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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 646308 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#469543 Aug 8, 2013
Clay wrote:
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That's a bunch of crap Preston and you know it. Anyone who reads the NT for the first time, can clearly see that Peter was the leader of the Apostles. He's mentioned over 160 times. That is more than all others combined.
Christ clearly gave him and him only the keys. He clearly gave him authority to bind and loose.
I think its ridiculous you all claim to go by the Bible alone when you constantly deny some of the blatant conversations between Christ and His Apostles. You guys are frauds. I'm praying the next generation of Bible thumpers will be less ignorant. Your current 'authoritative' teachings will be history once you die. If they were based on truth it would survive. We can see the pattern the last 500 yrs of Protestantism. None of your teachings survived til the next generation.
I for one don't care how many times that Peter is mentioned in the NT. that doesn't make him the Leader of the Pack.

clarify his leadership by the word of the Lord. when they(the Apostles) asked who was greater, Jesus never said, Now all of you know that Peter is.LOL.

so using your reasoning that since Peter was mentioned the MOST, THAT WOULD MAKE HIM THE LEAST.

If any was the Greatest, my vote would go to John
Dan

Omaha, NE

#469544 Aug 8, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>show us where Jesus said" Peter, you are number 1".
Humor us, we have never read that, and any Bible scholar such as yourself who knew that GIF tried to pull a fast one over you by Quoting Hebrews as a New Testament book, has my full confidence.lol
Matthew 16 18:19.

Again.

Still.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#469545 Aug 8, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I am, but that verse doesn't indicate that Jesus made Peter numero uno.
that verse gives Peter the Authority to Preach His Word, nothing more. Dan.
If Peter was #1, then Paul SINNED before God when he withstood Peter.
Well, actually, it says a bit more about Peter.

Christ singles him out.

You can pretend it's not there, but its there.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#469546 Aug 8, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Untrue, that is if you want to be part of Christianity.
Christianity has imposed a ban on these writings - and many have alot to do with Jesus.
Please stop lying.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
It is because of Christianity, its men and hierarchy that has imposed such restrictions of Jesus, it has caused many people to believe a false doctrine about Jesus.
Jesus does not have to do anything in order to be worshipped.

June said He'd have to convert to Christianity. That was an errant statement and that's what I addressed.
Plain Jane

Orlando, FL

#469547 Aug 8, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Peter the first chosen, Peter the one always listed first in scripture. Peter whose name is mentioned far more often than any other. Peter whom Paul went to visit. Peter whom Christ paid the Drachma tax for the first born of the family. Peter Whom Christ prayed to strengthen the others. Peter whom acts shows us people hoped his shadow would be cast among them. Peter and the others. Peter whom Christ said Blessed are YOU and changes his name to Rock I will give YOU the keys.
Changing a name is a big deal in scripture it signifies and event. Christ did not say just kidding. Christ is King and he is the key holder. He doesnt relinquesh them but gives them to Peter just as was done in Isaiah. You do not understand that in Israel there were 12 ministers and only ONE was given the Keys by the King it didnt mean he relinques all authority or is no longer King. Its not an either or deal, but you seem determined to reduce Jesus to prime minister rather than King. Christ is the King and those who would come to him and his church which gentiles were graphted into. Yes Peter denied Christ 3 times. After Christ asks him in front of the other Apostles. Do you love me more than these? Feed My Sheep. Saying something 3 times was always done on a commission of authority of an office.
I know how some Protestants like to Mock and berate Peter when most of you would hide worse than him if confronted with a Muslim in hostile territory. So brave you all are.
In Acts Peter is clearly leading the church. Filled with the Holy Spirit he boldy proceeds. The Saduccees who did not believe in the resurrection were infuriated. They dragged them into the sysnagogue and Peter recalls what the Lord had said, "when they bring you before the synagogue the Holy Spirit will tell you what to say. Peter nor the Apostles Lorded their authority over everyone, but that did not mean they didnt have any as clearly they did. When Ananias and Saphira lied, among other miracles performed anc ommissioning an preaching an understanding of the gospel.
No Apostle was immune from sin or not practicing what they preach. A Pope just like Peter is not immune from sin or perfect in all ways and to argue the Apostles were is pure insanity. Yet you believe that they spoke the truth. All Rabbis had authority to bind and loose, but not to the exclusion of the Key holder. You Protestants want to believe you are all key holders, the keys and your personal interpretations are scripture, or the key is believing, The key is baptism or not, the keys are dozens of things according to Protestants anything but what Christ intended. Sorry but the Church of Christ as you call it is not the church. All of you believe you have the truth and most of you believe only your church is the true one. Others say as long as you believe in Jesus its all good. Sorry, but Christ Christ gave the Keys to Peter. Christ will return have you heard? God was the King of Israel before the Isrealites demanded they have a King. What was Moses doing? Sorry, but you are just another Mirian grumbling that you are just as good as Moses. You are all in charge. We know how that went. But you are all just as good as the Apostles themselves. The arrogance is astounding.
Where did Jesus go, so that He had to leave someone else in charge of His Church?

