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#469071 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
" and I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
"Jesus said to him, Feed my sheep"
NABre.....pope approved Catholic Bible...

Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing. In any case, the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone.

Note: image of the keys...image:A mental picture of something not real or present.

metaphor: A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in "a sea of troubles" or "All the world's a stage" (Shakespeare).

Note: A figure of speech.....
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469072 Aug 6, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I already posted on this. Ketchup
So you were LOLing at your own question of whether he was pre or post-schism. Okie dokie.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#469073 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
jesus gave the same authority to all His desciples
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Joh 20:23 ==>Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. <==
Peter "the stone" WAS NO different from the rest of the apostles...

___

JESUS SAID

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Mat 23:11 ==> But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. <==

___

Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

Luk 22:26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

Luk 22:27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

Luk 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

Luk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Luk 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

~~~~~~`

TRUE TO THE WORDS OF JESUS ABOVE THE (GENTILE) ROMAN CATHOLIC HAS FULFILLED HIS WORD HERE HERE

Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS APPOINTED THE POPE AS A BENEFACTOR

ABOUT PETER

Jesus called him...

Joh_1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him/PETER, he said,

Thou art Simon the son of Jona:

thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation,

A stone.

NOT THE STONE...

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#469074 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
" and I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
"Jesus said to him, Feed my sheep"
Some persons have argued from these words of our Saviour, in favour of the supremacy of St. Peter above the rest of the Apostles. But such an opinion is altogether groundless. For, if our Lord used these words with a view of commanding St. Peter to feed all his sheep and lambs without any exception, it is certain that he was wanting in his duty, for he never exercised any acts of supremacy over the rest of the Apostles; on the contrary, when sent by them, he obeyed, Ac 8:14; and, when reproved by St. Paul, he held his peace; and was so far from feeding all the sheep of Christ, that he never fed any of the province of St. Paul.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469075 Aug 6, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
In another tract "On the Death of Christ", our Syrian theologian transmits the orthodox tradition concerning the relationship of the Popes’ Petrine Primacy to the first six Ecumenical Councils held in the First Millennium of the Church’s history:
"As for us, through the grace of the Holy Spirit, our sole goal is to build ourselves on the foundation of St. Peter, he who directed the six holy councils. These councils were gathered by command of the Bishop of Rome, the city of the world. Whoever sits on that city’s throne is authorized by Christ to have compassion on the people of the church, by summoning the ecumenical council, and to strengthen them, even as we have demonstrated in other places. We ask Christ to confirm us in this forever, that we might inherit through it his kingdom, in that we have joined with it the doing of his commandments. To him be praise, along with the Father and the Holy Spirit, forever and forever." (p. 128)
The above constitute an extraordinary witness to the place of the See of Peter in the Church by an Eastern bishop long before Byzantine Greeks began to waver in their allegiance to the Pope whom many times before they had acknowledged to be the heir of Peter’s Primacy in the Church and as "head of all the churches" of the Catholic communion. They give the lie to all those who claim that pre-Schism Eastern theologians only admitted a vague "primacy of honor" to the visible head of the Church Militant.
http://credo.stormloader.com/Ecumenic/theodor...
Unfortunately he was just another sympathizer who was out of touch with REAL orthodoxy...lol.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469076 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Peter "the stone" WAS NO different from the rest of the apostles...
___
JESUS SAID
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 ==> But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. <==
___
Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luk 22:26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Luk 22:27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
Luk 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
Luk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
~~~~~~`
TRUE TO THE WORDS OF JESUS ABOVE THE (GENTILE) ROMAN CATHOLIC HAS FULFILLED HIS WORD HERE HERE
Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS APPOINTED THE POPE AS A BENEFACTOR
ABOUT PETER
Jesus called him...
Joh_1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him/PETER, he said,
Thou art Simon the son of Jona:
thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation,
A stone.
NOT THE STONE...
None of these verses cancel out Matt. 16. Sorry

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#469077 Aug 6, 2013
There are a few people on this forum who wish to talk about the Lord, hoping to clarify some misunderstandings.

But there are many here who just want to fuss at and scold somebody. A few hope to dismiss God altogether.

I am going to find something better to do with my time.

Blessings to all of you who love the Lord AND PEOPLE. I hope that the rest of you may discover that God is GOOD, and He commands that we "do unto others as we wish them to do to us".

KayMarie

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#469078 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
None other than St. Peter were given the keys. See Isaiah 22.
look at the cross reference.

And {the key of the house of David} will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Revelation 3:7
"To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of {him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David.} What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

sorry, Anthony, but in this cross reference we find that the angel is talking about Jesus Christ, NOT PETER!!!

BOTH VERSES ARE SPEAKING OF JESUS.

Is. had never even heard of Peter back then, but he knew Jesus.

try using some common sense once in awhile!

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

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#469079 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
If he spoke that way and wasn't a heretic pre-schism, why would those who spoke this way post-schism be considered heretics by you easterners?
Ok on a different note.

