsaken,and since we do not build edifices that are considered to be inpregnable,our Body belongs to the Lord,and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.
We all who live by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ are the Church.If you want to narrow it down to some sophisticated building on the 7 hills of Rome,that is your opinion.The spiritual warfare we fight is between Satan and the Holy Christ and His Angels. I am not saying that your Basilica will not be protected,but what I am saying is that the Body of Christ are the Redeemed of the Lord,not a religious organization that claims it is the only true Bride of Christ.
Roman Catholicism is a religious organization,or are you not aware of that?No I guess you aren't.The Body of Christ is not encased in the geographical perimeters of your Basilica or any edifice that has been built anywhere in the world to glorify both God and an organization.The Body of Christ IS the Communion of saints who have been Blood Washed,and long for His appearing.That is Scripture,and Covenant sealed!
Ok Pad, you really need to answer a couple questions. I often hear you say the Church is 'a body of believers; misc groups of believers I presume?

It appears you're re-defining what the Church should be. Clearly, the first century Church appears to be a hierarchal set up with an authoritative teaching Magisterium. It stayed this way in Christendom for 1,600 yrs. So who exactly is in your 'Body of believers'?

Also, many of you hammer away at the title 'Roman' Catholic. I understand why. You need to present the Church as a barbaric Romanistic type. But this title is not an official title. It was given to us by Protestants. We are simply the Catholic Church in communion with the Bishop of Rome. There are over 20 Catholic Churches. They are just as legit as the Roman rite.

I often hear you guys say how the ROMAN Catholic Church corrupted the faith... But without a doubt, the Dogma and Doctrines you guys dispute were in place a couple hundred yrs before 313 AD.

Everyone else on this forum relies on forced ignorance, Pad. Address these questions without being one of them. There are so many questions you guys run away from.... Its like many have faith, but without reason and logic. And I don't think that's being true to oneself. You gotta have reason and logic along with faith.
truth

Perth, Australia

#473041 Aug 26, 2013
ignorance

depend how you go far away except..
-understanding is minimum of love

tiny cell as bacteria exist..
much more better say
complex cell..

describe definition of life..

forgive me if i hurt you
if i have what i drove ..
but you possess and implement
in reality my vision what you will do..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#473042 Aug 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
The evangelical born again movement needs to embrace a series of untruths before their religion can begin. Therefore, like a house built on sand, it crumbles. The Catholic Church is built on rock, it withstands every ridiculous accusation you fundies can throw at us. In fact, after 2,000 yrs its withstood allot worse than the slander you guys muster up.
Here is what the Pope said after Napoleon threatened to destroy the Church within a year:
"ha, we priests have been trying to destroy this Church for 1800 yrs, what makes you think you can destroy it in one?"
Of course, he didn't mean Priests were intentionally trying to destroy it, but the weight of sin and desire to sin would have sunk any other organization if it were not for the protection of Jesus and His assurance, "upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"


~~~

YOU WROTE

The evangelical born again movement needs to embrace a series of untruths before their religion can begin. Therefore, like a house built on sand, it crumbles. The Catholic Church is built on rock, it withstands every ridiculous accusation you fundies can throw at us. In fact, after 2,000 yrs its withstood allot worse than the slander you guys muster up.

~~~~~

WE EVANGELICALS... DO NOT WORSHIP ANY ONE BUT BUT GOD THROUGH JESUS

CHRIST ...HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ...

You Roman Catholics worship THE STAGE PROPS, AND SUPPORTING ACTORS which

persons were/are flesh ...corruptible, and tainted with the sin of Adam.

---

Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body

NOTE THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE THAT SAYS

"Who's SPIRITS have been redeemed.." but THEIR BODIES await the coming

of Jesus for His bride..

AS IS ALL OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT.

THE BIBLES SAYS..

Rom 8:22 " For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. "

--->NOTE.... THE EARTH AT PRESENT IS RESPONDING/CONVULSING WITH STORMS EARTHQUAKES PLAGUES ETC...

BECAUSE OF THE SINS OF MAN UPON IT'S SURFACE...

THE EARTH WAS NOT CREATED FOR SUCH EVIL...IT WAS CREATED PURE AND HOLY..

---

"Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even

--->NOTE...NONE OF YOUR SAINTS.... BODIES (THAT YOU WORSHIP AND PRAY TO) HAVE BEEN REDEEMED...

===>THIS... INCLUDES... MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...WHOM YOU CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN...

READ WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT FLESH AND BLOOD INHERITING THE KINGDOM OF GOD...

1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that

===> flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Rom 8:23 And not only they,.... but ourselves also,

which have the firstfruits of the Spirit

we ourselves ...

groan within ourselves,

WAITING for the adoption, to wit,

FOR THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473043 Aug 26, 2013
marge wrote:
poor June
Yeah ... poor June! She is going to burn in Christian hell with the approval of the Jewish god.

:)

You ... on the other hand are destined to burn in all the other hells of all the other religions.

Ain't religion just something to brag about???