If your claim is true, what does that say about Jesus that He oversaw such a terrible child abuse scandal?

Sorry, but I can't believe that Jesus would ever allow such events by an "only" Church.

History tells us that all Churches have faults, and that no Church has stood out in terms of morals -- especially the Roman Catholic Church.

Your last Pope resigned amid scandal. His own countrymen spoke with their feet. Bad people, or bad morals and values at the top?

Get off your moral high horse.
Orthodox Christian

Ottawa, Canada

#469548 Aug 8, 2013
The True Christian Church is the Orthdodox Church.

The Roman Patriarchate was once Orthodox, alongside Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople.

The Patriarchate of Rome split in 1054 A.D. from the Orthodox Church. From Rome split the protestants anglicans and now thousands of sects.

But the Orthodox Church is still there.

While Rome is still has apostolic succession, it is no longer seen as the Orthodox Church.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#469549 Aug 8, 2013
who="Michael"
Mary and Joseph were suppose to be Jews. Jews do NOT believe in sons of God yet their son Jesus is suppose to be the son of God, and the story goes that Mary and Joseph lived almost their entire lives as devout Jews..
........makes no common sense.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD...

Old Testament...Jews DID believe in 'sons of God'.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#469550 Aug 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan"
Um, your passages speak of the apostles. They are the "disciples" in question here.
GIF said:
ALL THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS HAVE THE KEYS...
"Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the DISCIPLES glad, when they saw the Lord.
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to THEM again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this,
he breathed on them, and
saith unto them,
Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit,
they are remitted unto them; and
whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
BEST READ YOU BIBLE
The Bible said: DISCIPLES.
The 12. The Apostles. They received His authority-only them.

Jesus appeared to only them-the 12 (actually, 11).

Noted that you left out Verse 24:

24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him,“We have seen the Lord!”

Sorry, GIF.

I'm right and I'm not even a self-proclaimed lifelong bible scholar and preacher such as yourself.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#469551 Aug 8, 2013
Plain Jane wrote:
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Where did Jesus go, so that He had to leave someone else in charge of His Church?
If your claim is true, what does that say about Jesus that He oversaw such a terrible child abuse scandal?
Sorry, but I can't believe that Jesus would ever allow such events by an "only" Church.
History tells us that all Churches have faults, and that no Church has stood out in terms of morals -- especially the Roman Catholic Church.
Your last Pope resigned amid scandal. His own countrymen spoke with their feet. Bad people, or bad morals and values at the top?
Get off your moral high horse.
Heaven.

That's where Jesus went.

Thanks.
Orthodox Christian

Ottawa, Canada

#469552 Aug 8, 2013
"• If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Roman Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

• If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

• If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

• If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

• If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Seabury, in the American colonies in the 17th century.

• If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.

• If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York

If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774.

• If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York in 1829.

• If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

• If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was founded by Mary Baker Eddy.

• If you belong to one of the religious sects known as “Church of the Nazarene”,“Pentecostal Gospel”,“Holiness Church,”, or “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.

If you are a Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke way from the other four Apostolic Sees (Patriarchates), by tampering with the original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be the universal pastor over other Sees and infallible.

• If you are a Uniate Roman Catholic of any Eastern Rites, you had your roots in the Orthodox Church, but were forced into the Roman Catholic Church, either by financial hardship, or regional political/ ecclesiastical unrest (e.g.: Malankara Syrian Catholics), or by western colonialization (e.g.: Syro-Malabar Rite), or by military strength.

IF you are an Orthodox Christain
If you are an Orthodox Christian, you religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our Church is now almost 2000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.”

• This is the greatest legacy we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium!"
Orthodox Christian

Ottawa, Canada

#469553 Aug 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, actually, it says a bit more about Peter.
Christ singles him out.
You can pretend it's not there, but its there.
St. Peter does have primacy of honour and is considered 1st Among Equals with the Apostles, not Superior or Supreme among submordinates.

The Faith He Held and the Traditions of the First Church are kept without change in the Orthodox Church.

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#469554 Aug 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 16 18:19.
Again.
Still.
NOT MY FAULT IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS IS SAYING.

you are as unclear on that verse as you were when GIF posted verses from the NT book of Hebrews.