Just had a Catholic post that a priest invented the BIG BABNG THEORY .

IS THAT TRUE ???

And I'm nit making that up

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#469080 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
None other than St. Peter were given the keys. See Isaiah 22.
IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POPE...

Isa 22:25 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#469081 Aug 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>look at the cross reference.
And {the key of the house of David} will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Revelation 3:7
"To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of {him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David.} What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
sorry, Anthony, but in this cross reference we find that the angel is talking about Jesus Christ, NOT PETER!!!
BOTH VERSES ARE SPEAKING OF JESUS.
Is. had never even heard of Peter back then, but he knew Jesus.
try using some common sense once in awhile!
In Matt 16:13, Jesus asks “Who do the people say that I am?” These are the people of Israel, who do not know that He is their King. Yet, in v.16, Peter confesses that Jesus is the Messiah: the promised successor to King David. Thus, Jesus makes Peter the prime minister of the remnant of Israel which will believe in Him: the Church. Here, we must note that the Greek word for “Church”(“Ekklesia”) means “those who are called out.” Thus, the Church will comprise those members of Israel who will accept Jesus as their Messiah/King. This will be Jesus’ House of David. And, within that House, Peter holds the prime minister’s Keys.

Jesus remains the true Shepherd (in Heaven) while Peter is merely the vicarious shepherd (on earth), Jesus never relinquishes total authority. Rather, He merely delegates it to Peter, His servant. This is exactly the situation in Isaiah 22, where Eliachim holds the Key for King Hezekiah. Yet, Hezekiah still ultimately holds the Key. Thus, we’re not dealing with an “either-or” situation, but a “both-and” situation. And, if you interpret Rev 3:7 any other way, then you are demoting Jesus from King to prime minister

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/debate19.h...
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469082 Aug 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>look at the cross reference.
And {the key of the house of David} will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
Revelation 3:7
"To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of {him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David.} What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
sorry, Anthony, but in this cross reference we find that the angel is talking about Jesus Christ, NOT PETER!!!
BOTH VERSES ARE SPEAKING OF JESUS.
Is. had never even heard of Peter back then, but he knew Jesus.
try using some common sense once in awhile!
Jesus knew St. Peter. He personally gave the keys to him.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#469083 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
None of these verses cancel out Matt. 16. Sorry
i DON'T SEE ANY OF THESE BELOW IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 16...

ROMAN CATHOLIC INVENTIONS
1. Presbyters first called priests by Lucian 2nd c.
2. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
3. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
4. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
5. Wax candles A.D. 320
6. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
7. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
8. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God"
first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
9. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
10. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
11. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
12. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
13. Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels A.D. 600
14. First man to be proclaimed Pope (Boniface III) A.D. 610
15. Kissing the Pope's feet A.D. 709
16. Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepon, King of the Franks A.D. 750
17. Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized A.D. 786
18. Holy water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest A.D.
850
19. Veneration of St. Joseph A.D. 890
20. College of Cardinals begun A.D. 927
21. Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John XIII A.D. 965
22. Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV A.D. 995
23. Fasting on Fridays and Lent A.D. 998
24. The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory 11th
c.
25. Celibacy of priests declared A.D. 1079
26. Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit A.D. 1090
27. The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona A.D. 1184
28. Sale of indulgences A.D. 1190
29. Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard 12th c.
30. Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III A.D. 1215
31. Auricular confession (Rite of reconciliation) of sins to a priest instead of
God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215
32. Adoration of the wafer (called the Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III A.D.
1220
33. Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England A.D. 1251
34. The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by Council of Constance A.D.
1414
35. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D. 1439
36. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent
A.D. 1545
37. Apocryphal books are added to the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1546
38. Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original
Apostolic Creed A.D. 1560
39. Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX
A.D. 1854
40. Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican
Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press and scientific
discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope's
temporal authority over all civil rulers A.D. 1864
41. Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the
Vatican Council A.D. 1870
42. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pius XII A.D. 1950
43. Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" by Pope Paul VI

MATTHEW 16:16-19 SAYS

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

EVIDENTLY THERE IS SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG WITH YOU EYESIGHT..

IF YOU THINK ALL THE ABOVE IS IN MATTHEW 16: 16-19

TRY AS I MIGHT i JUST CANNOT FIND 43 FABLES IN IT.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469084 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POPE...
Isa 22:25 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
No. This is more likely:

20 And when that time comes, I will summon one who is a true servant of mine, Eliacim the son of Helcias, 21 clothe him with thy robe, gird him with thy girdle, entrust him with the power that once was thine; to rule all the citizens of Jerusalem, all Juda’s race, with a father’s care. 22 I will give him the key of David’s house to bear upon his shoulders; none may shut when he opens, none open when he shuts.[5] 23 I will fix him securely in his place, like a peg that is to carry all the royal honour of his father’s house; 24 all the honour of his father’s house will rest upon him, as a man’s goods rest on a peg, the smaller of them, here a cooking-pan, there an instrument of music.