:)

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473044 Aug 26, 2013
marge wrote:
June, God can even turn hearts of stone into hearts of flesh that know they need God.
Well, you better start needing all the gods, cause the other ones that you don't need are gonna get you in the "end."

:)

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473045 Aug 26, 2013
marge wrote:
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Yep! That's the teaching of all the theologians. "Ask, and I shall give you the only truth. Seek, and ye shall find the only truth in what I teach you, and that only truth shall be opened unto you:"

Meanwhile back on earth ... theological wars continue on a daily basis, with each right-fighting group of warriors supporting the words of their own preferential theologians.

And they never learn that they all have been hoodwinked.
Clay

United States

#473046 Aug 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU WROTE
The evangelical born again movement needs to embrace a series of untruths before their religion can begin. Therefore, like a house built on sand, it crumbles. The Catholic Church is built on rock, it withstands every ridiculous accusation you fundies can throw at us. In fact, after 2,000 yrs its withstood allot worse than the slander you guys muster up.
~~~~~
WE EVANGELICALS... DO NOT WORSHIP ANY ONE BUT BUT GOD THROUGH JESUS
CHRIST ...HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ...
You Roman Catholics worship THE STAGE PROPS, AND SUPPORTING ACTORS which
persons were/are flesh ...corruptible, and tainted with the sin of Adam.
---
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body
NOTE THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE THAT SAYS
"Who's SPIRITS have been redeemed.." but THEIR BODIES await the coming
of Jesus for His bride..
AS IS ALL OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT.
THE BIBLES SAYS..
Rom 8:22 " For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. "
--->NOTE.... THE EARTH AT PRESENT IS RESPONDING/CONVULSING WITH STORMS EARTHQUAKES PLAGUES ETC...
BECAUSE OF THE SINS OF MAN UPON IT'S SURFACE...
THE EARTH WAS NOT CREATED FOR SUCH EVIL...IT WAS CREATED PURE AND HOLY..
---
"Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even
--->NOTE...NONE OF YOUR SAINTS.... BODIES (THAT YOU WORSHIP AND PRAY TO) HAVE BEEN REDEEMED...
===>THIS... INCLUDES... MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...WHOM YOU CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN...
READ WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT FLESH AND BLOOD INHERITING THE KINGDOM OF GOD...
1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that
===> flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Rom 8:23 And not only they,.... but ourselves also,
which have the firstfruits of the Spirit
we ourselves ...
groan within ourselves,
WAITING for the adoption, to wit,
FOR THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.
If Jesus Christ willed for you and everyone else to be the authority on His Ministry, then he's a phony.
If Our Lord silently waited until 1452 for the Bible to be published, so folks like you could interpret His teachings for everyone.... Then he's a phony.
If the Bible is all that He willed for His revelation of truth, but didn't tell anyone which Books- and His Apostles didn't tell anyone which Books; and they didn't properly explain their writings for us; and the truth got completely screwed up until the born again movement arrived 1900 yrs later.... Then Confrint, CHRISTIANITY IS THE BIGGEST FRAUD OF A RELIGION THIS WORLD HAS. CHRIST WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE MESSIAH IF YOUR SCENARIO WAS FACT. GOT IT?
For Christianity, its either the Catholic faith or nothing. Any other scenario uses way to much ignorance and man made theories. They remove so much logic and reason and still call themselves the 'followers of the truth and the way'.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#473047 Aug 26, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>I have long given you up as one that has been baptized into the mind and heart of one that is partof the APOSTASY.
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume3...
The above is what Peter taught. I'm sorry that it's beyond your understanding.
this is what Peter said and idiots like you8 don't ever read His Word.

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" (1 Peter 3:15).

and if someone made me look like a simpleton like I have you constantly, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473048 Aug 26, 2013
Once the group of Jews split off from believing in multiple gods to then believing in the one-god dogma ... that is when religion got REAL ugly.

Each in their own divisive groups ... Jews, then Catholics, then Muslims, and then Protestants demanded assurance that the one god loved them and ONLY them.

They all twisted and morphed human-created languages to suit their own needs, and referred to their own religions ONLY as the HOLY ones ... while vilifying all other religions as EVIL.

That has been the name of their games ... one and all. And they preach their dogmas as love, while with bitter words, and military might ... they war and war some more.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473049 Aug 26, 2013
I wonder what flamboyant story the first hairy ape-like theologian gave to his followers to impress upon them that the gods thought so HIGHLY of him, as to choose only him as the leader who would never lie to his followers about truth from the gods???

Maybe if I go to a psychic and pay more money than is "called for" ... that psychic will give me the bare truth of that scenario.

After all ... if psychics can read the future ... there should be no reason they can't read the past.

After all ... the past is written ... isn't it?

Tongue in cheek

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473050 Aug 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Parish is ifull, they do not close. Demographics is almost always the factor in this country.
"ifull" - LOL

The new Catholic word for when you are visiting a church online and there is no more room to get on the server.