Not our fault if you are clueless about His Word. credit that to your false teachers

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#469555 Aug 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, actually, it says a bit more about Peter.
Christ singles him out.
You can pretend it's not there, but its there.
YOU CAN PRETEND THAT IT IS IN THERE BUT IT ISNT. THE CHURCH IS BUILT ON JESUS CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED.

Peter did NOTHING to give us SALVATION.

NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#469556 Aug 8, 2013
who="Dan"
I answered it.
I told you who got the authority, cited the conferral, and told you and cited where protestants don't believe that authority exists now. Any protestant on the board will tell you that they don't believe that apostolic authority succeeded to the present. GIF even acknowledged it to me directly-he said only God can absolve the penalty of sin for another person.
If typing "bullshite" makes you feel better, keep it up, but I responded.

GIF did not tell you that 'only God' could absolve the penalty of sin for another person.

You have been commanded to forgive those who sin against YOU. You cannot forgive those who sin against me, or anyone else. God can and does forgive all who come to Him repenting. But if YOU do not forgive those who sin against you, He will not forgive YOU.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 BUT IF YOU FORGIVE NOT MEN THEIR TRESPASSES, NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER FORGIVE YOUR TRESPASSES.

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#469557 Aug 8, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:

Peter the first chosen.

NOT TRUE. A LIE FROM dust mop.

John 1:40

One of the two which heard John speak, and {followed} him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
Orthodox Christian

Ottawa, Canada

#469558 Aug 8, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>YOU CAN PRETEND THAT IT IS IN THERE BUT IT ISNT. THE CHURCH IS BUILT ON JESUS CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED.
Peter did NOTHING to give us SALVATION.
NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!
St. Peter did bring the faith to Rome and Antioch, where Christians were first called Christians. He also, by the Power of the Holy Spirit helped baptized over 3000 persons, according to the book of Acts and by his preaching and baptism in the Name of Jesus, many were saved.

Likewise today, the Holy Sacraments and prayers of the saints and commmunion of the saints are all a great help and great tools and vehiclces that aid us on the straighest path to Christ. Just as Noah's Ark was given to humantity to save those who were on it, so God gave us the Holy Church to sail us to Safety... to heaven.

It is Christ's will that all Christians be one again.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#469559 Aug 8, 2013
who="Plain Jane"
Where did Jesus go, so that He had to leave someone else in charge of His Church?

Get off your moral high horse.

LOL I like both those statements; especially the first one: "WHERE DID JESUS GO, SO THAT HE HAD TO LEAVE SOMEONE ELSE IN CHARGE OF HIS CHURCH? "

Jesus said, "I will NEVER leave you, nor forsake you." He said that He would send another Comforter (The Holy Spirit) to guide us and teach us. He also said, "We (He and the Holy Spirit) will come to you."

In the Upper Room they were ALL FILLED with the Holy Spirit...and "this promise is unto you, AND TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL."

He is HERE right now. Give HIM your attention, honor and praise.
Orthodox Christian

Ottawa, Canada

#469560 Aug 8, 2013
When protestants left the Roman Catholic Church, their intention was current, but they threw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, instead of simply returning to the Orthodox faith.

There is a realy priesthood belonging to Christ. Christ ordained his Apostles and said to them, "whomever sins you remit they are remitted, whomever's sins you retain they are retained". St. Paul also warned very clearly, "be very careful on whom you lay hands [i.e. Ordain].

The book of acts speaks very clearly of "Episcopos, Presvyetros, and Diaconon", Bishops, priests, and deacons.

All the writings of the early Chruch show much evidence that the Church practiced sacraments and undestood the Holy Tradition and the Faith the same way apostolic Christians (Catholic and Orthodox) do today, starting with St. Polycarp (a direct student of St. John the Apostle) and those who were later acquiated with them, such as St. Ignatius, St. Ireneus etc.

The Communities of Christians living with these persons, who were very close to the teachings of the Apostles resemble very much the Orthodox Church today, whereas protestants, do not resemble them in the same fullness at all.

Unlike the Roman Church, the Orthodox Church does not accept purgatory, supremacy and infallibility of the pope, the teaching that St. Mary was born with a different nature than humanity, or the change to the Nicean Creed with respect to the Filioque, and only monks, bishops and the Patriarch, as a matter of discipline must be celebate, priests can be married, as they are with Eastern Rite Catholics.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#469561 Aug 8, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>NOT MY FAULT IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS IS SAYING.
you are as unclear on that verse as you were when GIF posted verses from the NT book of Hebrews.
Not our fault if you are clueless about His Word. credit that to your false teachers
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Patriot

Denver, CO

#469562 Aug 8, 2013
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