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#469085 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus knew St. Peter. He personally gave the keys to him.
yep and Peter knew Jesus even tho at one time he said that he didn't even know him. lol

anyway, Is. NEVER knew Peter
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469086 Aug 6, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok on a different note.
Just had a Catholic post that a priest invented the BIG BABNG THEORY .
IS THAT TRUE ???
And I'm nit making that up
Never heard that. It is true however that much of what we know about the sciences was discovered by priests and monks.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#469087 Aug 6, 2013
any argument that Anthony has ever presented as ALWAYS BEEN REBUTTED SO EASILY

By "what thus saith the Lord"
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469088 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
There are a few people on this forum who wish to talk about the Lord, hoping to clarify some misunderstandings.
But there are many here who just want to fuss at and scold somebody. A few hope to dismiss God altogether.
I am going to find something better to do with my time.
Blessings to all of you who love the Lord AND PEOPLE. I hope that the rest of you may discover that God is GOOD, and He commands that we "do unto others as we wish them to do to us".
KayMarie
Sorry to see you go Kay, I know we had our run-ins, but I always appreciate your gentleness when dealing with us aggressive and obnoxious men... God bless.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469089 Aug 6, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>yep and Peter knew Jesus even tho at one time he said that he didn't even know him. lol
anyway, Is. NEVER knew Peter
Jesus knew Isaiah. That's why He gave the same manner of authority to St. Peter over His Church.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#469090 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
i DON'T SEE ANY OF THESE BELOW IN MATTHEW CHAPTER 16...
ROMAN CATHOLIC INVENTIONS
1. Presbyters first called priests by Lucian 2nd c.
2. Sacerdotal mass instituted by Cyprian 3rd c.
3. Prayers for the dead A.D. 300
4. Making the sign of the cross A.D. 300
5. Wax candles A.D. 320
6. Veneration of angels, dead saints, and images A.D. 375
7. Mass became a daily ritual A.D. 394
8. Beginning of exaltation of Mary, term "Mother of God"
first applied to her by Council of Ephesus A.D. 431
9. Priests began to wear special clothing A.D. 500
10. Extreme Unction (Rite of Healing) A.D. 526
11. The doctrine of Purgatory by Gregory I A.D. 593
12. Latin used in worship A.D. 600
13. Prayers offered to Mary, dead saints and angels A.D. 600
14. First man to be proclaimed Pope (Boniface III) A.D. 610
15. Kissing the Pope's feet A.D. 709
16. Temporal power of Popes, conferred by Pepon, King of the Franks A.D. 750
17. Veneration of cross, images, relics authorized A.D. 786
18. Holy water, mixed with pinch of salt, chrism, and blessed by a priest A.D.
850
19. Veneration of St. Joseph A.D. 890
20. College of Cardinals begun A.D. 927
21. Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John XIII A.D. 965
22. Canonization of dead saints by Pope John XV A.D. 995
23. Fasting on Fridays and Lent A.D. 998
24. The Mass developed gradually as a sacrifice, attendance made obligatory 11th
c.
25. Celibacy of priests declared A.D. 1079
26. Rosary adopted (pagan) by Peter the Hermit A.D. 1090
27. The Inquisition instituted by Council of Verona A.D. 1184
28. Sale of indulgences A.D. 1190
29. Seven Sacraments, defined by Peter Lombard 12th c.
30. Transubstantiation, defined by Innocent III A.D. 1215
31. Auricular confession (Rite of reconciliation) of sins to a priest instead of
God, instituted by Innocent III A.D. 1215
32. Adoration of the wafer (called the Host), decreed by Pope Honorius III A.D.
1220
33. Scapular invented by Simon Stock of England A.D. 1251
34. The cup forbidden to the laity at communion by Council of Constance A.D.
1414
35. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma by the Council of Florence in A.D. 1439
36. Tradition declared of equal authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent
A.D. 1545
37. Apocryphal books are added to the Bible by the Council of Trent A.D. 1546
38. Creed of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed in place of the original
Apostolic Creed A.D. 1560
39. Immaculate Conception of Mary (not virgin birth) proclaimed by Pope Pius IX
A.D. 1854
40. Syllabus of Errors proclaimed by Pope Pius IX and ratified by the Vatican
Council; condemned freedom of religion, conscience, speech, press and scientific
discoveries which are disapproved by the Roman Church; asserted the Pope's
temporal authority over all civil rulers A.D. 1864
41. Infallibility of the Pope in matters of faith and morals proclaimed by the
Vatican Council A.D. 1870
42. Assumption of Mary proclaimed by Pius XII A.D. 1950
43. Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" by Pope Paul VI
MATTHEW 16:16-19 SAYS
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
EVIDENTLY THERE IS SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG WITH YOU EYESIGHT..
IF YOU THINK ALL THE ABOVE IS IN MATTHEW 16: 16-19
TRY AS I MIGHT i JUST CANNOT FIND 43 FABLES IN IT.
"Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven."

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