:o)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473051 Aug 26, 2013
its me wrote:
Yes,it's me. I am in the loving arms of this God to whom you ridicule. You're hurt. Sad. Disappointed. Confused. I was too. I am not now :)
He IS real. Don't reject him. I want you with me for eternity,with him. No more pain. No more emptiness.<quoted text>
Self.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473052 Aug 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Just more of the same old heretical anti-catholic "propaganda". TRUE Church HISTORY (recorded after the death of Christ) confirm these Churches "were ALL CATHOLIC" Ignatius verified it in 070AD when he said, "Wherever the Bishops are present, the Catholic Church is also there"!!!!THERE WAS NO BIBLE until 397 AD when the Early Church Fathers formed and assembled the Canon of Scripture, giving you "fundies" the Bible that you twist,misquote manipulate, misinterpret and spin the meaning to "make it mean ONLY what you want it to mean". You OX are living on an "isolated island" of lies and deceit!!! Even the vast majority of your Protestant believers "reject" your distorted and perverted "personal opinionated" rubbish!!!!
The frustrations of Christianity.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473053 Aug 26, 2013
The devout Christians on this forum become angry at me for not believing in the words taught to them by their preferred theologians. Yet they don't understand why on earth others who also place high value on their own theological dogmas become angry at them.

It's all about the divisive indoctrinations.

Non-human animals can't be indoctrinated with the human blight of religion. Therefore they will fight to the death to defend their own bodies and their own territories and their own packs ... but they won't fight to the death as do humans to defend theological indoctrinations.

It's not that they are wiser than humans ... it's that they simply can't BE indoctrinated with religion.
Plain Jane

Orlando, FL

#473054 Aug 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
If Jesus Christ willed for you and everyone else to be the authority on His Ministry, then he's a phony.
If Our Lord silently waited until 1452 for the Bible to be published, so folks like you could interpret His teachings for everyone.... Then he's a phony.
If the Bible is all that He willed for His revelation of truth, but didn't tell anyone which Books- and His Apostles didn't tell anyone which Books; and they didn't properly explain their writings for us; and the truth got completely screwed up until the born again movement arrived 1900 yrs later.... Then Confrint, CHRISTIANITY IS THE BIGGEST FRAUD OF A RELIGION THIS WORLD HAS. CHRIST WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE MESSIAH IF YOUR SCENARIO WAS FACT. GOT IT?
For Christianity, its either the Catholic faith or nothing. Any other scenario uses way to much ignorance and man made theories. They remove so much logic and reason and still call themselves the 'followers of the truth and the way'.
Wow, this is a profound statement that goes way beyond your own church's teachings.

"For Christianity, its either the Catholic faith or nothing. Any other scenario uses way to much ignorance and man made theories."

Neither you nor your antagonists can see it.

You each apply different standards to the other's interpretation of the Bible than you do to your own.

In today's world, why would any Christian tell anyone else who professes to love Jesus, and who lives) a moral life (as far as you know, that they are not Christian?

You claim to be a faithful Roman Catholic. Please show us - where does the Roman Catholic church teach such things?

Who teaches you such things? Pope Francis maybe? That must be it. Let's make those his words:

"For Christianity, its either the Catholic faith or nothing. Any other scenario uses way to much ignorance and man made theories."

Pope Francis

(Sorry, just having a little fun. Don't let others control you so much :o)

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473055 Aug 26, 2013
It's not uncommon in this era for an Atheist who has a near-death experience, to convert to a religion.

Anything that can't be explained by scientific means to satisfy believers ... will often encourage the believers to go to theologians of one religion or another for the supposed answers.

Humans are greedy for answers ... and the theologians who don't and never have agreed with each other ... are there to fill that NEED.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>

Near Death Experience

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...
truth

Perth, Australia

#473056 Aug 26, 2013
your god don't liked us..why should be..

your masters is not be on Cross they have nice diploma job lots of money and they are rich gods with everything ..yes full of arms about everything..yep

be bless who is poor

my god is been on Cross..
i fill that pain
i fill that sorrow

i been on that Cross complete with body and mind..

my god don't need any money
i don't call my god rich god

my god don't tell me pay every penny..no

i don't need that

pray and represent
your suffering trough your prayers
he will took you there
so beautiful there
pain which not exist on this planet earth

its so nice know
its so nice transform over-yourself

when you told me you love me or anybody else
i know its just nice lips
nothing else
nothing at all..

but i know who is been there INRI

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473057 Aug 26, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Self.
In case you hadn't noticed ... non-Gnostic-Christians ARE already "selves."

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#473058 Aug 26, 2013
I suggest it's difficult for a devout Christian to believe that a Muslim could have a near-death experience that (by his/her indoctrination) puts that Muslim in touch with Allah ... or the 12th Imam ... rather than the Christian "god" and Jesus.

Until you want to go outside of your own preferential religious cult to study the experiences of those in other religious cults ... you won't learn a new concept ... as you will be unwilling to learn.

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